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Griff · 03-21-2008, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by UPS Lifer

I like your new Avatar. It fits you perfectly! LOL LOL LOL!

YOU JUST DON'T GET IT!

You are the one who lied to your customers. Not me! I would NEVER have done that. I would not jeopardize my integrity. I know exactly what to do if I ever had a problem with my boss. I would go to the District HR Manager and take other steps if necessary.

As long as you are right you will never lose your job if someone instructs you to do something wrong!

You are the one cutting into your character by the comments you are making!

The only reason I have gone this far with these posts is to get you to try and see that you need to take responsibility for your actions. But the little kid in you just won't get it.

Actually the avatar is fitting, thanks for noticing, it's my nickname in my building. I only wish you stayed long enough at UPS for the chance at seeing why I'm called that. I've actually been identified by someone because of this thread, not like it matters, I have nothing to hide. What you see is what you get.

You're wrong about someone not losing their job as long as they are right. Just ask the mechanic who recently won a settlement from UPS. Not to mention the thousands of teamsters who lose their jobs because of the deep corruption, pocket lining, and backdoor deals that go on between the union and UPS management.

I beat you guys at your own game every single day. What you're doing in this thread is exactly what I've called lieguy out on doing on these forums. You are protecting the company's image at all costs, protecting your fellow managers at all costs and deflecting responsibility and guilt to the hourly employee. In a nutshell, you're working as instructed via your training. I am not a manager, I'm not paid to make decisions. I'm paid to follow instruction and I did exactly that. There's a copy of the contract on this site to the left hand side, I suggest you read it.

BUSINESS AS USUAL.

1989 · 03-21-2008, 07:24 PM

griff,

You only follow the parts of the contract that benefit you my friend. It's a two way street. You act as if everyone is out to get you. Nothing is ever your fault. You must help to enforce the whole contract. That will give you the integrity you seek.

Griff · 03-21-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 1989

griff,

You only follow the parts of the contract that benefit you my friend. It's a two way street. You act as if everyone is out to get you. Nothing is ever your fault. You must help to enforce the whole contract. That will give you the integrity you seek.

Everyone is out to get me, you're one of the many. I help to enforce the contract every day I put on the brown uniform. I'm not here seeking integrity, matter of fact if its true that UPS is a company of integrity -- I don't want integrity, at least not their warped definition of it.

1989 · 03-21-2008, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff

Everyone is out to get me, you're one of the many. I help to enforce the contract every day I put on the brown uniform. I'm not here seeking integrity, matter of fact if its true that UPS is a company of integrity -- I don't want integrity, at least not their warped definition of it.

Then why do you have drivers in their cars before their start times?

Griff · 03-21-2008, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 1989

Then why do you have drivers in their cars before their start times?

Because our management team doesn't give a

. Our local has tried to keep these guys off the cars and it's just in their blood. The same reason why we have guys who skip their lunch and code the entire hour out -- even though we get paid if we don't put the full hour in. I have grieved it I can't tell you how many times and it continues. There is about to be a war in my building and I'm leading the charge.

Don't question where my head is at in regards to the contract. I do not cherry-pick the contract and I'm offended by your accusation. You're speaking to someone who has shown up 4 hours before my start time and replaced managers doing union work. What have you done lately?

pkg-king · 03-21-2008, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff

Because our management team doesn't give a

. Our local has tried to keep these guys off the cars and it's just in their blood. The same reason why we have guys who skip their lunch and code the entire hour out -- even though we get paid if we don't put the full hour in. I have grieved it I can't tell you how many times and it continues. There is about to be a war in my building and I'm leading the charge.

Don't question where my head is at in regards to the contract. I do not cherry-pick the contract and I'm offended by your accusation. You're speaking to someone who has shown up 4 hours before my start time and replaced managers doing union work. What have you done lately?

Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not trying to be 3rd man in here, but I barely have enough energy to do my job correctly, and then find time for the family, those are my 2 priorities on any given day. I can't see where guys like you get their drive to constantly wage a war with the company that you cannot possibly win, you may win a battle here and there, but you'll never win the war. You will expend countless hours in fighting this uphill battle, I'll chose to spend that time with my family. This company is far from perfect, but it is pretty damn good.

mattwtrs · 03-21-2008, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff

Don't question where my head is at in regards to the contract. I do not cherry-pick the contract and I'm offended by your accusation. You're speaking to someone who has shown up 4 hours before my start time and replaced managers doing union work. What have you done lately?

