Insubordination!!!!!

[New Englander]

Blah blah blah blah......

Honestly dude. It's the internet. I really don't care if you believe me or not. I will still get up every morning and go into UPS, finish my day and come home.

I have been instructed to take my full lunch via a warning letter. Yet we still routinely have drivers NOT taking their full lunches and not recording a full lunch in their boards. With no reprimand or letter. Still happening today.

Why wouldn't the local BA agree with me? Duh...I was the vocal leader of a group of us at our center on this lunch issue. I was singled out and the only one to get the letter. Even the CM told myself and the steward (when I questioned the letter) that other drivers would be getting it as well. In 2 months no one else did. I was told by the CM that they were sick of hearing about it last time I questioned that.

So here we are today. Drivers still not taking their lunch or recording the full lunch on any given day. No warnings given to them - yet I'm still being forced to comply.

Either it's a case of extreme laziness or a case of unfair treatment to me. The answer will come as soon as the process is finished.

So yeah....it's a pretty well thought out story to be making it up on the fly, no?

You do realize every time some on files for a manager working it's a direct challenge to them. Most of the time you go up to a supervisor and ask to get paid for them working they say no. So you challenge them and file.

[trplnkl]

Well, geez, it's a challenge to management anytime you file a grievance. But it still isn't the same as standing flat footed and refusing to work as directed.
I challenge management decisions also, but I don't refuse to do as I am told. When doing as I'm told creates a problem, I am first in line to say, " I told ya so, when are you gonna start listenin?"

[Storm723]

Originally Posted by New Englander

Honestly dude. It's the internet. I really don't care if you believe me or not. I will still get up every morning and go into UPS, finish my day and come home.

OMG!! I have to tell you and I mean no disrespect nor am I trying to interrupt the family fued, but the above made me laugh. Here's why...

I remember way back in basic training we had this soldier that (pretended) to try to commit suicide as to get out (pressure was too much) and everyday the Drill SGT made that soldier carry his bunk from the 3rd floor to the 1st floor and set it up outside the CO's office, they then proceeded to wake the soldier up every hour to make sure that he wasn't dead.

Anyway, the part that made me laugh was that after that the Drill SGT told us... "Listen PVT's, you can try to commit suicide as much as ya want, you can even go out to the water tower and jump off... here is the one thing I promise you PVT's, the rest of us are still going to wake up, march past ya, and do PT"

Anyway....had to laugh!! Sorry to interrupt....

[New Englander]

Originally Posted by Storm723

OMG!! I have to tell you and I mean no disrespect nor am I trying to interrupt the family fued, but the above made me laugh. Here's why...

I remember way back in basic training we had this soldier that (pretended) to try to commit suicide as to get out (pressure was too much) and everyday the Drill SGT made that soldier carry his bunk from the 3rd floor to the 1st floor and set it up outside the CO's office, they then proceeded to wake the soldier up every hour to make sure that he wasn't dead.

Anyway, the part that made me laugh was that after that the Drill SGT told us... "Listen PVT's, you can try to commit suicide as much as ya want, you can even go out to the water tower and jump off... here is the one thing I promise you PVT's, the rest of us are still going to wake up, march past ya, and do PT"

Anyway....had to laugh!! Sorry to interrupt....

I also remember the movie Full Metal Jacket, it could go both ways

[New Englander]

Originally Posted by trplnkl

Well, geez, it's a challenge to management anytime you file a grievance. But it still isn't the same as standing flat footed and refusing to work as directed.
I challenge management decisions also, but I don't refuse to do as I am told. When doing as I'm told creates a problem, I am first in line to say, " I told ya so, when are you gonna start listenin?"

It's not directly the same but it is a challenge. I stood flat footed to both the CM and DM up in the CM's office.

I was not fired I was given a warning letter. As it is.....in my 5 going on 6 years I have not even heard of one driver getting fired for any reason in any center near to me.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by New Englander

It's not directly the same but it is a challenge. I stood flat footed to both the CM and DM up in the CM's office.

I was not fired I was given a warning letter. As it is.....in my 5 going on 6 years I have not even heard of one driver getting fired for any reason in any center near to me.

your my hero. Way to stand up to those bullies. Who the heck do they think they are trying to act like their the boss or something.

[MonavieLeaker]

Originally Posted by outamyway

Like I said, it seemed to me the sup was being an Ahole. I don't like people telling me what to do, I certainly wouldn't let an Aholes tell me what to do, contract or not. I have no respect for supervisors treating employees like garbage.

Doesn't it say in the contract that supervisor should treat employees with respect? Oh, that's right, management can violate the contract when ever they feel fit to do so.

Hes a sup its his respnosibility to instruct his employees what to do...within reason of course

[upsguy33]

Now on the other side of the rollers was a real mess. The loader was getting his butt handed to him all morning long. It had at this point become backed up to the next set of trucks. Belt was being shut off, rung looking for help. All mgnt did was look and start the belt back up. Eventually the f/t sup comes down and says to me "get over hear and help him clean up his side."

If the f/t sup knew how to do his/her job correctly, you wouldn't be in this mess, right?

[dannyboy]

As it is.....in my 5 going on 6 years I have not even heard of one driver getting fired for any reason in any center near to me.

Your experience tops my 33 years, mostly as a driver and shop steward for sure. And since you have seen more and done more, that makes you the top dog in this conversation.

So since your life experiences have shown you everything, and you dont know of any people losing their job at UPS, I will cease to attempt to change your mind.

Best to you and keep on getting into their faces!

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[UpstateNYUPSer]

Ah, daniel son, sarcasm.

[drewed]

Why cant we all get along?

[dannyboy]

Not really. I was serious about him standing up to management. That way he knows he is the one that is responsible for his own demise.

Wait,........ thats not how it goes. The way it plays out is that in a year or so, he comes back and posts "just fired for no good reason, what now?" And in the post he goes on and on how management is stupid, and they fired him for their stupidity, cause all he did was brought their stupidity to their attention very politely in a calm manner.

Sound familiar?

Why cant we all get along?

I am, I am letting him win his argument. case closed!
d

[UpstateNYUPSer]

Originally Posted by MonavieLeaker

Hes a sup its his respnosibility to instruct his employees what to do...within reason of course

Exactly. If you are asked to do something and what you are being asked to do is not unsafe then shut your yap and do it. If you still feel as though what you were asked to do was wrong, calmly question your sup after the crisis is over and when tensions have subsided.

[New Englander]

Originally Posted by tieguy

your my hero. Way to stand up to those bullies. Who the heck do they think they are trying to act like their the boss or something.

No Tie, your my hero!