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Tony31yrs · 05-12-2008, 07:46 PM

We were happy when the union got rid of the bonus. As soon as it's called a bonus, the IRS takes 1/3 for taxes.

myback · 05-12-2008, 10:43 PM

your not far enough i can still smell your festering, rotten,

:ce nsored:-hole, breath. are u still here, go be gone with you, and have a nice day.

myback · 05-12-2008, 10:45 PM

you are evil

UpstateNYUPSer · 05-13-2008, 03:25 AM

Mr. Sherman, I am slowly beginning to grasp the severity of your plight and, as such, apologize for my earlier post. I would like to help you and urge my fellow BCers to do so as well. If you will provide us with your mailing address I will forward a $25 gift certificate to the UPS Racing Store to you at my earliest convenience and, again, I apologize for my earlier post as I had not yet grasped the severity of your plight.

MemphisFedexer · 05-13-2008, 04:06 AM

I would glady give the gentleman a 1000k bonus if he would give me the the nice pension that the Teamsters provide for him assuming he retired and didn't get fired.

UpstateNYUPSer · 05-13-2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MemphisFedexer

I would glady give the gentleman a 1000k bonus if he would give me the the nice pension that the Teamsters provide for him assuming he retired and didn't get fired.

The Teamsters may "provide" a "nice pension" but you damn well better believe that each and every one on this forum earns every penny of it and then some. The last time I checked, employment at FedEx was not indentured servitude nor do they put a ball and chain on your ankle so anytime you want to try out for the "big leagues" put in your application but be ready to work like you never worked before.

MemphisFedexer · 05-13-2008, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

The Teamsters may "provide" a "nice pension" but you damn well better believe that each and every one on this forum earns every penny of it and then some. The last time I checked, employment at FedEx was not indentured servitude nor do they put a ball and chain on your ankle so anytime you want to try out for the "big leagues" put in your application but be ready to work like you never worked before.

I am under no illusions of the differences in work between our two companies. I have no desire to come to the brown team. I have a huge amount of respect for you guys and what you do. Sounded to me like the original poster was dissing all of you guys and every teamster local but his. I do enjoy this site very much and I see more similarities between our jobs than I used to, but I wouldn't say that our drivers are in you guys' league.

UpstateNYUPSer · 05-13-2008, 03:37 PM

You are right, the original poster was putting it to us for some unknown reason. I just couldn't believe that his very first post on this forum was so negative.

rod · 05-13-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

You are right, the original poster was putting it to us for some unknown reason. I just couldn't believe that his very first post on this forum was so negative.

and you are the "King" of negitive- or should I say "Queen"?

helenofcalifornia · 05-13-2008, 07:18 PM

Back off, boys, while the conversation is still civil.

rod · 05-13-2008, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by helenofcalifornia

Back off, boys, while the conversation is still civil.

Just trying to have a little fun with old "Uptight" -- he says he don't pay any attention to me anyway (like I believe that)

05-13-2008, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by brown67

. . . The UNION didn't want the bonus (Christmas or signing), because they wanted the money put into our hourly wages so they could get more dues money. . .

Brown67,

Whenever Contract renewal time rolls around, some people always want a bonus, while others of us say that we would all be better off if the money was instead a raise permanently added to our base wage. This always leads to someone saying that the Teamsters want the money added to the base wage so they can get more dues out of us. At that point the discussion ends and everyone votes by secret ballot.

I'd just like everyone to know that while it's true that a raise in base wages triggers a raise in dues, the Teamsters, in fact, can raise your dues anytime they want, as much as they want. Not all that long ago, dues were only twice your hourly rate. Then the Teamsters raised it to two-and-a-half times your hourly rate. Then, still not satisfied, they raised it to three times your hourly rate. This is all in addition to the automatic dues increases that take place anytime you get a raise. These increases in the IBT Constitution's dues formula are minimums, meaning any Local is free to raise dues even further, and to levy additional fees as well, if they can get away with it. They can also use a different formula that causes some lower wage people to pay an even higher percentage rate than the rest of the barganing unit. This is all perfectly legal, because, like concessionary contracts, (some) people actually vote for them, and impose them on the rest of us. My point is the Teamsters have the power to raise your dues as much as they want, whenever they want, one way or the other, just so long as it doesn't trigger an all out membership revolt. Which it never seems to do.

05-17-2008, 01:20 AM

To clarify: The IBT Constitution requires a minimum dues rate of two-and-one-half times your hourly wage rate in the private sector. If you're paying three times, like I am, or even more, that would be the result of your Local, not the International. (I pay $84 per month.)

UpstateNYUPSer · 05-19-2008, 03:42 PM

I also pay 3 times hourly per month ($85) and write the $1,000 off of my taxes each year. I personally feel that 3 times hourly is too much--2 or even 2 1/2 would be more fair.

rod · 05-19-2008, 05:26 PM

If you have any friends working in the trades (carpenter, plumber, electrician) ask them what their monthly dues are. I think you will find the Teamsters are one of the cheaper unions to belong to.

feeder53 · 05-20-2008, 06:15 AM

I too pay 3x the hourly, and I only work part time. I have talked about this with my local. There does not seem to be an hourly rate for P/T. I hold my union card and can drive for other union freight operations.

tieguy · 05-20-2008, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by JonFrum

Brown67,

Whenever Contract renewal time rolls around, some people always want a bonus, while others of us say that we would all be better off if the money was instead a raise permanently added to our base wage. This always leads to someone saying that the Teamsters want the money added to the base wage so they can get more dues out of us. At that point the discussion ends and everyone votes by secret ballot.

I'd just like everyone to know that while it's true that a raise in base wages triggers a raise in dues, the Teamsters, in fact, can raise your dues anytime they want, as much as they want. Not all that long ago, dues were only twice your hourly rate. Then the Teamsters raised it to two-and-a-half times your hourly rate. Then, still not satisfied, they raised it to three times your hourly rate. This is all in addition to the automatic dues increases that take place anytime you get a raise. These increases in the IBT Constitution's dues formula are minimums, meaning any Local is free to raise dues even further, and to levy additional fees as well, if they can get away with it. They can also use a different formula that causes some lower wage people to pay an even higher percentage rate than the rest of the barganing unit. This is all perfectly legal, because, like concessionary contracts, (some) people actually vote for them, and impose them on the rest of us. My point is the Teamsters have the power to raise your dues as much as they want, whenever they want, one way or the other, just so long as it doesn't trigger an all out membership revolt. Which it never seems to do.

Does not support or negate the original point. Obvioulsly raising union dues is a sensitive issue and the union would like to piggy back an increase of revenue via raising the wage rate. This method is least offensive to the membership.

Jon glad to see you're paying so much more in dues and just proves my point the more you give the more they ask for.

I hope they are using all that extra dues revenue to fix your pension but I doubt it.

upsmanckp · 05-21-2008, 02:26 PM

B' Bye

scratch · 05-21-2008, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony31yrs

We were happy when the union got rid of the bonus. As soon as it's called a bonus, the IRS takes 1/3 for taxes.

Those bonuses were over twenty years ago, not sure of the exact year they ended. That "thousand dollars" was more like $660 when the check was cut and Uncle Sam got his "bonus".

UpstateNYUPSer · 05-21-2008, 05:45 PM

If memory serves, wasn't there talk of offering us a one-time profit sharing payment as part of the 1997 contract negotiations? I seem to recall that full-timers would have received checks of $6-7K. Does anyone else recall this and, if so, are my figures accurate?