Griff; you are one sick puppy. How did things get so bad in your building? There isn't enough hours in the day to imagine someone coming in 4 hours early! Have a wonderful Easter weekend!

1989 · 03-21-2008, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff

Because our management team doesn't give a

. Our local has tried to keep these guys off the cars and it's just in their blood. The same reason why we have guys who skip their lunch and code the entire hour out -- even though we get paid if we don't put the full hour in. I have grieved it I can't tell you how many times and it continues. There is about to be a war in my building and I'm leading the charge.

Don't question where my head is at in regards to the contract. I do not cherry-pick the contract and I'm offended by your accusation. You're speaking to someone who has shown up 4 hours before my start time and replaced managers doing union work. What have you done lately?

How do you grieve the actions of another teamster? In order to get drivers out of their cars and have them record thier lunch properly, you have to work with management and your ba to enforce it. It doesn't sound like management want's to work with you at all. Being at work 4 hours before your start time may be a dot voilation and a violation or ups policy. If you are in a large bldg. there is a ba for the other shifts, you can't be the enforcer. You maybe out of line sneaking around the building for 4 hours before your start time. Do you have a life?

Griff · 03-21-2008, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 1989

How do you grieve the actions of another teamster? In order to get drivers out of their cars and have them record thier lunch properly, you have to work with management and your ba to enforce it. It doesn't sound like management want's to work with you at all. Being at work 4 hours before your start time may be a dot voilation and a violation or ups policy. If you are in a large bldg. there is a ba for the other shifts, you can't be the enforcer. You maybe out of line sneaking around the building for 4 hours before your start time. Do you have a life?

I don't grieve the actions of another teamster. I grieve the actions or lack thereof of management to prevent people from working for free in the morning. I don't come in 4 hours early every day, it's too taxing. I typically show up exactly at my start-time, not one minute earlier. But the point is I have done it and will continue to do it, whenever I feel like it and you cannot stop me. As for the rest of what you said, you're clueless.

Don't worry about whether I have a life or not. Just stick to playing the trumpet in the UPS management marching band on this website little buddy. I have more heart than you and all your friends combined.

dillweed · 03-22-2008, 04:01 AM

sigh....
work as directed, grieve later UNLESS it is unsafe to work as directed.

Union reps don't want hourlies against hourlies. They will grieve management to straighten the problem out. Right or wrong, it's the way it's done.

Damned arguing, childish sniping at each other and wasted time, both writing and reading this. Anyone making a remark about what someone's father would say is low, very low and ignorant.

Sorry if this offends but also sorry that cyberspace didn't

can this thread to behin with.

IDoLessWorkThanMost · 03-22-2008, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff

I don't grieve the actions of another teamster. I grieve the actions or lack thereof of management to prevent people from working for free in the morning. I don't come in 4 hours early every day, it's too taxing. I typically show up exactly at my start-time, not one minute earlier. But the point is I have done it and will continue to do it, whenever I feel like it and you cannot stop me. As for the rest of what you said, you're clueless.

Don't worry about whether I have a life or not. Just stick to playing the trumpet in the UPS management marching band on this website little buddy. I have more heart than you and all your friends combined.

I bet you have some serious issues Griff.....not to say anyone's perfect here either...but that attitude blows.

Griff · 03-22-2008, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by IDoLessWorkThanMost

I bet you have some serious issues Griff.....not to say anyone's perfect here either...but that attitude blows.

What I said is fact. This thread and forum in general has only solidified my concerns. I have more heart when it comes to pushing labor issues than most that do this job. Everyone that has responded is in complete disbelief that someone would come in with preload and replace supervisors that are working. I'm willing to do whatever it takes to win this game of tug of war. Most people aren't, they remain willfully ignorant and stand on the sidelines. It's a question of heart and desire, if you aren't willing to do what is necessary then you really don't want change after all.

1989 · 03-22-2008, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff

I don't grieve the actions of another teamster. I grieve the actions or lack thereof of management to prevent people from working for free in the morning. I don't come in 4 hours early every day, it's too taxing. I typically show up exactly at my start-time, not one minute earlier. But the point is I have done it and will continue to do it, whenever I feel like it and you cannot stop me. As for the rest of what you said, you're clueless.

Don't worry about whether I have a life or not. Just stick to playing the trumpet in the UPS management marching band on this website little buddy. I have more heart than you and all your friends combined.

