Pardon me while I go puke

[Griff]

[quote=tieguy;340901][quote=soberups;340878]

Originally Posted by tieguy

your in a different arena , that response was directed to griff who is trying to deny the switch to automatics had anything to do with safety.

Even if safety did play a part, it wasn't a very big one and most certainly was an afterthought. This is UPS, a buck comes before safety every time. You know it and I know it, stop fooling yourself. When speaking with those 3 people I never once heard anything safety related, it's all about efficiency and saving money. Hey, I'll be the first one to admit that saving money is great for the company, just stop parading around town claiming it was all in the name of safety.

[tieguy]

[quote=Griff;341088][quote=tieguy;340901]

Originally Posted by soberups

Even if safety did play a part, it wasn't a very big one and most certainly was an afterthought. This is UPS, a buck comes before safety every time. You know it and I know it, stop fooling yourself. When speaking with those 3 people I never once heard anything safety related, it's all about efficiency and saving money. Hey, I'll be the first one to admit that saving money is great for the company, just stop parading around town claiming it was all in the name of safety.

notice griffs response. he states that even if he is wrong he thinks he was still right. Griff does not understand that the evil greedy company he despises but works for may actually have made safety improvements. This is very confusing and disruptive to his goon training and will require reprogramming down at the hall.

[Griff]

[quote=tieguy;341118][quote=Griff;341088]

Originally Posted by tieguy

notice griffs response. he states that even if he is wrong he thinks he was still right. Griff does not understand that the evil greedy company he despises but works for may actually have made safety improvements. This is very confusing and disruptive to his goon training and will require reprogramming down at the hall.

Yes, please notice my response and take the time to actually read it with an unbiased mind which this person is incapable of doing.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by Griff

Didn't you understand his post? He denounced my post because apparently mechanics have no idea what they are talking about! He claims a janitor knows as much about trucks as a mechanic does. I'm glad he's in management, we need bright minds like this propelling the company forward.

poor griff. He does not understand that the design of package cars does not necessarily filter down to the grass roots.

Hey griff using your example a mechanic and two IE guys told me you go home and have sex with billy goats. Guess that makes it the truth huh bud?

[IDoLessWorkThanMost]

he he ...it's funny how tie and griff always get into it...like a married couple...would love to see them working the same building

[Griff]

Originally Posted by tieguy

poor griff. He does not understand that the design of package cars does not necessarily filter down to the grass roots.

Hey griff using your example a mechanic and two IE guys told me you go home and have sex with billy goats. Guess that makes it the truth huh bud?

It's more than you're bringing to the table at this point. Those 3 people know more about the issue than you do. Care to prove me wrong? Throw some hard numbers out here that you've been shown due to your high ranking status within the company. End the discussion right here and now, tell us all about how many injuries and accidents this move will reduce per year. Let me guess, classified information???

This guy is so biased and anti-union, he probably actually believes that the company would have put power-steering in new trucks without the contract demanding it. What a sad little man he is.

[soberups]

Originally Posted by tieguy

I don't know sober. Bet you would do a nice job sticking those stickers and would not say anything to any of the bosses

I think the poster is right though. You have so much venom your spraying about the safety committees that you probably should join and help put in the fixes.

I dont have any venom. I just feel compelled to call B.S. when I hear it.
Actually, I have nothing against any committee that invents acronyms, hands out cookies, grades papers and distributes stickers. I merely ask that we not refer to it as a "safety committee" and instead call it what it really is...a Keter Audit Committee.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by soberups

I dont have any venom. I just feel compelled to call B.S. when I hear it.
Actually, I have nothing against any committee that invents acronyms, hands out cookies, grades papers and distributes stickers. I merely ask that we not refer to it as a "safety committee" and instead call it what it really is...a Keter Audit Committee.

And while we are honest lets be honest with you. You have not ever had anything positive to say about anything at UPS. Ever see if the wife could get you a job with her since they do everything the right way?

