A.M. Time Allowance

[local804]

lol .

[But Benefits Are Great!]

There should be a DoubleYou, Tee, Eff? key

Using the letters gets censored, sorry

[dilligaf]

Originally Posted by trplnkl

We(in my center) have been instructed many times to not put anything under "other work" without prior approval, PERIOD.

Trpl, how do you keep track of your pd breaks? We put our pd breaks in 'other work'.

[New Englander]

Originally Posted by dilligaf

Trpl, how do you keep track of your pd breaks? We put our pd breaks in 'other work'.

I enter mine in the break section right before the lunch section on the same screen.

[trplnkl]

We don't have paid breaks. We have one hour meal time, to be taken "preferably" by the (I think) 5th hour. In the Diad under Meal/break there are 4 lines if we want to break it up instead of taking it all at once. All time in this area is deducted from the total hours from punch in/punch out.

[UpstateNYUPSer]

Our preload was having a really hard time making its numbers so our CM instructed us that our leave bldg time was to be the same as our start time. This lasted for about a week due to the resistance with which this new directive was met by the drivers, especially when we would spend 10-15 min wrapping up our pkg cars and were still told to put 8:50 as our left bldg time and to make up this lost time on the road.

Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

Our preload was having a really hard time making its numbers so our CM instructed us that our leave bldg time was to be the same as our start time. This lasted for about a week due to the resistance with which this new directive was met by the drivers, especially when we would spend 10-15 min wrapping up our pkg cars and were still told to put 8:50 as our left bldg time and to make up this lost time on the road.

Exactly, if you record exactly what you are doing with your time, it gets charged to the correct group, in this case the preload. If you absorb the time into your own AM time as you were being told to do, the preload doesn't have to worry about being wrapped up, but you can bet you will have to worry about being over allowed. Just common sense stuff.

[Mike Hawk]

Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

Our preload was having a really hard time making its numbers so our CM instructed us that our leave bldg time was to be the same as our start time. This lasted for about a week due to the resistance with which this new directive was met by the drivers, especially when we would spend 10-15 min wrapping up our pkg cars and were still told to put 8:50 as our left bldg time and to make up this lost time on the road.

I never could understand why managers would sacrifice driver numbers for preload numbers. Our preload costs roughly 200 an hour in employee pay, the drivers get paid about 1300 an hour on OT, which they will all be on at the end of the day, so any extra time is on OT. HMM, pay 200/hour for preloaders to wrap or 1300 for drivers, such a hard business decision. If I ran the show and wanted to save money I would have cheap preloaders doing everything possible to reduce expensive driver OT.

[worthlessdriver]

I put in exactly what it is. Even if they tell me otherwise. Wouldn't want to "falsify records".

[New Englander]

Originally Posted by hseofpayne

Exactly, if you record exactly what you are doing with your time, it gets charged to the correct group, in this case the preload. If you absorb the time into your own AM time as you were being told to do, the preload doesn't have to worry about being wrapped up, but you can bet you will have to worry about being over allowed. Just common sense stuff.

No...you absolutely don't understand this. The Preload gets hit with ALL of our AM time unless it's put under safety meeting etc.....it doesn't matter how you code it.

Pretrip, PCM and sort load are all the same when it comes to charging the preload.

Originally Posted by New Englander

No...you absolutely don't understand this. The Preload gets hit with ALL of our AM time unless it's put under safety meeting etc.....it doesn't matter how you code it.

Pretrip, PCM and sort load are all the same when it comes to charging the preload.

Allright you Dang Yankee, the South is 'bout to rise again! When I code my time out as S&L, the next morning on the O.R., my AM time is broken down. I know the preload gets charged for all inside bldg time, but I don't get charged like I was standing around arguing with some Yankee!

[New Englander]

Originally Posted by hseofpayne

Allright you Dang Yankee, the South is 'bout to rise again! When I code my time out as S&L, the next morning on the O.R., my AM time is broken down. I know the preload gets charged for all inside bldg time, but I don't get charged like I was standing around arguing with some Yankee!

Lol then state you are only coding it out so it shows what you are doing. The way your posting it looks like you are only coding it out to hit the preload with that time.

In the big scheme of things it doesn't matter as it's all hitting the preload. Thats why there isn't a PCM code or a pretrip code etc......it doesn't matter.

Originally Posted by New Englander

Lol then state you are only coding it out so it shows what you are doing. The way your posting it looks like you are only coding it out to hit the preload with that time.

In the big scheme of things it doesn't matter as it's all hitting the preload. Thats why there isn't a PCM code or a pretrip code etc......it doesn't matter.

I like the preload, some of my best friends are preloaders, I have no prejudices towards preloaders! But, when it come down to it, I like me even more! This has been my point all along. You don't go to work w/o your pants on , do you? Well neither do I, I always cover my arse!

