Driver Terminated

[sx2700]

@Brownie: I must apologize, I forget that UPS is a HUGE company with thousands of employees and there needs to be rules. I come from a small town and a small center where everyone knows and respects each other (including management). Unfortunately the people that are making decisions for us don't know us and most likely don't care to know us. The good news is the driver will most likely get his job back as there is no proof that he was responsible, could have been any one of 25 people that were there that night. So now I will get down off my soapbox and let the chips fall where they will.

[myback]

you mean you current sup had a rollaway in the past?

[Gman24]

A rollaway falls under article 52 in the Southern States contract. It is considered one of the 7 "CARDINAL SINS". Our union local REP says he hasn't seen ANYONE in our area WIN their job back for a rollaway in several years. Kinda sucks because I know 2 people at my center that have had rollaways in the past and got their job back. Guys this could happen to any of us, that's scary!!!!!

[feeder53]

It is very unfortunate that someone loose their job, but I am responsible for the safe operation of my vehicle and my workplace....I would not try to point the blame on someone else. Lets hope that that driver gets another try at it and he learns his lesson. What if the vehicle rolled away into someones yard and killed a toddler?....I do not think I could live with myself....

[Fnix]

Why dont they just send people back to the Warehouse insetad of firing them? Dont get it.

[trickpony1]

Originally Posted by myback

you mean you current sup had a rollaway in the past?

It's not uncommon for the company to promote PC drivers who have had incidents.
Years ago, my PC supe was a PC driver. He backed into a lady's ornamental brick wall knocking it completely over. He was a supe shortly thereafter.

I knew another PC driver that left his keys in the PC while he ran in real quick to make a delivery. When he came out the PC was gone. When they found it it was half empty. He got fired but hired right back in an administrative position.

"Why does this happen?", you ask. Because no one else wants to fill the vacant position so they railroad the fired PC driver into that position.

Makes ya wonder?

[The-UK-Guy]

Originally Posted by RockyRogue

Its my opinion that unless there was a mechanical failure, this guy should lose his job. I don't care what kind of past history he has. He failed to properly secure his vehicle in the parking state and the consequence should be termination. I'm sure I'll take flak for this.....-Rocky

C'mon Rocky , people make mistakes, we are not perfect. I realise this is a BIG mistake to make but no one deserves to lose their job for 1 mistake , especialy if there were no injurys involved. Im sure this driver will never let it happen again and has learned his lesson.

[xkingx]

Originally Posted by The-UK-Guy

C'mon Rocky , people make mistakes, we are not perfect. I realise this is a BIG mistake to make but no one deserves to lose their job for 1 mistake , especialy if there were no injurys involved. Im sure this driver will never let it happen again and has learned his lesson.

ITA all it takes is one roll away..be it hitting something or one catching it in time b4 the hit...you'll always recheck...

[Service Failure]

Here in San Francisco we had a guy who had two roll aways and was offered a full-time inside job instead of being terminated. I don't think someone should lose their job at UPS for it but to be allowed to be able to keep driving after the incident is a different story. I, personally still think he should be able to drive but if it were to happen twice then there shouldn't be any leniency in the disciplinary action they take. I don't hear it happen too often but here in San Francisco just about everywhere you park is a huge risk for a roll away haha. Anyways first post.

[edd_tv]

we had a driver with a roll away thru a fence. Was gaonna be fired right afterward but then that was turned into a 3 day suspension.

[Bad Gas!]

A few years back our center had four rollaways..yes four!..They were treated differently.The first guy was suspended for a week or so..he had a perfect run and gun help the company record...The second guy was fired (no-one hurt in any of these) and nevr got his job back.He had a terrible, rocky record and they were waiting for an excuse on him....The third guy was a cover driver and was sent back to the hub for 1 year..he is back driving now...#4 driver got his job back ..I believe it went to panel....Don't let your job rollaway...2 of these were automatics......On another note, I've had that truck lurching due to a old park brake-pretty scary!

[DS]

Originally Posted by Service Failure

here in San Francisco just about everywhere you park is a huge risk for a roll away haha. Anyways first post.

I BET!...I was there once and if I was a kid I wouldn't want a paper route there!Welcome to the bc SF,great first post!

[RockyRogue]

Originally Posted by The-UK-Guy

C'mon Rocky , people make mistakes, we are not perfect. I realise this is a BIG mistake to make but no one deserves to lose their job for 1 mistake , especialy if there were no injurys involved. Im sure this driver will never let it happen again and has learned his lesson.

True, we are human. However, as far as I'm concerned THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR LETTING A PACKAGE CAR ROLL!!! As I said, if there was a mechanical failure, I'd be singing a very different tune. In fact....I'd be the first one to walk up to that driver the day he came back, shake his hand and say, "I'm sorry. We screwed up." And that.....you won't see 99% of managers do.

