Not a 'bonus' driver...

[UpstateNYUPSer]

My apologies to all as well. My coffee wasn't its usual strength this morning as I was typing.

No harm, no foul. Are we cool?

[dilligaf]

Originally Posted by Storm723

In light or darkness...lol anyway...The driver knows the business is closed on certain days but the loader does not. If the loader has been loading for years or a while..and a driver has had that discussion with the loader. The loader will usually save the driver some time of having to find it and pull it off.

On the other hand...with a newer loader or a sub-loader.
if the known closure was never passed along to dispatch that package will continue to come through the system as open, scanned in and loaded.

That is my experience. There are loaders who know what stops are closed when...and they will do that favor to the driver.

You are right, a new loader would not know what the known clo are. We keep lists posted next to load chart for known clo. We are pcm'd about leaving lists of known clo. for preload. To the best of my knowledge it is the responsibility of preload to NOT load known clo. We are also ragged at about our a.m. time. I don't have time to go through my truck in the morning to pull known clo. It makes sense to me for preload to do this.
I preloaded, and it did not take me long to learn what businesses were closed what days. All I had to do was listen to my drivers and learn. It is not a difficult thing to do, if you give a damn.

[trplnkl]

Pas/EDD can be told of reoccurring known Clo stops but it has to be programed in. Anytime there is an upgrade to the system they all have to be put in again. When done this way, known clo never make it to the loader.
I'm happy when the loader can remember his name.

[1989]

Originally Posted by dilligaf

Preload loads the trucks why would they load a known clo. Let me step back here. I have not ever worked out of a large ctr/hub. I am in a small ctr (17 rtes) where it is practice that preload does not load known clo.

Coming from slightly bigger centers, a known closure must be loaded. You never know when someone might be in the office. Say it's a birthday present for little Timmy. The secretary may come in that day and wait for it while they do some paperwork. Nobody is closed until you knock on the door and nobody answers.

[dilligaf]

Originally Posted by 1989

Coming from slightly bigger centers, a known closure must be loaded. You never know when someone might be in the office. Say it's a birthday present for little Timmy. The secretary may come in that day and wait for it while they do some paperwork. Nobody is closed until you knock on the door and nobody answers.

Our sups tell preload not to load known clo.

I had a customer the other day that was pissed off because his ground pkg wasn't delivered last fri. He said they paid to have it del on fri. First of all, I was not aware there were any committed ground deliveries. Ground gets there when it gets there. Premium services have del. commits. Secondly, why wait until the last second to order Timmy's B-day present?

I don't want 10 cases of paper in my truck for a business that's known clo. just on the off-hand chance they might be open. If they are known clo I don't go there, unless preload loads it and I have to.

I need to qualify the last statement I made. I do one rte regularly and know it very well. Well enough to know where my business customers live. If I have a known clo and know where the customer lives I will del to the customer. I do what I can to not have send agains.

[1989]

Originally Posted by dilligaf

Our sups tell preload not to load known clo.

I had a customer the other day that was pissed off because his ground pkg wasn't delivered last fri. He said they paid to have it del on fri. First of all, I was not aware there were any committed ground deliveries. Ground gets there when it gets there. Premium services have del. commits. Secondly, why wait until the last second to order Timmy's B-day present?

I don't want 10 cases of paper in my truck for a business that's known clo. just on the off-hand chance they might be open. If they are known clo I don't go there, unless preload loads it and I have to.

I need to qualify the last statement I made. I do one rte regularly and know it very well. Well enough to know where my business customers live. If I have a known clo and know where the customer lives I will del to the customer. I do what I can to not have send agains.

Ground pkgs have had a commit delivery day for years just not a commit time. If people didn't wait until the last minute to order stuff UPS would vertually have no air deliveries.

I would rather have 10 boxes of paper to a closed business than an open one. If they are closed I don't have to touch the boxes.

If you know where many business owners live, on the days they are closed, why not leave them on the car and indirect them to their house on trace?

[dilligaf]

Originally Posted by 1989

I would rather have 10 boxes of paper to a closed business than an open one. If they are closed I don't have to touch the boxes.

If you know where many business owners live, on the days they are closed, why not leave them on the car and indirect them to their house on trace?

I have to unload 10 boxes at the end of the day, so one way or the other I have to move them.

If I am on that rte it's not a problem. If I am on a rte that I don't know then I don't want known clo.

[Storm723]

Originally Posted by trplnkl

Pas/EDD can be told of reoccurring known Clo stops but it has to be programed in. Anytime there is an upgrade to the system they all have to be put in again. When done this way, known clo never make it to the loader.
I'm happy when the loader can remember his name.

