Disparaging comments.

[Hillboy]

I once had a supervisor who ran his vulger mouth once too often. I bought a small, concealable recorder that I kept just for him. Didn't take to long for him to mouth off again. I shut his tantrums down without a single word except for "Hey, listen to this."

[brownIEman]

Originally Posted by thelus

well you could go your union rep but it really doesnt go anywhere after that. I find it when you go to the HR gods at UPS, a manager gets really scared to talk to you again

BINGO-

Here is a point many union reps want you to miss. They want your loyalty to be ONLY to them. But you are not only a union member, you are also an employee of UPS. Which means you are the responsibility of the union, AND the HR department. Now, while I have absolutely no beef with filing a grievance and getting the BA involved if you are being truly harassed, you should definitely call the help line or get HR involved. Why? Simple, your BA has no authority whatsoever to do more than annoy your CM and make his life at work a pain. The district HR manager on the other hand, has the authority to get him demoted and or fired, and that in relatively short order given the inclination and proper circumstances.

[UPS Lifer]

Originally Posted by Griff

Keep repeating it, but it won't just magically come true. I've been instructed by my "superiors" many times to defraud a customer. In management's eyes it wasn't bad, it's a numbers game and nothing more. Nobody cares about the person on the other end, you know the person who actually pays for the service. Recently I was ordered to put in NDA stops as weather delay because I didn't get on area until after 1030. I worked as directed, but let my feelings on the issue be known. I filed a grievance over it because I shouldn't have to lie and cheat a customer because my "superior" has numbers to make. You guys wouldn't know integrity if it ran you over in broad daylight.

Here is another take on what probably really happened. After all there are certain folks out here that tend to color the truth (to put it mildly!) Management or retired management has the right to refute crazy accusations!

The above person probably didn't get on area until after 10:30 because of the weather. OH! Doesn't that make it a weather delay???

The reason I say this is the area he works (I use this lightly) in has had nothing but snow for a good month now!!!!!

HEY GRIFF! Just do the job and quit your b*tchen! Oh! I'm sorry, that is probably a disparaging comment!

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by UPS Lifer

Here is another take on what probably really happened. After all there are certain folks out here that tend to color the truth (to put it mildly!) Management or retired management has the right to refute crazy accusations!

The above person probably didn't get on area until after 10:30 because of the weather. OH! Doesn't that make it a weather delay???

The reason I say this is the area he works (I use this lightly) in has had nothing but snow for a good month now!!!!!

HEY GRIFF! Just do the job and quit your b*tchen! Oh! I'm sorry, that is probably a disparaging comment!

now lifer if Griff wants to say he was instructed to committ dishonesty then the next question is did he do it? If he knowlingly believes he was instructed to committ dishonesty and he followed those instructions then griff needs to turn himself into LP for further actions.

[IDoLessWorkThanMost]

Just a quick follow up- CM was moved to another building. Ohhhhh my isn't life just grand sometimes.

[UPS Lifer]

Originally Posted by brownnblue

Remember Tony Dungy leading his Indianapolis Colts to a Super Bowl victory, without ever raising his voice? He stresses being a teacher first. He certainly did not have to yell, curse, & swear to "get the best" out of his players.

I certainly don't claim to be a basketball guru, but perhaps if those coaches you speak of spend more time teaching their players tactical and technical applications, they would be better off.

I wholly agree with this concept but I also believe that you do need respectful discipline and accountability and there is a time and a place for both.

We have a responsibility to teach, train and enlighten the people we work with up and down the ladder. Negative energy in the workplace (or for that matter anywhere) does no one any good at all.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by UPS Lifer

Here is another take on what probably really happened. After all there are certain folks out here that tend to color the truth (to put it mildly!) Management or retired management has the right to refute crazy accusations!

The above person probably didn't get on area until after 10:30 because of the weather. OH! Doesn't that make it a weather delay???

The reason I say this is the area he works (I use this lightly) in has had nothing but snow for a good month now!!!!!

HEY GRIFF! Just do the job and quit your b*tchen! Oh! I'm sorry, that is probably a disparaging comment!

