HOFFA

[Diegotron]

Originally Posted by jware

You, And Your Kind Of Thinking Is Exactly Why People Like Hoffa Get Elected . Your Perfectly Alright With He Fact That The Hoffa Administration Negotiated Away Things That Were Won In The Prior Contract. Why Do You Think Ups Wanted To Get Rid Of The Cola This Year smart Guy ? Ill Tell You Why, Because They Knew They Were Going To Haft To Pay! Tell Me smart Guy, What Good Is Voting On A Contract If The Hoffa Administration Can Just Change It Whenever He Wants? Dont Get Me Wrong $.15 An Hour Isnt Going To Make Or Break Me. However, I Voted For A Cola, And Expect To Get One When The Math Says So. Your Right, Its Not The Companies Fault The Economy Is Crap. Isnt That However The Entire Reason Of A Cola? Ups Can Raise Rates If Necessary, What Am I Supposed To Do To Cover The Extra Cost Of Day To Day Expences. Smart Guy Do Me A Favor And Keep Youd Enlitened Thoughts To Yourself.

Holy crap your shift key must be rubbed out after that post.

[filthpig]

Originally Posted by trplnkl

Jimmy I and Jimmy II are are as different as day and night. Jimmy I fought for the working man, to make life better. Granted, he did things under the table, things that were not quite legal but his motives were for the the working man!
Jimmy II's motives are for Jimmy II.
Let's face it, without SR Hoffa, there would be no Teamsters, without the Teamsters we would not be making 28+ bucks an hour with decent insurance and we would not even be thinking of a retirement of any kind.

Also remember that the only reason we are going to have any retirement is because UPS bought out the Teamster pension fund. Ron Carey is the real criminal here. He drove us into a strike by saying "he wouldn't let UPS break the Teamster pension fund". Anyone here remember the package UPS offered us back then? I do, and it seems pretty sweet now. If I remember correctly, it involved raises tied to the company's profits (which have skyrocketed since '97) as well as a higher pension and post-retirement benefits for the spouse and retiree. And don't forget the $3000 bonus just for signing. I'm still pissed about that debacle.
I am FILTHPIG and I approve this message.

[rocket man]

With out the union wouldwe be making 28 plus an hour? Jimmy senior was ruthless. Thats the way the world was.This union is not just ups . Some of youwrite in this and say the union this the union that, Its not just about ups the the Ibt thinks about . Yes we are a big part. im sorry you guys dont like my typing i stink at it but i try to get a point across. Im a pkg car driver not a typist. And a proud union member.
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[harpa horsepower]

yeah you guys contract sucks, i cant wait to see what it ends up doing to us as far as new hires in the next few years

[MonavieLeaker]

Originally Posted by rocket man

With out the union wouldwe be making 28 plus an hour? Jimmy senior was ruthless. Thats the way the world was.This union is not just ups . Some of youwrite in this and say the union this the union that, Its not just about ups the the Ibt thinks about . Yes we are a big part. im sorry you guys dont like my typing i stink at it but i try to get a point across. Im a pkg car driver not a typist. And a proud union member.
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You make 20+ an hour and still cant buy a spell checker?

[rod]

Spelling Police----who needs them--- It's not all that hard to understand the stuff posted on the Brown Cafe ( except maybe kenmei's posts ) ---- even with a few spelling errors. Where the heck are you kenmei? We miss you.

[What'dyabringmetoday???]

Originally Posted by jware

Theres An Artical On The teamsters. Org Web Site " Highway Robbery" that Kind Of Rubs Me The Wrong Way. In It Hoffa Talks About The High Cost Of Gas, And How Its Hurting The America Worker. I Wont Argue With That, I Drive 70 Miles Round Trip To Work And Back. However, We Had A Cost Of Living Allowance In Our Last Contract That Was Negotiated Away This Year By The Hoffa Administration. Intresting Artical About It At tdu.org "no Cost Of "living Raise For Ups Teamsters"
It Seems That Hoffa However Was Able To Keep His Cola Raise That Amounted To A 4.5% Increase ($12,500) In His Yearly Pay.
For Us Ups Teamsters That Lost Out This Year It Would Of Amounted To A $.15 An Hour Raise, Roughly $390 A Year, Or $1950 Over The Life Time Of The Current Contract.
If We Were To Get The Same Cola Raise Hoffa Got, 4.5% It Would Amount To A $1.26 An Hour Raise Not A Roughly .0055% Of $.15 An Hour
All Im Saying, Is That It Seems To Me That Hoffa Always Talks About How Rough The American Worker Has It, And Yet Negotiates Away Things In Contracts That Would Help. Its Beyond Me Why The Would Have Done This.

If you compare this contract with the last one, the cola language is the same. The only change was the year in which it starts. Last contract starts in 2003, this one in 2009. Bad data often gets posted here.

[scratch]

Originally Posted by What'dyabringmetoday???

Bad data often gets posted here.

You got that right!

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by trplnkl

Jimmy I and Jimmy II are are as different as day and night. Jimmy I fought for the working man, to make life better. Granted, he did things under the table, things that were not quite legal but his motives were for the the working man!
Jimmy II's motives are for Jimmy II.
Let's face it, without SR Hoffa, there would be no Teamsters, without the Teamsters we would not be making 28+ bucks an hour with decent insurance and we would not even be thinking of a retirement of any kind.

