ethics in management

[feeder53]

That is very true, good point. It took me years to "see correctly" on a number of issues. I still see things a little diferent in todays environment too...seems to be a constant period of growth....

[Dutch Dawg]

Originally Posted by tieguy

GRiff you need to work on your reading skills. the post you quoted was where I pointed out your cowardly tactic of standing in the back row and provoking others.

Tie, I only chose this quote because it was your most recent one in this thread, not to cite it as an example.

Reading thru this long thread as best I could, I couldn't help but notice a good many of your posts have become cynical, and somewhat more abrasive in nature. Is that indicitave of your current relationship with people while on the job or do you exercise a certain freedom here to express what may be pent up in you?

I realize managers are only people, but they are non the less in leadership roles that should exhibit a higher standard that others should hope to obtain. While many may disagree, some might even say that's an ethical standard. Something that I hope you'll give thought to in the future.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by Dutch Dawg

Tie, I only chose this quote because it was your most recent one in this thread, not to cite it as an example.

Reading thru this long thread as best I could, I couldn't help but notice a good many of your posts have become cynical, and somewhat more abrasive in nature. Is that indicitave of your current relationship with people while on the job or do you exercise a certain freedom here to express what may be pent up in you?

I realize managers are only people, but they are non the less in leadership roles that should exhibit a higher standard that others should hope to obtain. While many may disagree, some might even say that's an ethical standard. Something that I hope you'll give thought to in the future.

Dawg you're question is skillfully posed to give me two options neither which are desirable. Was that your intent?

I stand by my points that define me. I am and have always been honest , brutally so at times. If you are looking for a manager who sugercoats things then you will have to look past me.

I don't believe that violates your higher standard rule in fact I believe it reinforces that rule. But keep in mind I don't know you and I really have to interests in appeasing you or living by your rules.

You have the right to disagree with me and I have the right to be disagreeable...

[joe416]

This is a discription of the UPS that I work at;
Woman and Blacks are discriminated against. Most of the black people are in unload and the management joke that they are too dumb to do anything else.
Anti-diversity-
Sabatoge promotions
Reactive Management-Make temporary changes when corporate visits.
Union Steward tell the little people to handle problems themselves
Seniority discrimination- They hire people and advance them over the seniority workers because they either are friends of someone or dating.
We have one girl who brags that she got a data act position because our plant manager has a crush on her and they are dating. There were no bids on the position and the Union Steward got her the job and promoted her over everyone else.
The Union Steward calls the Manager his son and they both are buddies in lying and manipulation and they tell you upfront "They don't care." like little immature children.
They plant packages on trucks intentionally<Misloads to mess with the drivers or test them to see if they call in misloads all at the customers expense. The they write up the preloader so they can fire or manipulate them. If you get hurt they threaten to fire you if you file a comp claim or if you go on restriction.
They call the area manager a dyke and an embarrassment because she showed up at a UPS Christmas dinner with her girlfriend and they bad mouth her, until she shows up with their bonus checks and they are like children following the ice cream truck.
They lie to everyone about anything and make promises they will never keep.
If you want a position, you have to tell them you don't want it and you'll get it and you have to say you love the job, you really don't want.
It's so true and then again; Almost unbelievable. I am sure Casey is rolling in their graves.
The Obama support is to counteract the discrimination against blacks or some kind of organized unlawful reason.

[wannabeups]

Originally Posted by The-UK-Guy

How do you get in a locked room with no windows ?

after you've given me a chance to talk smack will you show me yours if i show you mine oooh tough guys are such a turn on i get all weak at the knees !

Got point should go for the cage

[Ibt804Hammer]

Originally Posted by 705red

You have your land and your house because of the teamster negioated contract that was bargained on all of our behalf. You are out for only yourself and thats fine, as a steward i have to defend your rights under the contract but as a fellow man i would walk over your dying body if you laid in the street in front of me. I mean that whole heartly!

amen

[Braveheart]

They took my old truck to crush it so I asked a sup to please put the other old beast I had that day into the permanent carwash lineup. I asked politely and professionally without talking about how old or crappy the trucks were. Without provocation or reason the sup smarts off by saying that is not my job and why what do you care it makes it an adventure.

I said maybe you might like driving a different truck everyday but I think having a different truck means different braking, shifting, clutch, E-brake, step height, seat comfort, different acceleration, etc etc etc

I would think that the safety department would agree that giving a driver the same truck daily reduces injuries and accidents.

The sups just hate their job and take it out on us.

[trplnkl]

IT is written in the official UPS POLICY BOOK

We Assign the Same Equipment to Each Employee
Every Day Whenever Possible. We retain flexibility in the
matching of equipment to the requirements of the job. Wherever
practical, the same equipment should be assigned to each
employee every day.
This results in employees feeling more responsible for the
care of equipment and for reporting any special attention
equipment may require. For example, drivers come to know
their UPS vehicles as they do their personal cars and take
the same pride in them.

Sure don't happen wher I come from unless you are....well, never mind.

[Braveheart]

Originally Posted by dannyboy

DS

The hitlers come and go. And when they are gone, you will still be doing the same job you did when they got there.

I always looked at it this way. I work for UPS, not you. I will still be working for UPS when you are gone. THat made the harrassment easier to take.

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I have personally witnessed 6 center managers quit, 10 on roads quit, 3 preload managers quit, 1 reload manager quit, and a few others fired as well. Some of those that quit were forced to quit as well. We have had a good number of others forced to transfer as well too.

I do my job and I do not worry about how fast I go. I do not milk it, but I do not run it off either. Just one stop at a time. I have been lied to and wronged so many times that I will never trust the managers again. I give the newer guys the benefit of the doubt until they wrong me an then it is over.