That is why you are starting a war. You don't have any answers, you only complain and expect others to fix your problems. As I said before, you need to work with mgmt. and you ba to be sucessful. I still don't see how you can grieve the lack of management non-actions against another employee. To get drivers to stop working off the clock it will take enforcement by the ba, management, and pt sups. Warning letters and suspensions will have to be issued...And in some cases maybe a termination. I'm sure you woudn't be an advocate of that. That would be too harsh of punishment or harrassment in your mind.

Griff · 03-22-2008, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 1989

That is why you are starting a war. You don't have any answers, you only complain and expect others to fix your problems. As I said before, you need to work with mgmt. and you ba to be sucessful. I still don't see how you can grieve the lack of management non-actions against another employee. To get drivers to stop working off the clock it will take enforcement by the ba, management, and pt sups. Warning letters and suspensions will have to be issued...And in some cases maybe a termination. I'm sure you woudn't be an advocate of that. That would be too harsh of punishment or harrassment in your mind.

Go away already, you have no idea what you're talking about. Don't tell me how I think or what I believe is just. If someone wants to lose their job over giving this company free labor everyday, I say good riddance. These people are the problem and have splintered our solidarity in more ways than one. I'm done with working with people, what is going on is illegal (AS IN AGAINST THE LAW, 1989, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT CONCEPT?) and my grievances act as documentation. The issue has been brought to their attention (many times), the unions and management, both have no interest in doing anything about it --- so they will both suffer the consequences. I have two signatures on several grievances, one from the union and one from management, the issue has been brought to the surface and continues to float. Please stop trying to push misinformation about what you can and cannot file over, you can file a grievance over anything you see fit.

UPS Lifer · 03-22-2008, 10:01 AM

Grrrrrrrriff,
The scary part about reading your posts is that you are in front of our customers every day. I am sorry, but I can't believe that you can carry all that anger around with you and not have it affect your attitude with our customers.

Have you ever tried to change that negative energy that you carry with you into a more positive energy flow?

I would suggest you imagine yourself sitting on a nice warm beach with a gentle breeze swaying the palm trees and an exotic rum drink in one hand and a fishing pole in the other.

Maybe that will change the polarity of the energy that you exude!!!

I am not getting my hopes up though! I am sure you will find something wrong with the picture I just painted.

Griff · 03-22-2008, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by UPS Lifer

Grrrrrrrriff,
The scary part about reading your posts is that you are in front of our customers every day. I am sorry, but I can't believe that you can carry all that anger around with you and not have it affect your attitude with our customers.

Have you ever tried to change that negative energy that you carry with you into a more positive energy flow?

I would suggest you imagine yourself sitting on a nice warm beach with a gentle breeze swaying the palm trees and an exotic rum drink in one hand and a fishing pole in the other.

Maybe that will change the polarity of the energy that you exude!!!

I am not getting my hopes up though! I am sure you will find something wrong with the picture I just painted.

I'm professional on area. I can honestly say I've never once bad mouthed UPS to a customer. I realize I'm just a cog in this machine and I know what I get compensated by this company to do. The beefs I have with this company and union are "in house" and will remain there, with the exception of this website obviously. I know what template you have me geared up as in your mind, the guy who throws packages and complains about his job to the customer and you're dead wrong.

1989 · 03-22-2008, 10:33 AM

That's why you don't get anything done. You need to establish the building blocks so the change can happen. A one man crusade will never work. You will never win, and I doubt you will be around in 15 or 20 years.

IDoLessWorkThanMost · 03-22-2008, 10:34 AM

Thank you for the neg rep points, Griff....and also derailing the thread to a degree...but I'm the one who doesn't care....look at the damn name. lol

How many of your posts are pathological, obsessive rants involving being upset with management? Find a hobby or something pal.

dillweed · 03-22-2008, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 1989

That is why you are starting a war. You don't have any answers, you only complain and expect others to fix your problems. As I said before, you need to work with mgmt. and you ba to be sucessful. I still don't see how you can grieve the lack of management non-actions against another employee. To get drivers to stop working off the clock it will take enforcement by the ba, management, and pt sups. Warning letters and suspensions will have to be issued...And in some cases maybe a termination. I'm sure you woudn't be an advocate of that. That would be too harsh of punishment or harrassment in your mind.

For some reason my union reps don't want to file hourly vs hourly. Guess it's the brotherhood..

Anyway, they go through the typical twists and turns like all beaurocratic machines and come up with management blame. Sometimes it seems right other times not.

