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[dannyboy]

when did i say I have all the answers?

When you said that you and you alone were the only person that could close the sale. Forget that did you?

i really dont follow you at all...so you got a shipment of fish....that you sent out NDA for 1030 delivery, there were 57 of them? that you do for $20 per package? and if the routes get shuffled you dont get your nda until 10:45? and a driver wants to driver release them? and that is my fault?

I figured telling you more than one fact at a time would be to tough for you to keep straight. I guess I was right.

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[upssalesguy]

danny, please, find where i said i alone could close the sale. you were mocking my team comments...so if its not the team...is it you?

your post with the facts makes no sense. i still cant tell if you got screwed on the delivery side or your customers got screwed when you shipped them packages. i did follow where it is somehow UPS's fault and you think fedex can do just as well. are you saying their DRIVERS can service their customers better? that is an insult to all the UPS drivers, not me.

best!

UPSsalesguy.

[dannyboy]

Pman, I appologize for hijacking your thread. I will continue the spanking of SG elsewhere.

Although he does bring out another of his delusional posts here

ok, say those shares are still hte only outstanding..not sure that is the case...didnt they split once?

anyway....109,400,000 x $55/share = 6,017,000,000 /400,000 employees = $15042.50


make it happen.

Funny, a large percentage of our employees are part time, and 15 grand is more than they make in a year.

Make it happen my big ole fuzzy butt.

What a putz

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[upssalesguy]

Originally Posted by dannyboy

Pman, I appologize for hijacking your thread. I will continue the spanking of SG elsewhere.

Although he does bring out another of his delusional posts here Funny, a large percentage of our employees are part time, and 15 grand is more than they make in a year.

Make it happen my big ole fuzzy butt.

What a putz

d

when did i say everyone had to participate. 15k is not that much in the grand scheme of things...its the company that needs to make it happen you dolt. i was on the side of the people saying we should go back private.

god your hate for all things management is sickening.

[upssalesguy]

Originally Posted by FedEX 4 Life

oh be quiet,stop posting

shouldnt you be following around mr fedex or getting ready for one of your part time shifts that pay you $30 per hour?

[upssalesguy]

Originally Posted by FedEX 4 Life

you're posts are boring and repetitive.We are asking you nicely to stop.

i'm really not interested in your advice.

[satellitedriver]

Originally Posted by upssalesguy

you are such a simple man dannyboy.

True,
dannyboy is a simple man.
You, on the other hand, seem to be just simplistic.
Simple is not a definition of stupidity or ignorance..
One can live a simple life and be a simple man.
Just three quick examples;
Jesus
Buddha
Gandhi
Not that I place danny on their plane, but you should get the simple reference.

[upssalesguy]

Originally Posted by satellitedriver

True,
dannyboy is a simple man.
You, on the other hand, seem to be just simplistic.
Simple is not a definition of stupidity or ignorance..
One can live a simple life and be a simple man.
Just three quick examples;
Jesus
Buddha
Gandhi
Not that I place danny on their plane, but you should get the simple reference.

no, i really don't....but I get your point - whatever i say is wrong.


danny sounds like he actully lives a very complicated double life.

[satellitedriver]

Originally Posted by upssalesguy

i didnt learn this business at a school. i learned it by doing the same thing you have for allllllllll those years - serving our customers.

How many years at UPS?
How many years driving?
How many years promising (not selling) service?
Simple questions.
Will you answer them?

[satellitedriver]

Originally Posted by upssalesguy

no, i really don't.... It was a simple one, sorry if it was too complicated for you. but I get your point - whatever i say is wrong.
I have never pressed that point.


danny sounds like he actully lives a very complicated double (double?) life.