[adamups2000]

Rofl you guys are funny aruging over this. LOL. I mean come on ask your self.....is ups a really ethnical company.....They told us supervisors to stop cussing at employees yet the full time bosses come over and cuss at us. So its very funny to here them say dont cuss yet they cuss at us lol. So you gotta realize this is just a part of ups life. they discriminate aginist you they humilate you. They make fun of you. They find your weakness and point them out to everyone in the room and then they act like your buddy the next day and say its all good and fun :/ Just gotta learn ups is ups and ups will never change........Expically since the new contract is coming out......fulltimes think people are gonna wanna work for ups at 9.50 with no insurance....There goign to get in there and start unloading boxes in 120 degree heat in summer time and be like SCEW this then theres going to be no one to work for ups they gonna make supervisor swork till they redue the contract and get it fixed.....I probably should bet money this going to hapen

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by adamups2000

....Expically since the new contract is coming out

As I view your post I have feelings that you still have mothers milk on your lips and are therefore not qualified to judge this company that I have spent 25 year plus serving and building up. I apologize if I have not supplied this harsh message in a fashion that was pleasing to you. I understand your need to have reality spoon fed to you in a fashion that is pallatable.

[diesel96]

Originally Posted by tieguy

I stand by my points that define me. I am and have always been honest , brutally so at times. If you are looking for a manager who sugercoats things then you will have to look past me.

As I view your post I have feelings that you still have mothers milk on your lips and are therefore not qualified to judge this company that I have spent 25 year plus serving and building up. I apologize if I have not supplied this harsh message in a fashion that was pleasing to you. I understand your need to have reality spoon fed to you in a fashion that is pallatable.

.

Simon? Simon Cowell? Is that you?.......Seacrest OUT !....LOL

Got to admit...I also was cringing when I read Adamup's supervisory grammatical masterpiece.

[adamups2000]

eeeh I suck at spelling

[scottVA]

Ive been with ups for 23 years as a part timer if you can believe that, it has always been management by intimidation, ethics ha. Since they went public its gotten much worse.

The majority of supervisors are scared every day for there job. No one wants to go delivery those who are in delivery are taking inside jobs so quickly management in our building are trying to stop them from being able to bid on those jobs.

Supervisors are no longer required to start at the bottom and learn the business they are just throw them in the meat grinder and most fail. Supervisors are not trained they can't do the job and they can't train anyone to do it.

When a bean counter in atlanta started deceiding how many delivery routes were to be run the company stated going in the wrong direction and its only going to get worse.

Originally Posted by DS

intimidation vs. encouragement
Almost 20 years at ups has taught me a lot about people.
It seems to me that managers that rule with intimidation as opposed to encouragement,will appear effective to the thier peers,but in reality,the disdain of the employees,will far outweigh the positives .I myself,have had both kinds,and I found being a ups driver can be rewarding if your CM actually listens and cares about your daily problems.
Moreluck mentioned once that one time,she and her hubby,a former CM now retired,were out driving in thier car one day and they came upon a driver that he used to work with.She said the driver looked chagrined and gave the "hang on" sign,he jumped up quick and closed his bulkhead door,smiled and gave the "thumbs up" sign.NOW Now THATS respect.If I was ever to go into management,I would live by the old addage,You can catch more flies with sugar than vinegar.
I guess Im venting because at our ctr we have a new little Hitler,and I dont like him.I wish he'd stay in his bunker.

[DS]

Originally Posted by scottVA

Ive been with ups for 23 years as a part timer if you can believe that, it has always been management by intimidation, ethics ha. Since they went public its gotten much worse.

The majority of supervisors are scared every day for there job. No one wants to go delivery those who are in delivery are taking inside jobs so quickly management in our building are trying to stop them from being able to bid on those jobs.

Supervisors are no longer required to start at the bottom and learn the business they are just throw them in the meat grinder and most fail. Supervisors are not trained they can't do the job and they can't train anyone to do it.

When a bean counter in atlanta started deceiding how many delivery routes were to be run the company stated going in the wrong direction and its only going to get worse.

Ok if you owned ups how would you fix it?

[no more than 9]

I agree my best sups have been these same guys, close to retirement and tell you how it is. No BS!

[bigbrownman]

Supervisors are just like us, at the end of the day all they care about is that they have their jobs. You work as instructed, they work as instructed. The only difference is that as an hourly employee we have the grievance procedures, they don't. If they don't do what their told, they can get fired and replaced with someone else that will do the dirty work. I told one of my bosses I actually like him as a person and would actually hang out with him outside of UPS. But when I'm on the clock, its business as usual, he's the boss I'm the employee...he does his job, I do my job to the best of my ability. All I can say is watch what you say to managers, they are sneaky in documenting information in what they call a Pittsburgh report, don't think that any information they document about you is good either! When I went through my ordeal a little while ago, they had information in their case that was from back when I pre loaded.....that was 11 years ago.

[IWorkAsDirected]

Originally Posted by scottVA

Ive been with ups for 23 years as a part timer if you can believe that, it has always been management by intimidation, ethics ha. Since they went public its gotten much worse.

The majority of supervisors are scared every day for there job. No one wants to go delivery those who are in delivery are taking inside jobs so quickly management in our building are trying to stop them from being able to bid on those jobs.

Supervisors are no longer required to start at the bottom and learn the business they are just throw them in the meat grinder and most fail. Supervisors are not trained they can't do the job and they can't train anyone to do it.

When a bean counter in atlanta started deceiding how many delivery routes were to be run the company stated going in the wrong direction and its only going to get worse.

I see the lack of knowlege and training for preload supervisors as the death of this company. I am experiencing the results of this daily.

[IWorkAsDirected]

Ethics = management sorry does not compute.