Fuel Prices

[brett636]

Originally Posted by helenofcalifornia

Is a hydrogen car anywhere near in the future?

The hydrogen powered car is already here. http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/

[UpstateNYUPSer]

Brett, don't tell BBAG--he is convinced that hyrdogen cars will never be cost-effective enough for mass production. Something about fuel cells, infrastructure concerns and, oh yeah, a flux capacitor.

[New Englander]

Or one that actually has something to do directly with us.

http://www.epa.gov/fuelcell/program.htm

[alister]

Originally Posted by But Benefits Are Great!

Hydrogen will (eventually) be used in fuel cells, which generate electricity, which will run electric hub-motors.. It will never be used to burn in an engine like gasoline is today.

Fuel cells are too expensive. The technology is there now, just no hydrogen infrastructure, plus the cells are more expensive than plutonium.

never say never

http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-9960833-54.html

[alister]

Originally Posted by rushfan

Do you remember the balloon with hydrogen experiment in junior high school science class? My concern all of our package cars would have the potential of becoming package bombs on wheels.

They said the same thing about gasoline when it first started being used.

[UpstateNYUPSer]

Originally Posted by alister

They said the same thing about gasoline when it first started being used.

And they also swore up and down that the world was flat.

[UpstateNYUPSer]

Originally Posted by New Englander

Or one that actually has something to do directly with us.

http://www.epa.gov/fuelcell/program.htm

Good post--the link was informative.

[New Englander]

I'm not always being an arse you know

[UpstateNYUPSer]

Originally Posted by New Englander

I'm not always being an arse you know

I wonder if padding stops depends upon the fuel source. JK.

[But Benefits Are Great!]

Sigh - Yes, you can burn hydrogen in a car. It does work. It compares to using a fine Stradivarius Violin to beat on a bongo drum. It works, but it is a waste of a fine violin.

Hydrogen will be used in fuel cell powered cars en masse, unlike burning Hydrogen in an Internal Combustian Engine.

Believe it or not, this is one of the few things in the world I actually DO know about, but I'll scoot off this thread.

[UpstateNYUPSer]

Buh-bye. Don't forget your lovely parting gift on your way out the door.

[New Englander]

Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

I wonder if padding stops depends upon the fuel source. JK.

Only if there are orientation arrows.

Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

I wonder if padding stops depends upon the fuel source. JK.

You can pad your fuel stops by filling up halfway, stopping the pump, and then filling up the rest of your tank at the same pump. You've gotten credit for stopping twice for fuel when you actually just stopped in one location! You have 2 receipts for fuel from one stop!

[alister]

Originally Posted by But Benefits Are Great!

Sigh - Yes, you can burn hydrogen in a car. It does work. It compares to using a fine Stradivarius Violin to beat on a bongo drum. It works, but it is a waste of a fine violin.

Hydrogen will be used in fuel cell powered cars en masse, unlike burning Hydrogen in an Internal Combustian Engine.

Believe it or not, this is one of the few things in the world I actually DO know about, but I'll scoot off this thread.

well, you did say never and i didn't say it would be efficient, but thanks for correcting me anyways.

[alister]

Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

And they also swore up and down that the world was flat.

there still people that swear the earth is flat.

here are two interesting web pages i found

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/danger...ogen-fuel2.htm
(i know its a howstuffworks web page but it does seem somewhat acurate. maybe BBAG wrote it)

http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/11/26/...collaborative/
(interestingly but pretty far fetch. I like it because of the plan to use algae to produce the hydrogen)

Originally Posted by But Benefits Are Great!

...groan... That's, uh, not how it works.

The energy needed to seperate water into its' common elements is more than the energy produced by combining (burning) them. Physics, conservation of energy. No such thing as a car that runs on water.

i believe the energy derived from hydrogen is actually a byproduct of combining hydrogen with oxygen to produce water. when the hydrogen and oxygen molecules fuse together the reaction produces energy and water. the energy is used to run the vehicle (not easy) and the water is the exhaust so to speak.

[Mike Hawk]

Originally Posted by will work for pas

i believe the energy derived from hydrogen is actually a byproduct of combining hydrogen with oxygen to produce water. when the hydrogen and oxygen molecules fuse together the reaction produces energy and water. the energy is used to run the vehicle (not easy) and the water is the exhaust so to speak.

That’s how a fuel cell car works, some use hydrogen in a combustion engine in addition to gasoline, so less gasoline gets used and the car gets better MPG.

PS watch out for Tieguy, he will call you an arrogant site scab for not registering!

[IWorkAsDirected]

Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

BBAG, you may want to research the topic a bit more before you reply. A hydrogen prototype has been developed and is being tested and optimistic predictions put intial production and availability at 5 yrs, probably closer to 10.

True, I belive it is Honda which has developed one.

[mikestrek]

Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

Fuel 1st Qtr 2018 - Zero

Why? UPS will have converted its entire fleet to hydrogen, which has zero emission exhaust (water) and has advanced the technology to the point where each vehicle regenerates its own fuel source throughout the day, which means that each vehicle would only need an initial fill and then would be self-sufficient.

Good Call.

[mikestrek]

Originally Posted by brett636

The hydrogen powered car is already here. http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/

I had no idea, Hey That's in California. I want one. $600.00 month lease with no monthly fuel costs. I'm there. Count me in.

[filthpig]

Originally Posted by helenofcalifornia

Is a hydrogen car anywhere near in the future?

BMW makes one now according to their commercials.

[trplnkl]

Originally Posted by hseofpayne

You can pad your fuel stops by filling up halfway, stopping the pump, and then filling up the rest of your tank at the same pump. You've gotten credit for stopping twice for fuel when you actually just stopped in one location! You have 2 receipts for fuel from one stop!

If you are going to falsify records I would recommend not doing it with a tactic so easily proven that you are cheating. Those little receipts have the time of day printed on them.