Is there a push to save fuel?

[mathematics]

PAS saves fuel...whether you believe it or not. the numbers are there

[brownmonster]

Upstate, my bad. I do believe it's OK to shuttle ground pkgs, just not deliver them. I would rather see an air driver moving boxes than a supe. PAS doesn't save fuel. Implementing PAS correctly saves fuel.

[edd_tv]

Originally Posted by Big Babooba

A push to save fuel? If you get enough people pushing, you'll save a lot of fuel.

enough people pushing? brilliant!!!

we are on to something here...

[soberups]

If you want to save fuel, start heavily promoting NDA Saver that can be delivered on trace. Most residential customers do not need their NDA package by 10:30. I have driven 30 miles to make service on a 10:30 NDA for a residential customer who didnt even get home to his package until after 5:00. We need to start heavily advertising NDA Saver service as a "fuel economy" measure, I suspect that a lot of enviornmentally consious customers would insist upon the saver option if they knew that they were saving fuel and reducing pollution by doing so.

[Mike Hawk]

A lot of internet companies don't offer NDA saver, and I found one where the saver actualy cost $2 more than the NDA with 10:30 commit...

[mathematics]

Originally Posted by brownmonster

Upstate, my bad. I do believe it's OK to shuttle ground pkgs, just not deliver them. I would rather see an air driver moving boxes than a supe. PAS doesn't save fuel. Implementing PAS correctly saves fuel.

yea, true. i guess a lot of centers have bad implementations, and that's why a lot of people complain about it. correct implementations do save fuel. we have drivers in my division saving 20+ miles per day on their routes.

[mountaingoat]

Originally Posted by DS

About 10 years ago they converted every p800 in our fleet to propane,mine included ,with almost 700,000 km on it.Theres a little guage by the tank that is very accurate.I often have to refill it myself if they forget.All the new trucks are diesels,maybe we should go propane .
All I know is that it costs almost $60 to fill up my nissan sentra when it used to be closer to $45.I wonder how much it costs to take an F-18 jet out for an hour...or a 1970 hemi-cuda for that matter

FYI - A Boeing 767-200ER's maximum fuel capacity is 23,980 gallons. With Jet A at around $4.80/gallon, it would cost you a whopping $115,104 to fill up if you ran the tank dry (not that you would ever do that in an airplane).

PS - I don't know if they offer a discount for cash :-)

[trplnkl]

Originally Posted by mountaingoat

if you ran the tank dry (not that you would ever do that in an airplane).

Yeah, I'm betting them puppies don't coast in to the station too well.

[covemaster]

Originally Posted by over9five

In Feeders, our idle time (all time tractor is running but moving less than 7mph) is tracked and we see it the next day. We are told to shut it down when it's not moving (waiting for dock, etc).


BUT......
Have you ever watched the shifters? Sometimes they wait 20 minutes to get a move, and the tractors running the whole time!

BUT WE NEVER LET IT RUN IN A HEATWAVE DID WE OVAH!!!!

[covemaster]

Notice To Management....... Try Shutting Off The A.c In The Office All Day When Your Reading Over The Reports For 5 Mins. And Making Lunch And Golf Plans The Other 9 Hrs

[Bubblehead]

Originally Posted by 1989

I used to think air drivers couldn't transport ground but where does it say that in the contract?

Article 40. An exception air driver is to deliver packages that the regular driver cannot service due to the commit time, e.g. I have 20 nextday air stops and can only service 15 by 10:30 commit, 5 stops are now exception air stops. This doesn't include PLIBs of any service level or misloads or bulk stops held in the building. I waited 8 years for a full time job and take it seriously when management uses part timers to supliment their full time operation. If enough people grieve this issue it will become cost ineffective and full time driver jobs will be protected. Paying twice for the same work will get costly.

UPS negotiates contracts in supposed good faith but seemingly never intends to abide by them.

[FromBluetoBrown]

I overheard the CM during the driver PCM that starting tomorrow morning most of the next day airs will be spa'd in with the bulk stops so as to save trips therefore conserving gas. I dont see the difference my drivers tell me to load certain airs with bulk stops anyways.

