FT Driver got a DUI last night

BCFan · 03-08-2008, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by outta hours

“Let He Who Is Without Sin Cast The First Stone”

I gotta agree let's not reaffirm what we all know is wrong ,rather we should be supportive BC

Tony31yrs · 03-08-2008, 05:58 PM

When I was working, we had a number of guys over the years that got DUI's and had to work inside while their license was suspended. One guy never learned and after 3 strikes he was let go. What a waste of 10-15 years of seniority. UPS offers counseling if you need it.

PassYouBy · 03-08-2008, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BCFan

I gotta agree let's not reaffirm what we all know is wrong ,rather we should be supportive BC

In NO WAY would I support someone who could have possibly killed me or my family..Or even "you".

rod · 03-08-2008, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PassYouBy

In NO WAY would I support someone who could have possibly killed me or my family..Or even "you".

Ah - I knew the stone throwers were out there

PassYouBy · 03-08-2008, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rod

Ah - I knew the stone throwers were out there

I throw stones at people who drink and drive! Never have I done this in my lifetime. Probably because I don't drink.(Yet)

I could care less if the guy was drinking..Just shouldn't have been driving.

Rod if this guy had killed your son/wife/daughter/family member, would you NOT cast stones?

I would turn my own mother in if I saw her drinking and driving! <----Thats the truth too!

rod · 03-08-2008, 09:37 PM

I'll bet you would

PassYouBy · 03-08-2008, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rod

I'll bet you would

trplnkl · 03-09-2008, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BCFan

I gotta agree let's not reaffirm what we all know is wrong ,rather we should be supportive BC

In NO WAY would I support someone who could have possibly killed me or my family..Or even "you".

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Originally Posted by PassYouBy

In NO WAY would I support someone who could have possibly killed me or my family..Or even "you".

I'm thinking the support that BC is referring to is not to support the drinking and driving, but to support someone in need of help to solve a personal problem. You may not drink and drive, but I am willing to bet that you have a personal problem of some type that a little support might help you overcome.
As far as someone "who could have possibly killed me or my family.", well that describes anyone on the road, on any given day or night. Drinking or not.

over9five · 03-09-2008, 07:37 AM

Think of the millions of people every day who have a drink or two with their meal at a restaurant. Every one of these people drive home somewhat impaired.

So tell me why it is legal to serve alcohol in a restaurant WHERE YOU KNOW EVERYONE HAS TO DRIVE AFTER????

It's a huge double standard. It is illegal to drink and drive, BUT it is legal to drink in a restaurant where you HAVE to drive after! And don't give me the designated driver line. If you think that happens even 3% of the time, you're dreaming.

barnyard · 03-09-2008, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by trplnkl

I hope YOU never mess up.

But for the grace of God, there go I. I have been sober for almost 20 years. I doubt that I will see myself in that situation.

I have seen 5 relatives killed by drunk drivers in 3 different accidents. Driving is a priviledge not a right and the punishments for driving drunk are not severe enough (the 3 killers of my relatives all served less than 5 years, the 1 that killed 2 served 5.)

TB

dannyboy · 03-09-2008, 09:24 AM

first off, several of you have posted that this could happen to you, kinda like an accident might. There is a difference.

In an accident, things happen to you and your environment that you dont have control over, you just have to react to what is happening. When you drink and drive, you knowingly put people at risk. When you drink, knowing you are going to drive afterwards, to me that is premeditation.

I too have had several family members killed, by those DUI. My wife had two familly members and thier wives that were going out for pizza for the kids that were stopped at a red light and were hit and burned by a DUI running from the law. Sorry, First offence, you lose your car and your licence for a year, manditory rehab. Second time around, 5 years, no time off for good behavior. Third time, you are gone. Too many people killed by those that have been nailed 5+ times.

Back to the original question, the part of the contract that was stated deals with Losing your licence doing things the company told you to do that were against the law. They have no obligation to give you employment if you lose your licence. But usually, if you are 100% honest with them, and it was not on the job, most likely they will allow you to work inside for the time you are without a licence. They also can make rehab a stipulation for that inside job as well.

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upsmanckp · 03-09-2008, 09:38 AM

This is a very volatile thread as it turns out.
No one in their right mind can condone what has been done. We are exposed to people out there driving while impaired everyday. (not just at closing time)
I have professed my opinion on the deed as well.
The issue is the aftermath.
I really appreciate the forum here to glean advice. Thanks for your posts so far.