[upssalesguy]

Originally Posted by satellitedriver

How many years at UPS?
How many years driving?
How many years promising (not selling) service?
Simple questions.
Will you answer them?

why do I need to stoop to your level? i never insluted anyones job at this company, allthough mine is berated constantly. - see your post for example.

i am going to always play the other side of the coin and not let people badmouth UPS and our managers all the time. there is no dispute that drivers are the face of our company. some drivers have no respect for other people in the organization and it is sickening and I am not going to let it go unoticed. you should start a management only board if you want to play it fair.

night everyone. I have a job to do tomorrow. or a paycheck to steal - whatever makes you sleep better.

[satellitedriver]

Originally Posted by upssalesguy

why do I need to stoop to your level? i never insluted anyones job at this company, allthough mine is berated constantly. - see your post for example.

i am going to always play the other side of the coin and not let people badmouth UPS and our managers all the time. there is no dispute that drivers are the face of our company. some drivers have no respect for other people in the organization and it is sickening and I am not going to let it go unoticed. you should start a management only board if you want to play it fair.

night everyone. I have a job to do tomorrow. or a paycheck to steal - whatever makes you sleep better.

No need for you to stoop to my level, if you tried you would only fall off the shoulders that hoist you up, to your lofty position.
You will not answer the simple questions from my last post.
That is very telling.
Wrong, my newbie, hotshot "salesman" friend, it is you that should start a management only board.
Really sounds counter productive having everyone saying the same thing to each other.
I am just a lowly, non-management worker and management has made it clear that my experience and area knowledge is worthless.
If you can "sell" it, I can deliver it, just don't expect me to do both our jobs.

[dannyboy]

Sat, I think the boy just cant get it.

danny sounds like he actully lives a very complicated double life.

Not a double life, but a very full life that has so many hours in it, that maybe it should be two lives. While life is complicated, mine is pretty simple (except for the 6 days the IRS was here(I guess they found out I voted against Obamer)), but very very busy.

Dealing with all the regulations, making sure the spray truck is maintained, has all the proper documentation, Hazmat stickers, the MSDS books for everything in it, and another in the shop, Sales people wanting me to buy their stuff or switch to their service, (service is all you have to sell me on, but even that is now gone), Tax collectors wanting their share, employees all wanting more, each with personal problems that need addressing. And that is all before lunch. Then we get to go out and deal with customers, construction issues, permits and deadlines, traveling to other states to court new customers, make sales presentations, and the day goes on.

AFter the store closes, spend time doing proposals, billing, return emails, work on the website, and document what I did with my day for the IRS. (did I mention I voted against Obama?)

Come and spend a day with me, one of the customers you are trying to keep/lose/who knows, from day to day the way UPS treats its customers. But dont play your guilt games when I switch to Fedex because of the way you treat my business.

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[coldworld]

Whatever anybody thinks of upssalesguy, the issues happening right now and for the last few years are comming from way above salesguy level. Maybe he needs to convey to his superiors how this company is treating customers and what needs to be done to fix it. Usually fixing things starts from inside ups and trying to get those things in order and the customer part hopefully works itself out.

[dannyboy]

I dont think Bush was all that great. But with the choices we had......I was kinda betting on Palin and a heart attack......

I think Obama will serve a purpose. Sometimes a giant has to be knocked to its knees before the giant wakes up to what is actually going on. Kinda like the Carter years.

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[dannyboy]

Market share loss.

I saw it happening as a driver, I see it happening as a customer.

I think that because we answer to shareholders, we have become penny wise, pound foolish.

Maybe that is what the stock buyers are seeing?

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[coldworld]

Originally Posted by dannyboy

Market share loss.

I saw it happening as a driver, I see it happening as a customer.

I think that because we answer to shareholders, we have become penny wise, pound foolish.

Maybe that is what the stock buyers are seeing?

d

Does anybody besides me find this disturbing??

[upssalesguy]

Originally Posted by FedEX 4 Life

Dude i will pay you to stop posting.Do you accept Paypal?

i'll stop if you'll stop. sound like a deal?

[Jones]

Originally Posted by upssalesguy

i'll stop if you'll stop. sound like a deal?