Originally Posted by xkingx

ITA all it takes is one roll away..be it hitting something or one catching it in time b4 the hit...you'll always recheck...

I had one vehicle--a van--start rolling on me when I was on a learner's permit. I hadn't shifted the van into park before removing my foot from the brake. It rolled about 10 feet with my mother clutching the door handle AND holding my year old brother . Never did that again. And every time from that point forward, I made sure the car was in park and wasn't going BUDGE before I took my foot off the brakes! -Rocky

[The-UK-Guy]

Originally Posted by RockyRogue

True, we are human. However, as far as I'm concerned THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR LETTING A PACKAGE CAR ROLL!!! As I said, if there was a mechanical failure, I'd be singing a very different tune. In fact....I'd be the first one to walk up to that driver the day he came back, shake his hand and say, "I'm sorry. We screwed up." And that.....you won't see 99% of managers do.



I had one vehicle--a van--start rolling on me when I was on a learner's permit. I hadn't shifted the van into park before removing my foot from the brake. It rolled about 10 feet with my mother clutching the door handle AND holding my year old brother . Never did that again. And every time from that point forward, I made sure the car was in park and wasn't going BUDGE before I took my foot off the brakes! -Rocky

I can think of many excuses your car may roll away, for one , how about you dropped your can of budweiser out the door while backing up a ramp and it was the last of the 12 pack you had before lunch. there would be no time to put the brake on you would HAVE to jump out of the truck immediatly so you didnt spill any of the amber nectar.

[RockyRogue]

Originally Posted by The-UK-Guy

I can think of many excuses your car may roll away, for one , how about you dropped your can of budweiser out the door while backing up a ramp and it was the last of the 12 pack you had before lunch. there would be no time to put the brake on you would HAVE to jump out of the truck immediatly so you didnt spill any of the amber nectar.

LOL, UK-Guy. That might be a legit excuse....IF I lived in the rural South (which I don't) and drink and drive (which I'll kill somebody for doing if they hurt one of my loved ones while driving drunk). And I've NEVER abandoned my seat. If I'm responsible for the car, I don't leave it til its secure. I made that mistake once. I won't make it again. And for your information, I was 17 at the time of the incident I described above, had NEVER had a drink AND had been up for 15 hours straight, driving for about 7 of those hours. No....it was a case of driver fatigue and inexperience. -Rocky

[soberups]

I have had one start to roll on me---it was an old 600 that had no compression left in the motor, and when I was getting out my knee bumped the spring-loaded parking brake and released it. I had it in gear but with no compression it started rolling anyway. Fortunately I was still in the car and was able to secure it.

[probellringer]

i dont know...maybe its me with the "new school" mentality-but--if you look at all the new trucks with auto trannys-dont think they got this problem-we really need to start putting $ toward new trucks-im not saying a/c,navigation ,sunroof,bose stereo,sat.radio.....BUT how bout updating the fleet alittle more frequently-i bet the insurance money we would save by having airbags and real seatbelts would offset it---....but theres nothing like rolling up to a resi---people come running out like kids to mr.softee----they hear our trucks miles away....it is so funny-the sound of the exhaust is unique....anyway....what was i saying?

[sx2700]

Originally Posted by soberups

I have had one start to roll on me---it was an old 600 that had no compression left in the motor, and when I was getting out my knee bumped the spring-loaded parking brake and released it. I had it in gear but with no compression it started rolling anyway. Fortunately I was still in the car and was able to secure it.

An excellent point. I bet very few on here can deny that happening to them. From what I've seen in my center 75% of the package cars on the road should have been sent to the crusher many moons ago.

[kene1024]

Originally Posted by sx2700

An excellent point. I bet very few on here can deny that happening to them. From what I've seen in my center 75% of the package cars on the road should have been sent to the crusher many moons ago.

I have joked with my driver for a year about hearing him coming no matter where in the house I am....just by the sound of his brakes. The screeching metal-on-metal sound doesn't seem right, but he says the mechanic tells him the truck is OK.

[Senor Forum]

SX2700 - you aren't in Austin by any chance, are you?

[sx2700]

Originally Posted by Senor Forum

SX2700 - you aren't in Austin by any chance, are you?

No, but I'd bet a $100 bill that it is standard UPS operating procedure.

Those old Ford 223 straight 6's had a whine that only dogs could hear. They would start running for the road when you were still half a mile away. The early 70's p600 is still one of the greatest cars ever. Would plow their own road in the snow. Wooden bulkhead doors don't rattle. And if you had a good mechanic, you could get an admittedly hair raising 75-80 MPH.