[soberups]

Originally Posted by tieguy

And while we are honest lets be honest with you. You have not ever had anything positive to say about anything at UPS. Ever see if the wife could get you a job with her since they do everything the right way?

A rather ignorant statement from someone who has never spoken to me in person.
Funny thing is, I actually will be getting a job at my wife's company....in 8 1/2 years when I can retire at the age of 50 and my Teamster-negotiated PEER 80 pension kicks in. Its going to be a good pension. There, I just said something positive about UPS

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by soberups

A rather ignorant statement from someone who has never spoken to me in person.
Funny thing is, I actually will be getting a job at my wife's company....in 8 1/2 years when I can retire at the age of 50 and my Teamster-negotiated PEER 80 pension kicks in. Its going to be a good pension. There, I just said something positive about UPS

I don't think its ignorant. I judge you by what you post here. You tell me you are the guy that does his job and has no problems. But everything you post here reeks of someone who is a loud crying complainer. You have definitely bought into the goon mindset and bash the company with every posted breath.

[soberups]

Originally Posted by tieguy

But everything you post here reeks of someone who is a loud crying complainer. You have definitely bought into the goon mindset and bash the company with every posted breath.

I dont complain about anything. I merely point out the instances where UPS's actions contradict its words. Such as safety. And service. Hey, its a great-paying job and I'm glad to have it, but I have this uncontrollable urge to call B.S. when a steaming pile of it is handed to me on a platter. All I ask of UPS is that management quit trying to insult my intelligence by handing me a turd and telling me its a rose.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by soberups

I dont complain about anything. I merely point out the instances where UPS's actions contradict its words. Such as safety. And service. Hey, its a great-paying job and I'm glad to have it, but I have this uncontrollable urge to call B.S. when a steaming pile of it is handed to me on a platter. All I ask of UPS is that management quit trying to insult my intelligence by handing me a turd and telling me its a rose.

thats my point apparently you think everything is a steaming pile of crap. And when you do for instance see something other then a steaming pile of crap you seem to ignore it or miss it. Good example the thirty dollaar seat belt upgrade. You sell that here like ups still has you driving horse and buggy when you have package cars now that have had many of the safety improvements drivers asked for. My point again you only talk about the crap you never talk about anything else. I'm tired of reading about your wifes hr company doing things the right way. Tell her to start a package handling service and then tell us how to run our safety programs.
the perspective you sell here is very anti company. you don't want to join any committees and fix anything no you just want to stand on the sideline and tell us how screwed up we are.

It shouldn't be our safety program that makes you puke but your perspective.

[dannyboy]

There are some ugly truths, and some rose colored truths.

Truth #1.....One of the original reasons UPS began (and invited the union into the safety issue) safety committies is to relieve themselves of several huge Osha fines that were being leveled. Some of the issues were petty I am sure, but there were also many issues that needed fixed. After 28 years without any safety team or focus, I could tell a book full. Osha was needed in the USA, and especially at UPS, because they really did not think about many of the things they asked us to do.

Truth #2.....about the union forcing the company to start with automatics? Really. And you believe in santa and the tooth fairy as well. Get real. The auto deal was something UPS was getting ready to do anyway, and allowed the union to look tough and chauk up a win on a new and improved contract. Thats all.

Truth #3......Injuries on the job are very expensive for UPS. Next to wages, the highest cost, more than fuel etc. Any way to improve those numbers will improve the over all financial picture for UPS. Its that simple.

Truth #4.....Even though UPS makes changes at some centers to package cars to ease safety issues, the refuse to do so nation wide. It is more of a center or district thing vs a nation wide. Take hand rails on the outside. Pretty much standard in many places, but here they refuse to put them where the driver can reach them. For many drivers they are too high and in the wrong place to use. Three point seat belts are another issue that there should not be a discussion on.