The reason I didn't get out on area was most certainly not due to weather. Why would I have a problem with coding it as such if it was truly because of weather? Thank you for the assumption and your blind arrogant attitude when I out your friends in management. I also enjoy the fact you are now calling me a liar and claiming that I embellish things that I say on this site. It hasn't snowed here in quite a few weeks, thanks for your meteorology report though Einstein.

HEY UPS LIFER! I do the job everyday and I'll call criminals and liars out whenever I feel like it, you can't do a damn thing about it.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by tieguy

now lifer if Griff wants to say he was instructed to committ dishonesty then the next question is did he do it? If he knowlingly believes he was instructed to committ dishonesty and he followed those instructions then griff needs to turn himself into LP for further actions.

I was instructed to do something and I did it, I work as directed, read the contract. I work as directed now and I grieve later, that's how teamster thugs like myself roll.

Take note everyone that UPS Lifer and LIEGUY both completely ignore the prospect or notion that management is dishonest, they shift the blame onto me immediately. I guess we have found the opposite of a teamster goon, two management goons.

[UPS Lifer]

You are so predictable....Thanks for the good laugh! I still have a smile on my face.

I guess Tie was right then. Your boss told you to put weather delay in the DIAD and you did knowing full well that it was a lie. In that case you are just as guilty!

Your credibility is non-existent! Don't try and sugar coat it by saying that you "work as directed". Be a man! Take responsibility for YOUR actions. Nobody was holding a gun to your head to make you lie by putting dishonest info into the DIAD! You did that all by yourself. You pride yourself on taking "the man" to task any time you can. ..... Just not this time???? It seems to me you would have been happy to have your boss discipline you for putting the truth in the DIAD so that you could start another battle.

So why were you afraid to call out "the man" this time??? I don't understand?

[UPS Lifer]

Originally Posted by Griff

I was instructed to do something and I did it, I work as directed, read the contract. I work as directed now and I grieve later, that's how teamster thugs like myself roll.

Take note everyone that UPS Lifer and LIEGUY both completely ignore the prospect or notion that management is dishonest, they shift the blame onto me immediately. I guess we have found the opposite of a teamster goon, two management goons.

So your saying that if your boss tells you to do something wrong, you will go ahead and do something wrong.... no matter what the immediate consequence?

I try and look at things logically. I do understand this may be a stretch for you but I can't understand YOUR logic. Do you really believe that it is OK to complete an action that is wrong, because someone told you to do it?

Do you really believe that gets you off the hook?

I really want to hear what you have to say on this! You are digging yourself into a big hole as it is!!!

[nobber]

Policy book states all employees will treat each other with respect, if continues call you ERM

[Griff]

Originally Posted by UPS Lifer

You are so predictable....Thanks for the good laugh! I still have a smile on my face.

I guess Tie was right then. Your boss told you to put weather delay in the DIAD and you did knowing full well that it was a lie. In that case you are just as guilty!

Your credibility is non-existent! Don't try and sugar coat it by saying that you "work as directed". Be a man! Take responsibility for YOUR actions. Nobody was holding a gun to your head to make you lie by putting dishonest info into the DIAD! You did that all by yourself. You pride yourself on taking "the man" to task any time you can. ..... Just not this time???? It seems to me you would have been happy to have your boss discipline you for putting the truth in the DIAD so that you could start another battle.

So why were you afraid to call out "the man" this time??? I don't understand?

You can make all the text red and bold you want. You're claiming that because I follow the contract, I'm just as guilty as the person who is paid to be a decision maker? Nice logic there, boss. I did call him out if you actually read my post, I strongly disagreed with putting it in like that but I was told to work as directed. This was all documented through DIAD messages because I refuse to use my cellphone for UPS business. I filed a grievance and put in a phone call and that CM no longer works at our building.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by UPS Lifer

So your saying that if your boss tells you to do something wrong, you will go ahead and do something wrong.... no matter what the immediate consequence?

I try and look at things logically. I do understand this may be a stretch for you but I can't understand YOUR logic. Do you really believe that it is OK to complete an action that is wrong, because someone told you to do it?

Do you really believe that gets you off the hook?