[bellesotico]

Originally Posted by daviswilliam@fuse.net

Article 40. An exception air driver is to deliver packages that the regular driver cannot service due to the commit time, e.g. I have 20 nextday air stops and can only service 15 by 10:30 commit, 5 stops are now exception air stops. This doesn't include PLIBs of any service level or misloads or bulk stops held in the building. I waited 8 years for a full time job and take it seriously when management uses part timers to supliment their full time operation. If enough people grieve this issue it will become cost ineffective and full time driver jobs will be protected. Paying twice for the same work will get costly.

UPS negotiates contracts in supposed good faith but seemingly never intends to abide by them.

Wouldn't you rather see your union brothers/sisters get the work than a sup?
I mean really..ups isn't going to change how they operate. If you grieve them using air drivers..they will just do it themselves.

Oh but wait..what do you have to lose right? You can grieve that too and get paid.

Oh..and "cost ineffective"??? Surely you jest..what the **** does ups do that isn't cost ineffective???

[1989]

Originally Posted by daviswilliam@fuse.net

Article 40. An exception air driver is to deliver packages that the regular driver cannot service due to the commit time, e.g. I have 20 nextday air stops and can only service 15 by 10:30 commit, 5 stops are now exception air stops. This doesn't include PLIBs of any service level or misloads or bulk stops held in the building. I waited 8 years for a full time job and take it seriously when management uses part timers to supliment their full time operation. If enough people grieve this issue it will become cost ineffective and full time driver jobs will be protected. Paying twice for the same work will get costly.

UPS negotiates contracts in supposed good faith but seemingly never intends to abide by them.

Air drivers can deliver 2day too. They just can't deliver ground, but our air drivers shuttle ground to driver. They shuttle air and ground together. They also shuttle misloads.

[Bubblehead]

Originally Posted by 1989

I used to think air drivers couldn't transport ground but where does it say that in the contract?

Article 40. A part time air exception driver is ONLY allowed to make service on air packages that the full time driver cannot service due to time commitments. An example would be I have 20 air stops and can only make 15 by 10:30. The extra 5 are exceptions and can be delivered by part time exception air drivers. Shuttling misloads, bulk stops, PLIB's, etc. are blatant contractual violations and should not be tolerated. As a full time driver that waited 8 yrs for my chance, I simply will not tolerate this in my center. I file whenever I see it happen.


UPS supposedly negotiates our contracts in good faith then operate like it is printed on toilet paper.

[Bubblehead]

Originally Posted by 1989

Air drivers can deliver 2day too. They just can't deliver ground, but our air drivers shuttle ground to driver. They shuttle air and ground together. They also shuttle misloads.

Common misconception. To a full time driver a 2nd day air pkg (2nd day AM excluded) are no different than a ground package. They carry no time commit and require no extra attention. They are therefore not an exception pkg and management has no valid claim to use air drivers to service these pkgs.

I know it is common place for these part timers to used outside their contractual limitations. It will continue as long it is profitable to do so. It will become unprofitable when grievances are paid at time and a half over and above the wages paid to the part timer. Also to you part timers doing this work, you are untitled to full time top scale rate when you work outside of your classification.

Grieve it, grieve it, grieve it....!

[Bubblehead]

Originally Posted by bellesotico

Wouldn't you rather see your union brothers/sisters get the work than a sup?
I mean really..ups isn't going to change how they operate. If you grieve them using air drivers..they will just do it themselves.

Oh but wait..what do you have to lose right? You can grieve that too and get paid.

Oh..and "cost ineffective"??? Surely you jest..what the **** does ups do that isn't cost ineffective???

Supervisors working is grievable at double time. I see that, I grieve that too. UPS will and does change how it operates and that is dictated by the bottom line. Standing by the water cooler whining wont change things but grievance settlements and awards will. Labor charges after grievances are on record will. Maybe not "overnight" but in time with persistence and solidarity things can and will change.

[1989]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead

Article 40. A part time air exception driver is ONLY allowed to make service on air packages that the full time driver cannot service due to time commitments. An example would be I have 20 air stops and can only make 15 by 10:30. The extra 5 are exceptions and can be delivered by part time exception air drivers. Shuttling misloads, bulk stops, PLIB's, etc. are blatant contractual violations and should not be tolerated. As a full time driver that waited 8 yrs for my chance, I simply will not tolerate this in my center. I file whenever I see it happen.


UPS supposedly negotiates our contracts in good faith then operate like it is printed on toilet paper.