[dilligaf]

Originally Posted by New Englander

I enter mine in the break section right before the lunch section on the same screen.

We are told not to enter our breaks in this field because it doesnt code right and we don't get paid for that time. We enter ours under other work paid break (v).

[trplnkl]

That's correct Dill(as I understand), any time put under the meal/break part of the DIAD is deducted from your PI/PO. As I said here we do not get paid breaks so any personal time is supposed to come out of the meal time.

[Storm723]

Originally Posted by brownrodster

All the preload sup cares about his looking awesome (Or not looking like a bafoon) in the next conference call. If that means drivers have to wrap their own trucks to make their preload numbers look better then so be it!

I am a little confused by your statement in the fact that it makes no sense.

The sup is certainly not going to look good in this "so called" conference call if the drivers have to finish loading their PC's.

Especially, since the drivers time is accounted for in the A.M. Time. The driver A.M. time sticks with the Preload until the driver "has left the building". If the driver has to finish loading his/her PC that time is added into the preload.

The ideal situation occurs when the loader has loaded the PC on time (five prior to driver) and the driver has done his/her pre-trip and "leaves the building".

[Storm723]

Originally Posted by New Englander

You don't have to do anything. AM time directly effects the preload. Thats why the push is to get you out as fast as possible.

That is what this whole discussion has been about....

[Storm723]

Originally Posted by toonertoo

Pay them 8.5 or pay me 28, their choice.

Here's is the scoop on this....and I used to say the same thing....and what you are saying makes sense...however:

By the time the driver comes up on the line... he/she is usually punched in. They still have the whole day to go. It makes sense to get one of you off the line. So while your being paid...the loader gets sent home.. the driver finishes.

I have loaders with three and four car sets. As I see the drivers come up...I tell the loader, move to the next car...let the driver load his own. Once all three or four drivers are there one of two things occur 1) loader moves to another PC to finish loading, 2) loader goes home.

No sense in the driver standing around at $28hr watching the loader load his car.

I tell the driver..."no offense, but your here.... you finish"

[Mike Hawk]

Originally Posted by Storm723

Here's is the scoop on this....and I used to say the same thing....and what you are saying makes sense...however:

By the time the driver comes up on the line... he/she is usually punched in. They still have the whole day to go. It makes sense to get one of you off the line. So while your being paid...the loader gets sent home.. the driver finishes.

I have loaders with three and four car sets. As I see the drivers come up...I tell the loader, move to the next car...let the driver load his own. Once all three or four drivers are there one of two things occur 1) loader moves to another PC to finish loading, 2) loader goes home.

No sense in the driver standing around at $28hr watching the loader load his car.

I tell the driver..."no offense, but your here.... you finish"

With two people it goes twice as fast, and when one gets paid 1/3 of what the other gets, 2 loading will be cheaper than one.

[browniehound]

Originally Posted by brownrodster

All the preload sup cares about his looking awesome (Or not looking like a bafoon) in the next conference call. If that means drivers have to wrap their own trucks to make their preload numbers look better then so be it!

Then this will be the undoing of the company. From these posts it appears the every section of the business is out to make "their" numbers. Has it worked in the past? Yes it has, we are very profitable.

The problem is in recent years we have been losing volume and have been told to get more sales leads and we are under pressure to be more efficient.

Many drivers are getting a 3-day ride from their supervisor. Here is somebody who couldn't do your job on an everyday basis telling you how to do your job for 3 days. Something tells me there is a fundamental flaw with this scenario.

My solution! Instead of emphasizing each segment to make their numbers, how about each segment sitting down and talking about how to make all the segments work together at their peak efficiency?

Wasn't this the point of the employee stock purchase plan? It was for us employees to care about the company and do our best to make it run efficiently. If everyone is out to make their own numbers then we are doomed as a company!

[Storm723]

Originally Posted by Mike Hawk

With two people it goes twice as fast, and when one gets paid 1/3 of what the other gets, 2 loading will be cheaper than one.

Sounds good right?

However, UPS doesn't operate like that. They actually operate in clicks or 10ths of a second. Not seconds or minutes or even dollars $$...interesting eh.

Heres an example. Although I am not sure this would explain it...but anyway....here goes...

Scenerio #1)
If I have six loaders on my belt and they all stay an extra 10 minutes, I lose a full 60 minutes (1 hour) of time.

Scenerio #2)
If I hold 6 loaders and then 3 drivers come up and they work for 10 minutes I lose an 90 minutes. and lets say there are 3 drivers working for three loaders on my belt.

Scenerio #3)
I hold 3 loaders and 3 drivers come up on the belt for 10 minutes I lose 60 minutes

So as you can see the more people I hav on the belt...the more time I lose. Therefore, as drivers come up... I eliminate loaders. Yes, the drivers time still counts on my a.m. time but I am not charging double hours/minutes for the same job.

If that makes sense?