Inflation

[toonertoo]

Originally Posted by Griff

There was plenty of innuendo in this thread referencing blacks specifically. I'm not playing any card, I'm a white male and I have no cards to play. At least have the testicular fortitude to stand by what you believe and probably say behind closed doors.

You are wrong, There are many of us who feel the same, people I work with, also, we discuss it all the time. Black and white, young and older. I have the testicular fortitude, as I am right and the system is wrong. And I dont say it behind closed doors, I say it when I see it.

[UpstateNYUPSer]

I have the privilege of delivering to our local DSS office (welfare) and some of the things that I see are simply amazing. The sense of entitlement amongst these people astounds me. What kills me is when they look at me as if I am crazy for working my butt off. I just think to myself, "I work, so you don't have to!", and go about my day.

My daughter used to go to Catholic school and they used to let us work off part of our tuition by volunteering at bingo. I was always amazed at how much busier bingo was 1st of the month.

I hope that wasn't too racial (sarcasm fully intended).

[browniehound]

Originally Posted by moreluck

Maybe not, but they buy some groceries for a friend and the friend pays them cash and then they buy cigs. It's been done for years.

Moreluck,
If they were caught doing this, this person's benefits should immediately be terminated and the person giving the cash for groceries should be fined, HEAVILY.

[browniehound]

Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

I have the privilege of delivering to our local DSS office (welfare) and some of the things that I see are simply amazing. The sense of entitlement amongst these people astounds me. What kills me is when they look at me as if I am crazy for working my butt off. I just think to myself, "I work, so you don't have to!", and go about my day.

My daughter used to go to Catholic school and they used to let us work off part of our tuition by volunteering at bingo. I was always amazed at how much busier bingo was 1st of the month.

I hope that wasn't too racial (sarcasm fully intended).

I almost want to say I respect organized crime more than these people. At least the are "earning" their money, LOL.

Seriously though these are the most loathesome people on the planet. I'm not talking about the ones that really need it. These people have my sympathy. But at the same time, I believe there are far too many people recieving them.

This is America where anybody can get some type of job. It may only be paying minimum wage, but it would be a job to lessen the burden of the taxpayers handouts. I'd feel a lot better if these people worked a minimum wage type job and then let welfare help them make ends meet.

[filthpig]

Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

I have the privilege of delivering to our local DSS office (welfare) and some of the things that I see are simply amazing. The sense of entitlement amongst these people astounds me. What kills me is when they look at me as if I am crazy for working my butt off. I just think to myself, "I work, so you don't have to!", and go about my day.

My daughter used to go to Catholic school and they used to let us work off part of our tuition by volunteering at bingo. I was always amazed at how much busier bingo was 1st of the month.

I hope that wasn't too racial (sarcasm fully intended).

You're not a racist. You're a realist.

[filthpig]

Originally Posted by Griff

Whole lot of racist garbage being spewed in this thread. Amazing how many people on this board continue to supply more fuel for the truck driver/blue collar stereotype. The average welfare child is white, has one sibling and an unmarried mother. Yes, that's right more white people are on welfare than black.

Yes, but a greater RATIO of blacks are on welfare than any other group. I'm pretty sure this is my fault. After all, I'm a white heterosexual Christian male who works every day (since I was 16) and pays his taxes and loves his wife and kids. Call me a racist if you want. I don't care. I consider myself a REALIST.

[IDoLessWorkThanMost]

Originally Posted by LV_TSC

My favorite thing about living in Chicago (not that this has anything to do with the city itself but I always saw it there) is when I passed the section 8 housing in this one suburban area... I counted 3 or 4 escalades at any given time upon passing.
My ex and I always commented on that.

The same man and woman always come into the UPS counter where I'm at to pick up loads of Nike shoes on occasion. They'll order like 8 or 10 pairs, having them shipped INTL air from China or whatever their overseas center is. I would imagine the sneakers and whatever shipping charges end up very big money.

They're from the housing projects not too far away and also the woman always drives over in a 2007 Lexus SUV and it's not a stripped down one. I would imagine this car is valued at more than some peoples homes.

Every time I see these types of people I just sit and wonder, maybe I'm doing things wrong here!

[The-UK-Guy]

Originally Posted by blue efficacy

You're blaming the poor when you should be blaming the rich. They're the ones destroying the middle class. The poor are struggling to just get by, while the rich are destroying good american jobs and lining their pockets with billions of dollars.

If it wasn't for the Teamsters, many of you unskilled truck drivers could just as easily end up unemployed and on food stamps. Sure lots of people on welfare are lazy and milking the system. But a lot of them aren't. It's unfair to generalize that these people are ALL scum of the earth looking for a handout. Especially in the current economy, many of these people are hard workers who are having some tough times through no fault of their own.