I really want to hear what you have to say on this! You are digging yourself into a big hole as it is!!!

There's no gray area since you seem to be searching for it. This issue is clear, I work as directed, it's that simple. I am not paid to be a decision maker for this company, I'm paid to follow instruction. It obviously does get me off the hook, since he is no longer at our center and I am.

[UPS Lifer]

Originally Posted by Griff

You can make all the text red and bold you want. You're claiming that because I follow the contract, I'm just as guilty as the person who is paid to be a decision maker? Nice logic there, boss. I did call him out if you actually read my post, I strongly disagreed with putting it in like that but I was told to work as directed. This was all documented through DIAD messages because I refuse to use my cellphone for UPS business. I filed a grievance and put in a phone call and that CM no longer works at our building.

Don't hide behind the contract here! Are you going to answer my questions or not!

The only thing that I get out of your last statement is that you take no responsibility for doing something wrong. This is what real integrity is all about. If you had integrity you would have put the real reason the air was late and dealt with the manager when you got back to the building. Griff - how can you expect someone to respect you if you are not willing to do the right thing?

Oh... I switched it up to bold and blue... if you didn't notice

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by Griff

I was instructed to do something and I did it, I work as directed, read the contract. I work as directed now and I grieve later, that's how teamster thugs like myself roll.

Griff I'm shocked. Are you admitting here in front of the world that you followed instructions you knew to be dishonest. Go fill out the paperwork. Your integrity has been found wanting.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by UPS Lifer

Don't hide behind the contract here! Are you going to answer my questions or not!

I did answer your question Mr. red bold text. What's so difficult to understand? Want me to hire a deaf and dumb sign language expert to translate for you or what?

[Griff]

Originally Posted by UPS Lifer

Don't hide behind the contract here! Are you going to answer my questions or not!

The only thing that I get out of your last statement is that you take no responsibility for doing something wrong. This is what real integrity is all about. If you had integrity you would have put the real reason the air was late and dealt with the manager when you got back to the building. Griff - how can you expect someone to respect you if you are not willing to do the right thing?

Oh... I switched it up to bold and blue... if you didn't notice

"Real" integrity as opposed to what...fake integrity? I'm not hiding behind anything, this isn't my company, i'm contracted labor. As many deadbeat managers like to say, we are just the hired help. But now magically the onus falls on me, this coming on the heels of lieguy going on a wimpy tirade about unions and bossing the boss. What a joke.

Take your integrity schtick elsewhere. I could careless what either of you clowns think of me since I hate and don't respect either of you. If my father ever comes to me and questions my integrity and character then I'll start worrying.

[UPS Lifer]

Originally Posted by Griff

"Real" integrity as opposed to what...fake integrity? I'm not hiding behind anything, this isn't my company, i'm contracted labor. As many deadbeat managers like to say, we are just the hired help. But now magically the onus falls on me, this coming on the heels of lieguy going on a wimpy tirade about unions and bossing the boss. What a joke.

Take your integrity schtick elsewhere. I could careless what either of you clowns think of me since I hate and don't respect either of you. If my father ever comes to me and questions my integrity and character then I'll start worrying.

I think if your father saw the type of comments you make about hate etc. he would probably be disappointed. I think you know that as well.

You are showing your lack of maturity and character again by using the type of language you used above to try and hurt us. This is what young kids do when they get angry at someone and want to lash out. I am so sorry for you.

ANYWAY - I have my answer - you will not take responsibility for your actions. You will justify what you do by saying that you are hired help and you do not understand the concept of integrity. Thank you for clearing all this up.

[1989]

Originally Posted by Griff

Keep repeating it, but it won't just magically come true. I've been instructed by my "superiors" many times to defraud a customer. In management's eyes it wasn't bad, it's a numbers game and nothing more. Nobody cares about the person on the other end, you know the person who actually pays for the service. Recently I was ordered to put in NDA stops as weather delay because I didn't get on area until after 1030. I worked as directed, but let my feelings on the issue be known. I filed a grievance over it because I shouldn't have to lie and cheat a customer because my "superior" has numbers to make. You guys wouldn't know integrity if it ran you over in broad daylight.

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