Truth #5.....And speaking about 3 point restraints, If you really believe that the teamsters won automatics in the contract, then why not really win a serious issue and mandate retro fit 3 point seatbelts? Now that would really be something. But of course, that would not feather the Teamster wallet now would it?

Truth #6....Unless the company sells safety to the masses, it will be a lost cause. The harder they push, and the less the drivers feel involved, the less the idea will accomplish.

And lastly Truth #7.....Men and women that are professionals like to be treated as such. I and I am sure I speak for the rest of the UPS employees who are professionals, want to be recognised as such by our employers. Little preschool skits and games might seem like a good idea in your management meetings, but it is degrading for you to talk, act or treat us in such a manner. I would suggest talking to the whiteboard guy to give you some ideas......not some master preschool teachers aid.

So while I have issues with Sober and his method of posting this thread, many of his issues are real and serious, and should be treated that way.

Tie, unfortunately, your responses, while humorous, make light of and do not address the issues at all, something I find disturbing as it reflects what the hourly see coming from management at work and you here. And I know you better than that.

It is a shame that there can not be a way to network nation wide between safety committee members and other concerned drivers to begin to see some real changes at UPS. Changes that would actually put some teeth and credibility to the process, and not something that is run by, and for the company.

JMHO

d

[farmerbrown]

Originally Posted by feeder53

As I see it, that is in the safety peoples lane, and if they want me to pick up a candy bar....so be it. I get paid well and they run the show......I`ll pick up the candy bar.

Sometimes it just ain' worth it Bro!

[farmerbrown]

Originally Posted by tieguy

thats my point apparently you think everything is a steaming pile of crap. And when you do for instance see something other then a steaming pile of crap you seem to ignore it or miss it. Good example the thirty dollaar seat belt upgrade. You sell that here like ups still has you driving horse and buggy when you have package cars now that have had many of the safety improvements drivers asked for. My point again you only talk about the crap you never talk about anything else. I'm tired of reading about your wifes hr company doing things the right way. Tell her to start a package handling service and then tell us how to run our safety programs.
the perspective you sell here is very anti company. you don't want to join any committees and fix anything no you just want to stand on the sideline and tell us how screwed up we are.

It shouldn't be our safety program that makes you puke but your perspective.

Focus here ok Tie! The point is that somne things are broke at our great company beyond the point of fixing. Instead of just finding another way to ridiculously spout the company line, let's have some inspired leadership and fix this f@#%ing mess. Please grow some cajones and take the same responsibility for Management fu#@ups that you hold the employees to. I just know you can if you try.

[1989]

Originally Posted by farmerbrown

Focus here ok Tie! The point is that somne things are broke at our great company beyond the point of fixing. Instead of just finding another way to ridiculously spout the company line, let's have some inspired leadership and fix this f@#%ing mess. Please grow some cajones and take the same responsibility for Management fu#@ups that you hold the employees to. I just know you can if you try.

It goes both ways, the employee has the same responsibilty. If you just bitch about it, like many do, you just add to the problem.

[soberups]

Originally Posted by 1989

It goes both ways, the employee has the same responsibilty. If you just bitch about it, like many do, you just add to the problem.

I live up to my responsibility. I have 21 years without a lost-time injury. When it comes to safety I walk the walk. I merely ask that UPS do the same.

[soberups]

Originally Posted by dannyboy

Truth #2.....about the union forcing the company to start with automatics? Really. And you believe in santa and the tooth fairy as well. Get real. The auto deal was something UPS was getting ready to do anyway, and allowed the union to look tough and chauk up a win on a new and improved contract. Thats all.

Your post was 99% correct. I need to point out, however, that the '97 contract required power steering, not automatics. You are correct in that the company was switching over anyway, but this was because it was no longer possible to buy a truck chassis with manual steering, not because they gave a damn about us.
I am glad the language is there though...or some IE bean counter would have the bright idea to remove the power steering belt in order to squeeze another 1000 mile out of the front tires.