Article 40
Air Operation
Section 6. Wages

All hourly wages for employees covered under Article 40 will be determined in accordance with this
Section, Article 22 and Article 41 where specified.
a. Part-time air drivers including exception air drivers will be paid as follows:
Start $11.50
Seniority $12.50
Seniority Date plus 12 months $13.00
Seniority Date plus 18 months $13.50
Seniority Date plus 24 months Top Rate
1.

Effective August 1, 2008, the prior $20.62 twenty-four (24) month (top) rate will change on August
1st and February 1st of each year of the Agreement to reflect the agreed upon general wage
increases. , as follows:
August 1, 2002 $16.25
August 1, 2003 $17.00
August 1, 2004 $17.80
August 1, 2005 $18.60
August 1, 2006 $19.50
August 1, 2007 $20.50
2. All part-time bid air drivers in progression on August 1, 2002 will be slotted into the new progression
in paragraph a. above. Seniority part-time employees entering a part-time air driver job after August 1,
2002 the effective date of this Agreement will begin at the seniority rate.
Part-time employees who are awarded a scheduled part time air driver job shall receive progression
credit in accordance with the following: for each four (4) days on which exception air work was
performed in the two (2) years immediately prior to the bid award, one (1) month of progression credit
shall be granted. In addition, if a bid part-time air driver is displaced, he will retain his/her progression
credit under paragraph a. for any air exception work. Seniority part-time employees entering a part-time
air driver job after August 1, 2002 will begin at the seniority rate.
b. Full-time air drivers will be paid as follows:
Start $13.50
Seniority $14.50
Seniority Date plus 12 months $15.00
Seniority Date plus 18 months $15.50
Seniority Date plus 24 months Top rate
1. Effective August 1, 2008, the prior $22.62 twenty-four (24) month (top) rate will change on August
1st and February 1st of each year of the Agreement to reflect the agreed upon general wage
increases. as follows:
August 1, 2002 $18.25
August 1, 2003 $19.00
August 1, 2004 $19.80
August 1, 2005 $20.60
August 1, 2006 $21.50
August 1, 2007 $22.50
2. All full-time air drivers in progression on August 1, 2002 the effective date of this Agreement will
be slotted into the full-time progression in paragraph b. above. Seniority full-time employees entering a
full-time air driver job will be slotted based on their Company seniority.

c.

All new hire full-time or part-time air drivers will be placed in the applicable progression in
paragraphs a. or b. above.
d. All current full-time or part-time air drivers who are out of progression shall receive the general wage
increases provided for in accordance with the split dates provided in Article 41 on each contract
anniversary date, or the Top Rate provided in paragraphs a. or b. above, whichever is greater.

e.

Employees in existing or newly created less-than-eight hour combination jobs shall be paid the parttime
air rate in accordance with paragraph a. above for air driver work and their normal part-time wages
for the hours worked in other classifications in accordance with Article 22.

f.

Employees who are in existing full-time combination jobs or who hereafter enter a full-time
combination job shall be paid the appropriate full-time air rate for air driver work and appropriate inside
part-time rate for the hours worked in other classifications. If an employee has no established inside
rate, that employee will be paid the appropriate part-time rate in accordance with his Company seniority.

g.

Employees on the exception air driver list shall continue to be slotted into the part-time air driver
progression in paragraph a. above based upon the length of time the employee has been performing air
exception work. Seniority employees who begin performing air exception work will start at the
seniority rate. New part-time employees signing up to perform air exception work will receive the start
rate in paragraph a) above until they gain seniority.

h.

Part-time air hub and gateway employees and air walkers shall be paid at the all other rate of pay as
shown in Article 22. However, if a part-time employee is awarded an air walker job he/she shall
continue to receive his/her inside rate in accordance with Article 22. Full-time air hub and gateway jobs
shall be paid in accordance with Article 41, Section 3 unless there is an existing agreement under Article
40, Section 3 expressly providing a pay rate for such a classification.
i. Air operation employees who are covered by a daily guarantee shall receive the same rest period
provisions as outlined in the appropriate Supplement, Rider or Addendum.

Where does it say that here?

[Bubblehead]

1989 you have listed sec 6 of article 40 which deals with wages. Article 40 is not a short or an easy read. I urge you to start at sec 1 and read it slow in order to separate the does from the don'ts. There are some differences in the restrictions in delivering verses making pickups. I maintain my assertion that air drivers and supervisors are not allowed to deliver and or shuttle any pkgs that are not exception air pkgs and when they do we need to grieve.