To Trace or Not to Trace

Hey, y dont you jsut skip your lunch to get the job done. it does not matter what you take for notes. 30 days is like a pass for sup's. skip your lunch day 31 take your lunch and get the ors on the car with you to adjust the trace to make it work for you. with the economy and cutting runs and cost. mang. is just looking for reasons to get rid of the drivers that run o/a. don break trace that will make you look worse than you really are. if you break trace it takes away from your on area allowance and starts using your to and from. have ors adjusts the streets in pas to make it work for you. believe me if it works for you it will definetly work for your ors. if you look good -he looks good. this is a team effort there is no need to fight against each other. we are all here for the same reasons. to provide for our families. you just deliver and we train

[New Englander]

Originally Posted by justgetitdone

Hey, y dont you jsut skip your lunch to get the job done. it does not matter what you take for notes. 30 days is like a pass for sup's. skip your lunch day 31 take your lunch and get the ors on the car with you to adjust the trace to make it work for you. with the economy and cutting runs and cost. mang. is just looking for reasons to get rid of the drivers that run o/a. don break trace that will make you look worse than you really are. if you break trace it takes away from your on area allowance and starts using your to and from. have ors adjusts the streets in pas to make it work for you. believe me if it works for you it will definetly work for your ors. if you look good -he looks good. this is a team effort there is no need to fight against each other. we are all here for the same reasons. to provide for our families. you just deliver and we train

This was written by management? My god is this company going down the tubes!

Originally Posted by trplnkl

I agree it makes no sense, but since when does UPS make sense? My problem with trying to fix trace is that I am a cover driver, I have no right to mess with another drivers EDD.
If management would cooperate and pay me, I could work in the center for two weeks and fix the EDD of about 5 routes that could get the brown truck loaded almost stop for stop. But NOOOOOOOOOO, not even a consideration.(of course I would work with the regular driver to do this)

When I was on comp I tried to get the CM to let me work on a couple of routes while on TWA but he was so determined to punish me for getting hurt that anything I suggested I do to help was squelched. Instead his idea of my best use of TWA time was to wash feeder tractors with one arm.

Thats a hoot, man! When I was on my 29 days of TAW after my wreck, there were 3 other guys on TAW. They would clock in and disappear, some even went upstairs in the A/C and slept! I worked on my EDD and put the word out that if anybody needed their EDD changed, write it down and I would fix it. I also played OMS. Once the CM caught the others screwing off, he banished me outside in the heat fueling cars and washing them, too, even though my work restrictions said I couldn't do anything above my shoulders. I did have some of the cleanest lower half cars in town, though! I got punished for the other 3, and a lot of EDD changes didn't get done, but hey, at least the CM got his revenge!

Originally Posted by New Englander

This was written by management? My god is this company going down the tubes!

Sounds more like Git R Done philosophy!

[New Englander]

Originally Posted by hseofpayne

Sounds more like Git R Done philosophy!

I was talking more about the actual post and not it's meaning.

Originally Posted by New Englander

I was talking more about the actual post and not it's meaning.

I was talking about the philosophy and not the actual post.

[New Englander]

Originally Posted by hseofpayne

I was talking about the philosophy and not the actual post.

Ha!

Originally Posted by New Englander

This was written by management? My god is this company going down the tubes!

yes it was written by mangt. but also that i have worked for ups since 96. been through the strike, lost out on money for school because greedy full time drivers wanted more money and did not care about the preloaders. had to sit and watch people get promoted that should not have been only because they had more senority than me. you want the job you do what needs to be done. if skipping your lunch gets you a 28 dollar/hour job then heck ya i am gonna do it. but dont forget that all the time that you drivers spend pre sheeting your car is not part of the methods. if you do that you do that on your time. also if you are a bonus center. if you skip your lunch you typically get it back in bonus. everyone always complains that they hate there job so much....but.......you are still working here....right. that just says that 1 there is atleast something you like about this job...or 2 you are just to lazy to look for another job...which means you have no drive and that since you are lazy you dont want to leave a job that has a union to protect lazy workers. which in turn gives us sups a bad name because we cant get rid of the lazy workers... which is why we end up rewarding good work with more work

i am out

[New Englander]