03-09-2008, 09:39 AM

From FMCSA book:

Subpart D — Driver Disqualifications and Penalties

§383.51 Disqualification of drivers.

For a first conviction or refusal to be tested while operating a non-CMV, a CDL holder must be disqualified from operating a CMV for (1) one year.

For a second conviction or refusal to be tested in a separate incident of any combination of offenses in this Table while operating a non-CMV, a CDL holder must be disqualified from operating a CMV for life.

rod · 03-09-2008, 09:49 AM

dannyboy · 03-09-2008, 09:51 AM

By the way, those two brothers and their wives left behind 7 kids under 12. The guy spent a little over three years in jail. He had more than 10 prior arrests. This was the first time he had run.

All that being said, I know of at least three senior drivers that stop by the store right down the street from the center, buy 3+ beers to drink on the way home. Single cans, kept on ice next to the register.

I figure if they ever hurt someone, the 7-11 should be held responsible as well. After all, single beers on ice? Why else would they sell it that way except for someone to drink while they are driving home?

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rod · 03-09-2008, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dannyboy

All that being said, I know of at least three senior drivers that stop by the store right down the street from the center, buy 3+ beers to drink on the way home. Single cans, kept on ice next to the register.

I figure if they ever hurt someone, the 7-11 should be held responsible as well. After all, single beers on ice? Why else would they sell it that way except for someone to drink while they are driving home?
d

Some states do allow single can sales- some don't. I would have more of a problem with some 16 year old trying to text message and drive at the same time than I would with some Joe Smuck having a cool one for the road after a hot day at UPS. Maybe cell phones should be outlawed for anyone under 21.

now I've done it - I threw a stone at teenage cellphone users

outta hours · 03-09-2008, 11:11 AM

Thought I would throw another log on the fire. So for all you non drinkers who sleep 6 hours or less a night this one's for you.

Facts About Drowsy Driving
The U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration estimates that 100,000 of reported crashes occur as a result of drowsiness, and considers sleep deprived drivers a hazard equal in severity to drunk drivers. Studies show that staying awake for 18 hours and driving produces the same effect as being legally drunk behind the wheel. The greater the sleep deprivation, the closer the correlation to higher levels of intoxication.
Actual statistics on crashes, injuries and fatalities caused by drowsy driving are difficult to calculate as there is no way to test the fatigue level of drivers. The cost, damages, injuries, and fatalities resulting from sleep deprived drivers have been estimated at $12.5 billion.

PassYouBy · 03-09-2008, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by over9five

It is illegal to drink and drive, BUT it is legal to drink in a restaurant where you HAVE to drive after!

If you knew you "HAD" to drive home, shouldn't you NOT drink while at the restaurant? If you did get caught, while driving home wouldn't this be considered D.U.I?

Correct me if I'm wrong.

local804 · 03-09-2008, 11:23 AM

Not everyone drinks and will drive so the rock in the glass house theory can stick it. Way too many times and instances do I hear of or know someone that is dead due dwi or drugs while driving.I am not saying I dont drink, who doesnt like to get plastered every now and then, but lets be serious. Dont quote me on this, but last I heard in NY, a commercial driver with a dwi conviction, will NOT have a cdl anymore. Your drivers license is a privilege not a constitutional right light a gun or speech.

over9five · 03-09-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by PassYouBy

If you knew you "HAD" to drive home, shouldn't you NOT drink while at the restaurant? If you did get caught, while driving home wouldn't this be considered D.U.I?

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Of course it would! That is the point I'm trying to make. If DUI is illegal, then why is it legal to serve alcohol in a restaurant where 98% of your patrons HAVE to drive after drinking? If we were serious about DUI, there would be no alcohol at restaurants (or bars, clubs, etc). OBVIOUSLY, people who drink alcohol at bars, restaurants, etc and drive home afterwards are DUI! Why do we allow this to happen (if we are serious about DUI?)

local804 · 03-09-2008, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by over9five

Think of the millions of people every day who have a drink or two with their meal at a restaurant. Every one of these people drive home somewhat impaired.

So tell me why it is legal to serve alcohol in a restaurant WHERE YOU KNOW EVERYONE HAS TO DRIVE AFTER????

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Not everyone that is in a restaurant has to drive home drunk. Family of 4 out for a bite to eat, 1 driver. District manager at a table with a female employee who he is trying to get drunk, 1 person driving. Ever visit NYC? every single 20 feet is someone getting in a cab because most dont have cars.