Maybe you should at least try to do your job, instead of spending all your time in the internet arguing with the people who pay your salary.

[Solidarity413]

Originally Posted by Jones

Maybe you should at least try to do your job, instead of spending all your time in the internet arguing with the people who pay your salary.

I thought getting off early made my day, this was good laugh.

[dannyboy]

Does anybody besides me find this disturbing??

Cold world

I find sleeze guy's philosophy interesting. Dont like the message, shoot or demean the messenger, then there is no problem with the message.

Or in other words, sweep the dirt under the rug, and call the room clean.

Im sorry that dreamers like him dont like what we have to say. I worked alongside of some very talented people as we grew this great company to new and greater heights. And what made it great is that we were focused on the customer, a real team effort to take care of their needs, where local management was actually able to manage something.

Not this new "team" that they are trying to push were you are nothing but a gatherer of leads.

Fedex can be beaten by UPS. But the public view is that they are more reliable, better able to meet the customers needs than UPS.

I would suggest that there is the difference between what the stock is actually worth, and what people think it is worth. We have less debt, we have positive earnings when they are almost 1.5 billion in the opposite direction, but yet their stock with people is rated better.

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[clueless]

As far as how a stock is valued--P-Man summed it up pretty much in a nutshell:

The overly simple answer is that the stock market looks at what current earnings are plus what they think FUTURE earnings will be for that stock stock.

All things being equal, as earnings grow, stock price should grow.

Of course there are many other factors, but the growth in FedEx stock is based on the fact that they are (or are seen) as growing.

P-Man

Theoretically, the stock price reflects the net present value of expected future cash flows discounted at the cost of capital. Those expected future cash flows involve growth projections. The discount rate is based on perceived risk (as well as the risk free rate of return which is reflected by gov't T bond rates). There are many factors affecting cash flows--these involve economy-related, industry-related, and company-related conditions. For example, the macroeconomy and market share which affect the top-line, operating margins, tax rates, capex requirements, etc. So if assumptions about any of those variable change, the stock price will change. Always, remember, in stock valuation, expectations are critical.

As far as the market cap discussion-- for the record, as of this morning (before-the-bell) the market cap of the companies discussed thus far is as following:

UPS 53.93B
FDX 20.80B

GOOG 140.15B
YHOO 24.04B

As far as 'valuation', look at relative valuation to compare apples-to-apples--keeping in mind a company is 'cheaper' when it has a lower relative valuation.

P/S (how much you're paying for each dollar of sales)

UPS 1.13
FDX .59

GOOG 6.31
YHOO 3.56

P/E ( how much you're paying for each dollar of earnings)

UPS 26.32
FDX 212.07

GOOG 30.85
YHOO 5666.67

PEG (p/e divided by expected growth rate)

UPS 3.14
FDX 4.59

GOOG 1.09
YHOO 3.08

As far as a buyout to go private-- You have to look at enterprise value (market cap + debt - cash), not just market cap, since you need to pay-off the debtholders as well as the shareholders, but when the company has cash on its books, that will mitigate some of the cost. It would, in theory, require approximately $62B to acquire the company (the L-T debt is about $9B, S-T portion of L-T debt around $3B and cash around $4B). However, in practice, a premium must almost always be added to the current stock price to get shareholder approval for the deal. So, it would be more than $62B in reality.

[upsladydriver]

Originally Posted by BLACKBOX

I don't get it. At one time, just recently in fact, FDX stock price was below ours, now almost $12.00 higher and expanding everyday. I'm a stock novice so clue me in how FDX is climbing, while our seems stuck in the mud.

Because Fedex only has millions of shares out, we have billions.

[ups79]

UPS has been buying shares. They no longer have 1 Billion out, actually they only have 995 million, which is a long way from "billions"(your word).

[Hoaxster]

Originally Posted by coldworld

Does anybody besides me find this disturbing??

I'm disturbed.