But go ahead and be ignorant, if it makes you feel better to think the poor people are using their TREMENDOUS INFLUENCE (in case you can't tell that's sarcasm) to dismantle the middle class, rather than the modern day robber barons profiting off of sending jobs overseas, you go right ahead.

This unskilled truck driver would NOT be unemployed and on foodstamps ever, because I would get my fat ass up every morning until I found another job.

[The-UK-Guy]

Originally Posted by Griff

There was plenty of innuendo in this thread referencing blacks specifically. I'm not playing any card, I'm a white male and I have no cards to play. At least have the testicular fortitude to stand by what you believe and probably say behind closed doors.

No one ever mentioned blacks. the reason you came to that conclusion is because you, just like everyone else posting on this thread can see whats going on around them. I say what I see and I'll say it in the open. Everyone knows it but wants to be politicly correct. I`m not a racist but how can you deny that its mostly african americans screwing the system.

[The-UK-Guy]

lol just kidding

[toonertoo]

Originally Posted by browniehound

Moreluck,
If they were caught doing this, this person's benefits should immediately be terminated and the person giving the cash for groceries should be fined, HEAVILY.

The problem is no one is watching. And those of us that do just have to eat it, as the office is so busy handing out more, they don't monitor it as they should. And people should learn to cook, and use the stamps wisely. Not for fast foods, to fill them up.

[ImpactedTSG]

Originally Posted by toonertoo

HA, I found a fellow Quinn and Rose fan!!, (mostly Quinn)

I've listened to him for the past 8 or so years. I can still remember thinking what would he talk about if Bush was elected in 2000. I think he had no shortage of material.

[john346]

Another Band-Aid or fix the foundation?
We, our country, system, is so broken that we tend to put the quick temporary fix on it again & again. Stop over taxing corporations for employing Americans, that's why they take the factories away.
Stop giving other countries money when we have to borrow it to give. Implace a working welfare system, where the only places you can use your stamps / cards are stores that have a workable system of checks that eventually make it incerasingly difficult to merely get a hand-out without some form of work. Even if it means mopping & waxing the floors at the same facility.
Make prison a crappy place to go again. Close our borders to importing. Make pollsters & PAC's (political action commities), illegal, let's see a politician say what they think for a change instead of following what the polls feel they need to be strong on, or worry about pissing off the PAC that has 25k in voting members. Do away with the archaic political parties, we have a news web that can reach world-wide in merely minutes. There exists no need for anyone to know nothing about a candidate, but if they are a Democrat, then that's the one for me, mentality is way out of date.
Let's face it, at least for me every four years we rarely get to choose who's best for the job, I generally try to vote for who I feel will screw things up the least during their term, Democrat or Republician. We need to return to a strong America, for the sake of America.
Oh yea, one more thing, let's take the hog tie's off of our troops. We have the ability to have the strongest, toughest military in the world, yet we won't let them do the job they have been trained to do. Make it a scary thing to anger us enough to open the kennel doors & unleash these bad dogs. Maybe, just maybe, we could make someone else the joke that we have become.

[ImpactedTSG]

Originally Posted by john346

Another Band-Aid or fix the foundation?
We, our country, system, is so broken that we tend to put the quick temporary fix on it again & again. Stop over taxing corporations for employing Americans, that's why they take the factories away.
Stop giving other countries money when we have to borrow it to give. Implace a working welfare system, where the only places you can use your stamps / cards are stores that have a workable system of checks that eventually make it incerasingly difficult to merely get a hand-out without some form of work. Even if it means mopping & waxing the floors at the same facility.
Make prison a crappy place to go again. Close our borders to importing. Make pollsters & PAC's (political action commities), illegal, let's see a politician say what they think for a change instead of following what the polls feel they need to be strong on, or worry about pissing off the PAC that has 25k in voting members. Do away with the archaic political parties, we have a news web that can reach world-wide in merely minutes. There exists no need for anyone to know nothing about a candidate, but if they are a Democrat, then that's the one for me, mentality is way out of date.
Let's face it, at least for me every four years we rarely get to choose who's best for the job, I generally try to vote for who I feel will screw things up the least during their term, Democrat or Republician. We need to return to a strong America, for the sake of America.
Oh yea, one more thing, let's take the hog tie's off of our troops. We have the ability to have the strongest, toughest military in the world, yet we won't let them do the job they have been trained to do. Make it a scary thing to anger us enough to open the kennel doors & unleash these bad dogs. Maybe, just maybe, we could make someone else the joke that we have become.

100% agree with everything in that post.