Originally Posted by justdoyourjob

yes it was written by mangt. but also that i have worked for ups since 96. been through the strike, lost out on money for school because greedy full time drivers wanted more money and did not care about the preloaders. had to sit and watch people get promoted that should not have been only because they had more senority than me. you want the job you do what needs to be done. if skipping your lunch gets you a 28 dollar/hour job then heck ya i am gonna do it. but dont forget that all the time that you drivers spend pre sheeting your car is not part of the methods. if you do that you do that on your time. also if you are a bonus center. if you skip your lunch you typically get it back in bonus. everyone always complains that they hate there job so much....but.......you are still working here....right. that just says that 1 there is atleast something you like about this job...or 2 you are just to lazy to look for another job...which means you have no drive and that since you are lazy you dont want to leave a job that has a union to protect lazy workers. which in turn gives us sups a bad name because we cant get rid of the lazy workers... which is why we end up rewarding good work with more work

i am out

Damn dude.....sorry you lost out on money for school. You obviously really needed it.

I stand by my original post! I'm scared for this company with whats leading us!

[tourists24]

Originally Posted by justdoyourjob

yes it was written by mangt. but also that i have worked for ups since 96. been through the strike, lost out on money for school because greedy full time drivers wanted more money and did not care about the preloaders. had to sit and watch people get promoted that should not have been only because they had more senority than me. you want the job you do what needs to be done. if skipping your lunch gets you a 28 dollar/hour job then heck ya i am gonna do it. but dont forget that all the time that you drivers spend pre sheeting your car is not part of the methods. if you do that you do that on your time. also if you are a bonus center. if you skip your lunch you typically get it back in bonus. everyone always complains that they hate there job so much....but.......you are still working here....right. that just says that 1 there is atleast something you like about this job...or 2 you are just to lazy to look for another job...which means you have no drive and that since you are lazy you dont want to leave a job that has a union to protect lazy workers. which in turn gives us sups a bad name because we cant get rid of the lazy workers... which is why we end up rewarding good work with more work

i am out

too bad you have to hide behind anonymous post.... not much to respond about things til you stop hiding,,, except I want to know who all these "lazy" drivers are.... sure there are some slower than others but Im not sure I know any lazy ones. I DO know those run n gunners that dont follow the methods, but with age they too will slow down.

[New Englander]

You can "run and gun" while still following the methods. Thats a crutch used far too often. Sure there are some who just don't care about following the methods but I've also seen "slower" drivers who are just as bad in regards to the methods.

If you want to work at a faster pace then your fellow coworker. It's your choice.

[dilligaf]

Originally Posted by tourists24

I DO know those run n gunners that dont follow the methods, but with age they too will slow down.

Or have multiple surgeries like one of ours just did. He has been driving for less than 5 yrs.

[trplnkl]

Originally Posted by justdoyourjob

yes it was written by mangt. but also that i have worked for ups since 96. been through the strike, lost out on money for school because greedy full time drivers wanted more money and did not care about the preloaders. had to sit and watch people get promoted that should not have been only because they had more senority than me. you want the job you do what needs to be done. if skipping your lunch gets you a 28 dollar/hour job then heck ya i am gonna do it. but dont forget that all the time that you drivers spend pre sheeting your car is not part of the methods. if you do that you do that on your time. also if you are a bonus center. if you skip your lunch you typically get it back in bonus. everyone always complains that they hate there job so much....but.......you are still working here....right. that just says that 1 there is atleast something you like about this job...or 2 you are just to lazy to look for another job...which means you have no drive and that since you are lazy you dont want to leave a job that has a union to protect lazy workers. which in turn gives us sups a bad name because we cant get rid of the lazy workers... which is why we end up rewarding good work with more work

i am out

If you really think the drivers were all about more money, you are listening to the wrong people. The strike was more over the pension being given to the company (yes just as it is now) and few drivers felt that was a good choice. The pension is about the future not today,And guess what, the pension is for preloaders too.
The lose of education money was about public stock, not the contract nor the strike.
There is something the drives like about their jobs, it's called a fair days pay for a fair days work, and most of the complaining on this forum is because the "fair days work" has morphed into a "fair day and a half work, for a fair days pay". Add to that the inconsistencies coming from the company and you have poor driver morale and bitching. Add to that preloaders that the bulk of their training consists of "Just get it in the right truck, if it's on the right shelf even better". We have PT sups "leading" preloaders that have no idea how to actually load a truck themselves, much less know how to train anyone. Id it any wonder why drivers are unhappy?
Granted ,there are many drivers on here that have good attitudes. Some because they happen to work in a center that has a good over all management team, some in spite of having a poor team.
Before you start accusing any drivers of being lazy, maybe you should follow one around for a day, if you make though the day then you might have a right to comment on their work ethics.