Jimmy One also brought the mob in and created many of the corruption problems that have plagued your union for years.

Jimmy two has a chance to be the first teamster president to survive his term without any indictmans or jail time.

[705red]

You have to love it when management comes to the union president defense. Helps with his credibility!

Originally Posted by What'dyabringmetoday???

If you compare this contract with the last one, the cola language is the same. The only change was the year in which it starts. Last contract starts in 2003, this one in 2009. Bad data often gets posted here.

Originally Posted by scratch
You got that right!

I agree "bad data often gets posted here," but I don't see what's bad about jware's post.

Normally, there is no need for a Cost-of-Living formula in the first year of a contract because the cost of living is known to the negotiators while they are negotiating the Year One raise. In effect, the cost-of-living raise is built in to the Year One raise. But no one can know what the cost-of-living will be in Year Two, Three, Four etc., so a formula is inserted to automatically augument future raises with a cost-of-living adjustment.

The last raise of the previous contract was ONE DOLLAR. ($1.20 for certain part-timers.) One would expect the first raise of this new contract would be more that that to begin with, AND would include and additional amount to deal with current inflation. Maybe A DOLLAR THIRTY-FIVE or so. Instead, that was negotiated away, (as was the part-timer's "catch-up" raises,) and we got just THIRTY-FIVE CENTS on August 1, 2008.

[MonavieLeaker]

Quick question for anyone that has the answer but how long can a teamster president be in office?

[dilligaf]

Isn't it........ 'for as long as they are voted in'.

[rod]

For as long as the people counting the ballots are his friends-------sorry I couldn't resist The Teamster Union has been Very good to me.

Originally Posted by MonavieLeaker

Quick question for anyone that has the answer but how long can a teamster president be in office?

Five-year terms for International Officers, three-year terms for Local and Joint Council Officers. No term limits.

[soberups]

I need to point out two simple facts that are apparently being overlooked here;

We voted for Hoffa---twice

We also voted to accept the current contract.

I am always amazed at the number of people who vote on the contract based solely upon how much of an hourly raise they are getting. They dont attend any union meetings or take the time to educate themselves about what it is they are voting for. Then, when the contract gets ratified and some of the less favorable aspects of it finally come to light, they complain about the very thing they voted for.

As far as Hoffa Jr and his paycheck are concerned...you should compare his salary to that of any upper level corporate attorney. He isnt a truck driver. When it comes to negotiating multibillion dollar contracts with huge corporations, I want a lawyer to do that, not a truck driver.

If you dont like the contract or the guy who negotiated it...vote them both down. Just remember that you are only going to get what you are willing to strike for.

[705red]

Sober its not just about bargaining a good contract, its also ablout enforcing the contract. You say that you want an attorney to do your contract not a truck driver, Who better to know what you deal with on a daily basis?

A truck driver working for 30 years at ups will no alot more of our issues compared to some suit who occasionally shipped an envelope through us!

[Kevin211]

I think it's time for Hoffa to retire and let someone else have the helm for awhile, I believe that you become set in your ways and just "ride the wave" when in office for more then 5 years.
I also feel that we need to grow the union in the next few years or our "bennies" will not be around when we retire. Now that I work for UPs and have the time to become more active in the union I plan on doing so, because I feel that the Union needs to make a strong come back, or we all will die a slow death

[soberups]

Originally Posted by 705red

Sober its not just about bargaining a good contract, its also ablout enforcing the contract. You say that you want an attorney to do your contract not a truck driver, Who better to know what you deal with on a daily basis?

A truck driver working for 30 years at ups will no alot more of our issues compared to some suit who occasionally shipped an envelope through us!

Whoever bargains for us is going to be sitting across the table from a bunch of high-priced management attorneys and accountants. Do you think UPS is going to have some on-car supervisor representing them at the negotiations? No, they are going to have the best minds that money can buy. I am a truck driver, and I dont want a truck driver going up against them any more than I would want a truck driver to do brain surgery on me.

[What'dyabringmetoday???]

Originally Posted by JonFrum

I agree "bad data often gets posted here," but I don't see what's bad about jware's post.

Normally, there is no need for a Cost-of-Living formula in the first year of a contract because the cost of living is known to the negotiators while they are negotiating the Year One raise. In effect, the cost-of-living raise is built in to the Year One raise. But no one can know what the cost-of-living will be in Year Two, Three, Four etc., so a formula is inserted to automatically augument future raises with a cost-of-living adjustment.

The last raise of the previous contract was ONE DOLLAR. ($1.20 for certain part-timers.) One would expect the first raise of this new contract would be more that that to begin with, AND would include and additional amount to deal with current inflation. Maybe A DOLLAR THIRTY-FIVE or so. Instead, that was negotiated away, (as was the part-timer's "catch-up" raises,) and we got just THIRTY-FIVE CENTS on August 1, 2008.

I stand by what I said. The cola language is the same. Perhaps my head really is in the sand, but COLA and general wage increases are two different things. If you can't make it on our wages, I am sure there are many jobs available paying more.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by 705red

You have to love it when management comes to the union president defense. Helps with his credibility!

I slammed one and said the other has a chance to be the first to not get charged with something. That is hardly coming to anyones defense.