[mrvngrdns]

Originally Posted by john346

Another Band-Aid or fix the foundation?
We, our country, system, is so broken that we tend to put the quick temporary fix on it again & again. Stop over taxing corporations for employing Americans, that's why they take the factories away.
Stop giving other countries money when we have to borrow it to give. Implace a working welfare system, where the only places you can use your stamps / cards are stores that have a workable system of checks that eventually make it incerasingly difficult to merely get a hand-out without some form of work. Even if it means mopping & waxing the floors at the same facility.
Make prison a crappy place to go again. Close our borders to importing. Make pollsters & PAC's (political action commities), illegal, let's see a politician say what they think for a change instead of following what the polls feel they need to be strong on, or worry about pissing off the PAC that has 25k in voting members. Do away with the archaic political parties, we have a news web that can reach world-wide in merely minutes. There exists no need for anyone to know nothing about a candidate, but if they are a Democrat, then that's the one for me, mentality is way out of date.
Let's face it, at least for me every four years we rarely get to choose who's best for the job, I generally try to vote for who I feel will screw things up the least during their term, Democrat or Republician. We need to return to a strong America, for the sake of America.
Oh yea, one more thing, let's take the hog tie's off of our troops. We have the ability to have the strongest, toughest military in the world, yet we won't let them do the job they have been trained to do. Make it a scary thing to anger us enough to open the kennel doors & unleash these bad dogs. Maybe, just maybe, we could make someone else the joke that we have become.

Good thoughtful post, and I agree with most of what you have to say. Especially, the mind-set that goes into political voting, what I believe is that although there are differences in the two parties, they inherently are the same, they both want to get reelected, and prefer to make things better temporarily in order to get the votes, rather than suffer some temporary pain to make things better.

What I disagree with is closing our borders to trade. We simply live in a different (global) world now, and to refuse to participate, I'm convinced, would ultimately result in our demise. Refusing to trade with other countries would reduce our nation to "second class" status. We're already in debt up to our necks, the dollar would no longer be the worlds reserve currency, and hyper-inflation would result. Then, we no longer could fund our military, and we know how that would end up.

As for our military, I agree, we should support our troops, but fighting terrorists, who blend in with a largely supporting population, is more like a police action, than a military one. And it's tough, and nobody, including the US, has come up with a good answer.

[browniehound]

Originally Posted by toonertoo

The problem is no one is watching. And those of us that do just have to eat it, as the office is so busy handing out more, they don't monitor it as they should. And people should learn to cook, and use the stamps wisely. Not for fast foods, to fill them up.

I agree Tonner. I can get by on about 50-70 bucks a week in groceries (for myself). If I really needed to, I could get it close to 50 every week. I have oatmeal for breakfast, I can 2 for $4 and the 20 packets will last 4 weeks. I have tuna sandwich for lunch at 99 cents a can with an apple and yo-crunch yogart. Then I spend the rest on dinners for the week. Usually pasta and some meats to go with it. I get chips and pretzels for snacks also.

I'm sorry I just discussed my entire grocery list with the forum, but I was actually trying to make a point. The point being with a little planning you can eat on short money, with the thought that people on food stamps eating filet mignon making me sick.

[Average at Best]

Originally Posted by john346

Let's face it, at least for me every four years we rarely get to choose who's best for the job, I generally try to vote for who I feel will screw things up the least during their term, Democrat or Republician.

This is sad, but true. Every election that I have voted in has been this type of rhetoric - I'll vote for the lesser of two evils because no one has stood up and inspired me to do differently.

The election system is broken. You have two parties that are polarized in one direction or the other. Conservative or liberal. Pro-life or pro-choice. Handouts for the lazy destitute or handouts for billion dollar corporations. Unfortunately, the majority of Americans don't fall in such extreme catagories. I know I don't.

The other problem I have is how the politicians and the media (ALL media, not just Fox News or CNN) treat me like a drooling moron. The media gets hung up on insignificant points and blows them out of proportion. The politicians mince words but never tell me EXACTLY WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO. They give general feel-good crap - are you going to pull us out of Iraq? How are you going to do it without further destabilitizing the region? Are you going to keep us in Iraq? If so, how are you going to measure progress and what is your timetable? What about health care? If you are going to give universal health care, how is it going to be funded? Etc. etc.

I want real answers, and I'd like to think that my fellow Americans do too. The sad fact is, however, that I know far too many people who can tell you absolutely nothing about the current state of affairs in our country aside from what is going on with Britney Spears and the latest updates on Brad Pitts baby.

[westsideworma]

Originally Posted by upsgrunt

And then...... They insist that an market employee push their carts out to their Cadilac Escalade and load up their purchase for them.

I've seen that one too many times around here..pathetic