[dilligaf]

Originally Posted by trplnkl

Before you start accusing any drivers of being lazy, maybe you should follow one around for a day, if you make though the day then you might have a right to comment on their work ethics.

Make it through a day? Naaa, try making it through 6 months and then I might allow him to comment on my work ethics. One day does not make an expert, or for that matter, neither does 6 months. I've been doing it for 2 yrs and I am still learning new things.

[UpstateNYUPSer]

Originally Posted by New Englander

This was written by management? My god is this company going down the tubes!

They are trying to save money by not installing "Spell Check 2000" on the office computers. As far as the poor grammar and punctuation, I blame our public school systems.

As far as the lazy driver comment, I would like to personally invite Clueless to come up to Plattsburgh this peak and be my helper. He wouldn't last 2 hours.

[New Englander]

Most helpers have absolutely no idea what they are getting into watching the UPS driver sit and drive on the rural type routes while they are running

[BrownSuit]

Originally Posted by justdoyourjob

lost out on money for school

You should probably look into going back.

I got the impression that the individual is NOT in management, but a PT sup who is somewhat envious of the drivers and the pay. Sounds like he got skipped over a few times because he was never able to finish school.

Speaking of Laziness, there is this thing called spell check and completely writing out all of your words.

Those people who had seniority, did it ever occur to you that they might appreciate the work that the drivers do and get a clue about the big picture? The drivers walked out on Strike in '97, everything came to a screeching halt, despite Management's attempts to continue some service.

Once the drivers came back, it took almost 30 days for every package in the system to get moving again. Was that laziness or does it go to prove the importance of every part of the UPS Machine?

Look in a mirror yourself and ask why you are working for Uncle Brown.

[browniehound]

I don't know where to begin with his post, so I'll just start, lol!

First, you cannot work at UPS and be a lazy person. There might be some positions where laziness is tolerated, but these are few and far between. If you work in operations in any capacity then you are far from the average person's definition of lazy.

I know about 100 drivers. Out of this group, I know 2 drivers with whom I would classify as lazy. They simply don't get it and don't pull their own weight. The other 98% work harder than 99.9% of America.

Second, I could justifiably call you lazy for not proofreading your post and correcting all the spelling and gramatical errors in it. I don't expect you to be perfect, but your post is full of mistakes that could be fixed with a simple click (spell check) of the mouse. To me, that is being lazy.

Lastly, I'm sorry the negotiations didn't go your way in regards to college financial aid, but frankly I don't care. You make up a small percentage of the UPS workforce. Apparently you were counting on help from UPS in the last contract. When you are done thinking about yourself, think about the 80,000 American drivers who are counting on UPS to provide something (anything maybe???) at retirement after decades of service.

I'm sorry, but you have other avenues to pursue to get money for college. These include work, loans, government aid, scholarships, savings, parents and grandparents. The older UPS employee has little alternatives if he didn't save starting in 1980. He is counting on that pension. He's maxing out the 401k now but its not going to be enough unless he's in his 20's. Social Security is another doubtful leg to stand on.

So, as a part-time employee do you think our full-time employees who worked over 3 decades at UPS should be considered first in the allocation of funds so that they don't have to eat a can of dog-food for lunch to make ends meet? Or Should the money be directed at people like yourself who will use it to take liberal-arts courses at the state university(maintaning a 2.1 GPA) for 2 years while you try to "decide" what you will major in?

Tell me you want to be a dentist, doctor, scientist, etc and have a 4.0 as an undergraduate at a state U. If you need funds to pay for graduate school at a big time private college that you have already been accepted to, then I would like to see UPS throw money in this direction and to employees children at the detriment of my retirement.