Is there a push to save fuel?

UpstateNYUPSer · 06-12-2008, 04:01 AM

[quote=Bubblehead;352279]The moral to the story is that when properly motivated, whether it be safety or contractual obligations, change is possible.[ /quote]

Where do you think your rear view camera came from? Do you think UPS suddenly thought that we would be safer if we had these installed on our package cars? No, UPS is reactive, not proactive, when it comes to implementing safety changes, and the cameras were no exception as they were installed due to the tragic loss of a young life.

IWorkAsDirected · 06-12-2008, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mathematics

PAS saves fuel...whether you believe it or not. the numbers are there

Ha Ha Ha, maybe the numbers are there, but like all UPS numbers they do not reflect reality. Can you say massage?

JackAttack · 06-12-2008, 07:17 PM

Aren't the package car routes designed with as many right turns in them as possible so that you don't spend so much time sitting at a stop sign? I remember hearing this on the news a few months back.

06-12-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JackAttack

Aren't the package car routes designed with as many right turns in them as possible so that you don't spend so much time sitting at a stop sign? I remember hearing this on the news a few months back.

Yeah, I had a girl call me while playing Trivia asking me "which way do UPS drivers turn?" Seems it has made its way into board games, too.

outamyway · 06-15-2008, 08:54 PM

There's a new training category in the DIAD. It's about fuel conservation. So I'd say yes, there is a push to save fuel.

RDF_Airhub · 06-18-2008, 04:33 PM

I know on the ramp we have been pushed hard to shut everything off if its not moving. I would think the easiest way to save some fuel would be to tell the fueling guy to watch whats hes doing. He just fills it up till it over flows, goes to the next one. Gas is all over the sides of our vehicles and all over the ground. dont know how many gallons a week he must waste.

bad company · 06-18-2008, 04:55 PM

We have a cheesy board with the "5 Keys to Scratching a Route" posted, and one of the 5 keys is to "Drive aggressively up to the posted speed limit". So the other day, I confronted a supervisor and asked him if he would rather have me save some fuel by not accelerating so hard (per the 5 keys to scratching) or have me run scratch. He told me it was cheaper to pay for the extra fuel than to pay my overtime...

So I guess it varies?

dilligaf · 06-18-2008, 09:02 PM

We had to do diad training this week. On conserving fuel and shutting of the truck at every stop.

brownrodster · 06-18-2008, 11:02 PM

I'd be surprised if there were people who actually left their truck idling while they made a delivery!!! I have never done that before.

I've always liked to find one park position to make multiple stops from (part of the diad training)

outamyway · 06-19-2008, 12:53 PM

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I'd be surprised if there were people who actually left their truck idling while they made a delivery!!! I have never done that before.

The Fedex guys do it all the time, but they have AC, so they have a reason.

mathematics · 06-19-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by IWorkAsDirected

Ha Ha Ha, maybe the numbers are there, but like all UPS numbers they do not reflect reality. Can you say massage?

the drivers miles are what they are

RedThunder · 06-19-2008, 01:56 PM

I have a question about air drivers being used to shuttle ground packages. I was a driver for 20 years before i bid on a 22.3 job about a year and a half ago.

Now i work the preload for 4 hours and after the sort i I deliver air. I also take out bulk stops and meet drivers with those if they won't fit on the package car. These are mostly ground. I also shuttle misloads, ground, air, whatever between drivers for the rest of my day.

Now on the sort i make a higher wage than i do as an air driver. ($22.50 as air driver). After i finish air deliveries, i code all the time i spend shuttling as wash, so i get the higher wage that i make working on the sort. Should i be receiving the package drivers rate for the time i am shuttling these ground packages between drivers? I do this approx. 3-4 hours per day.

Mike Hawk · 06-19-2008, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThunder

I have a question about air drivers being used to shuttle ground packages. I was a driver for 20 years before i bid on a 22.3 job about a year and a half ago.

Now i work the preload for 4 hours and after the sort i I deliver air. I also take out bulk stops and meet drivers with those if they won't fit on the package car. These are mostly ground. I also shuttle misloads, ground, air, whatever between drivers for the rest of my day.