Griff · 03-22-2008, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by IDoLessWorkThanMost

Thank you for the neg rep points, Griff....and also derailing the thread to a degree...but I'm the one who doesn't care....look at the damn name. lol

How many of your posts are pathological, obsessive rants involving being upset with management? Find a hobby or something pal.

Good for you, go around gloating about doing the bare minimum at UPS and life in general. You really stand for something worth while there "pal", you sure have a lot of heart and desire. I have plenty of hobbies, it's funny that everyone is quick to call my personal life into play on this website. Keep your eye on the prize, collecting your paycheck and taking it in the

at every bus stop along the way. Derailing threads isn't an issue on this website, since people do it on a daily basis with no correction.

UPS Lifer · 03-22-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by IDoLessWorkThanMost

Thank you for the neg rep points, Griff....and also derailing the thread to a degree...but I'm the one who doesn't care....look at the damn name. lol

How many of your posts are pathological, obsessive rants involving being upset with management? Find a hobby or something pal.

I guess I had a hand in derailing the thread also and for that I apologize.

When I first looked at the thread I said to myself here is another management bashing thread but I also believe that making a disparaging remark if it is aimed at the character of the employee is wrong and should not be tolerated.

SOOOO, by airing these remarks we can all learn what not to do and become more conscious of the hurtful and careless comments that are out there.

On the other hand, we should be held accountable for our character and someone may need to question it from time to time. This should always be done behind closed doors.

We have a lot of inexperience in management and at times can be very frustrating to the non-management ranks. We all have a responsibility to help train & coach each other. More good will come if we treat each other with respect and compassion than if we choose to bash each other.

Your management team may not be able to fix every thing the way you want it. It may not be in their authority, but they do it in their power, as you do, to treat you with the respect you deserve.

The only thing I miss from work is the ability to influence & coach on a day to day basis those management folks (and non-management folks) who need some additional training in one area or another.

tieguy · 03-22-2008, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff

Good for you, go around gloating about doing the bare minimum at UPS and life in general. You really stand for something worth while there "pal", you sure have a lot of heart and desire. I have plenty of hobbies, .

lol ,

Lets see plotting against the company.

plotting against the boss.

harrassing the co-workers that don't want to fight management every day.

spying on the sups and cm

anything else?

tieguy · 03-22-2008, 12:28 PM

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Take your integrity schtick elsewhere. I could careless what either of you clowns think of me since I hate and don't respect either of you. If my father ever comes to me and questions my integrity and character then I'll start worrying.[/quote]

Since you bring up dear old dad. Could you get him to join the brown cafe. I want to see if raised you to be so hatefull or whether you developed those traits on your own.

Griff there actually is some sincerity that request. I have never in my life met anyone as hatefull , spitefull and just plain mean spirited as you sound on this board. You talk about management being bad , hell we could be as bad as you describe and still come up second to you in a monsters beauty contest.

Griff · 03-22-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tieguy

Since you bring up dear old dad. Could you get him to join the brown cafe. I want to see if raised you to be so hatefull or whether you developed those traits on your own.

Griff there actually is some sincerity that request. I have never in my life met anyone as hatefull , spitefull and just plain mean spirited as you sound on this board. You talk about management being bad , hell we could be as bad as you describe and still come up second to you in a monsters beauty contest.

Ya whatever lieguy. Whatever you need to tell yourself so that you can sleep sound at night. You guys play games with people's livelihoods. You threaten, cheat, intimidate and misinform people on a daily basis. There was a point where I thought you and UPS lifer stood against bad management, but it's clear that you are both part of it. Your refusal to accept the fact the company does evil is the ultimate fatal flaw in everything both of you say. I'm willing to admit the fault on both sides and I have done so in many posts, you however are blindly led by the ear around town by your boss and the corporate agenda in general.

Donkeyboy · 03-22-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by IDoLessWorkThanMost

Question directed towards anyone; replies are greatly appreciated.

What is the acceptable limit for disparaging, insulting comments by a manager or supervisor towards an hourly employee? If one calls UPS on integrity issues, where is the line drawn when someone feels they were unnecessarily insulted by a management employee.

Any links, comments or examples would be helpful. Thank you.

If the comments were truly offensive, such as vulgarity,dispariging to ones religion, race or sexual orientation. Witnesses? I suggest contacting your district employee relations manager. It is his job to investigate these kind of situations.