This is the truth...however for some reason in our building...even after PAS/EDD are told...it never sticks!

[BigBrownSanta]

Originally Posted by 1989

Ground pkgs have had a commit delivery day for years just not a commit time. If people didn't wait until the last minute to order stuff UPS would vertually have no air deliveries.

I would rather have 10 boxes of paper to a closed business than an open one. If they are closed I don't have to touch the boxes.

If you know where many business owners live, on the days they are closed, why not leave them on the car and indirect them to their house on trace?

I think if you indirected 10 boxes of paper to the owner's house, you'd definately be on their list, and I don't mean their Christmas list either. LOL.

[New Englander]

Originally Posted by BigBrownSanta

I think if you indirected 10 boxes of paper to the owner's house, you'd definately be on their list, and I don't mean their Christmas list either. LOL.

That and now they are going to get hit with the resi charge.

Originally Posted by dilligaf

I preloaded, and it did not take me long to learn what businesses were closed what days. All I had to do was listen to my drivers and learn. It is not a difficult thing to do, if you give a damn.

Thought it was funny(ha ha funny) that you would end your post this way with your name being "dilligaf" !!!

[UpstateNYUPSer]

Originally Posted by 1989

If you know where many business owners live, on the days they are closed, why not leave them on the car and indirect them to their house on trace?

I would love to listen to the irate phone call and then be a fly on the wall during your meeting with the CM to discuss indirecting 10 commercial pkgs to the business owners' house. And people gave me crap about using CLO HOL?

[1989]

Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

I would love to listen to the irate phone call and then be a fly on the wall during your meeting with the CM to discuss indirecting 10 commercial pkgs to the business owners' house. And people gave me crap about using CLO HOL?

I wouldn't indirect 10 boxes of paper to someones house or even the business next door unless the consignee asks me to. I probably wouldn't indirect anything more than I can carry.

[dilligaf]

Originally Posted by BigBrownSanta

I think if you indirected 10 boxes of paper to the owner's house, you'd definately be on their list, and I don't mean their Christmas list either. LOL.

Big, that would be my 10 boxes of paper and your right, I would not be on the xmas list. However I do have a little more common sense than that and would never consider doing this. Hence, the need to have known clo not loaded in the first place. It is a waste of space and time. Most of the businesses that I deal with don't care if they don't get their pkgs until the next day, and the ones that do, already have the drivers phone numbers and will call them. Or will let the driver know the day before that they are expecting a pkg the next day. This is the part of customer service that goes above and beyond the company.

[dilligaf]

Originally Posted by dilligaf

I don't want 10 cases of paper in my truck for a business that's known clo. just on the off-hand chance they might be open. If they are known clo I don't go there, unless preload loads it and I have to.

My quote was taken out of context to some degree. I never said I would indirect 10 cases of paper to a home.

[trplnkl]

Originally Posted by Storm723

This is the truth...however for some reason in our building...even after PAS/EDD are told...it never sticks!

Things that have to manually changed in EDD like the known clo and business stops that are PALed out of trace on purpose sometimes are removed from EDD because the system has had an upgrade from the post office (this is where we get our data base for EDD) and have to be added again.

[BigBrownSanta]

dilligaf and 1989, I apologize if either of you took offense to my post. There was no malice intended. I never expected either of you would actually indirect 10 boxes of paper.

In my mind, I pictured the owner pulling into their driveway after enjoying their day off at the mall or the lake and finding 10 boxes of paper on their porch. I then pictured their car loaded down with paper and shooting sparks and the tires rubbing out on the wheel wells on every bump in the road on their way to work, and then after they arrive at their business, having to carry those 10 boxes all the way to the back to the stock room.

Maybe I should"ve used a smiley....

[1989]

Originally Posted by BigBrownSanta

dilligaf and 1989, I apologize if either of you took offense to my post. There was no malice intended. I never expected either of you would actually indirect 10 boxes of paper.

In my mind, I pictured the owner pulling into their driveway after enjoying their day off at the mall or the lake and finding 10 boxes of paper on their porch. I then pictured their car loaded down with paper and shooting sparks and the tires rubbing out on the wheel wells on every bump in the road on their way to work, and then after they arrive at their business, having to carry those 10 boxes all the way to the back to the stock room.

Maybe I should"ve used a smiley....

No offense, I picture the paper stacked up like a brick wall at the front door. That would be funny.

[covemaster]

In Mass. most hair salons and barber shops are clo on mondays, I allways sheeted them as future remarks column clo mondays also nda non deliv attempt for resi big dog, icey hill just be honest if they question you on it!!! its only cardboard, hopefully it's not a heart or a lung.... I agree with new englander dont fudge any thing