Now on the sort i make a higher wage than i do as an air driver. ($22.50 as air driver). After i finish air deliveries, i code all the time i spend shuttling as wash, so i get the higher wage that i make working on the sort. Should i be receiving the package drivers rate for the time i am shuttling these ground packages between drivers? I do this approx. 3-4 hours per day.

Yes, you get top driver rate for touching ground.

RedThunder · 06-19-2008, 02:12 PM

Well, i wonder if i should file?

It's a real small rural center. Only 16-18 routes a day. It's the easiest job i've ever had at ups. Hours are 5am to 1 pm monday through friday. I would hate to muck that up for $15 a day difference before taxes.

outamyway · 06-19-2008, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThunder

Well, i wonder if i should file?

It's a real small rural center. Only 16-18 routes a day. It's the easiest job i've ever had at ups. Hours are 5am to 1 pm monday through friday. I would hate to muck that up for $15 a day difference before taxes.

Yes you should be getting top rate driver pay(it's $28.15 here)for the WHOLE day, including preload time.

It is your right to file but you will likely stir up a lot of

if you do. $22 an hour,8 hours a day, 40 hours a week, seems like a pretty good gig to me.

Also, there is a code for shuttling, it's on the last page of the codes list in the other work section. I'd hate for them to fire you because you're on road washing cars.

RedThunder · 06-19-2008, 02:30 PM

Yeah, thats what i'm thinking. Plus it's $22.50 only for the 45 minutes or so i drive air and $24.31 for the other 7.5 hours. Maybe best to just leave this one alone. Thanks.

UpstateNYUPSer · 06-28-2008, 04:13 PM

Before I went on vacation they posted a chart on which they will post the miles that each area runs on each day. They have established a base line mileage figure for each area and will track the mileage each day with the hope that we will in turn work to reduce our mileage. The only problem is the base line figures, at least for my area, are low (45) as I average 55 to 60 each day (depending on whether I go for ice cream or not). I will be curious as to whether this chart is still being used and what the reaction has been to it when I go back to work.

New Englander · 06-28-2008, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThunder

Yeah, thats what i'm thinking. Plus it's $22.50 only for the 45 minutes or so i drive air and $24.31 for the other 7.5 hours. Maybe best to just leave this one alone. Thanks.

I'd file. Then when Management is out shuttling the ground, I'd file again.

At some point they will fix the problem. If not - your going to get ground rate for the easiest 8 hours at UPS.

I often wonder why we worry about the back lash of filing over something thats black and white. We seem to always forget - The Teamsters AND UPS agreed to the contract language. It's written right there.

But Benefits Are Great! · 06-28-2008, 07:37 PM

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I often wonder why we worry about the back lash of filing over something thats black and white. We seem to always forget - The Teamsters AND UPS agreed to the contract language. It's written right there.

Because we are also dealing with human beings? Just a guess....

UpstateNYUPSer · 06-29-2008, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by New Englander

We seem to always forget - The Teamsters AND UPS agreed to the contract language. It's written right there.

While they may indeed have agreed to the contract language, do you think they did it happily or was it perhaps a trade-off (contract concession) for another portion of the contract?

New Englander · 06-29-2008, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

While they may indeed have agreed to the contract language, do you think they did it happily or was it perhaps a trade-off (contract concession) for another portion of the contract?

Absolutely there were. I'm only talking about the "feeling" we all have about filing. As if it makes us dirty or is the wrong thing to do.

Ultimately both sides agreed to what was written.

If I was a 22.3 that had all overtime eliminated, then they wanted me to shuttle ground misloads about - I'm getting the ground rate. If they didn't like it and went back to management running them out in their personal cars - I'm getting ground rate on those days as well.

upsdude · 06-29-2008, 07:08 AM

Question..............

If a sup (or hourly) is moving packages in their personal car, is that a DOT violation? What if the person doesn't have a DOT card?

Not starting a fight, just a question.

UpstateNYUPSer · 06-29-2008, 07:53 AM

Good question and one that I don't have the answer to. There have been times when I have done this and this thought never entered my mind. For example, I have come back off the road only to find a left in building for an address near my house. I will offer to deliver it on my way home and I then call the OMS to let them know where I left it and to adjust my punch out time accordingly.