to fire or not to fire, that is the question!

07-05-2008, 12:27 PM

Hypothetical situation: While the preload shift is running, a crushed box missing most of its contents somehow makes it from the sort aisle around to the car loaders belt. One of the PT sups, a young inexperienced fella, picks up the box and a can of silly string falls out. He proceeds to spray the string about the belt on the preloaders. All of the loaders on the belt partake in the criminal behavior. Please choose from the list below what you would believe to be the proper punishment

1. Take into consideration the youth and lack of experience of the PT supervisor and the lack of proper guidance given to the preloaders and let them off with a stern warning after reading them the riot act about theft.

2. Fire the PT supervisor for providing such a poor example for his preloaders.

3. Fire the PT supervisor, the preloaders, and the PT sups supervisor.

4. Off with all of their hands!

soberups · 07-05-2008, 12:31 PM

Fire the PT supervisor. Warning letters for the hourlies, since the PT sup started it all and is supposed to be setting the example.

But Benefits Are Great! · 07-05-2008, 12:33 PM

Hey, at least this poll is worded in a neutral, non-biased way. What, no "bring them all out to Hooter's for a party" option?

07-05-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by But Benefits Are Great!

Hey, at least this poll is worded in a neutral, non-biased way. What, no "bring them all out to Hooter's for a party" option?

still not funny! you're not even trying

But Benefits Are Great! · 07-05-2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hseofpayne

still not funny! you're not even trying

House - I'm serious now - This is like watching a car wreck in slow motion, your melting down. Go get some rest.

tieguy · 07-05-2008, 12:41 PM

wording of the poll is clearly designed to recieve a lenient response.

looper804 · 07-05-2008, 12:43 PM

I vote leniency,they are young and inexperienced.But if the sup screws up again then i vote off with his head.

UpstateNYUPSer · 07-05-2008, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tieguy

wording of the poll is clearly designed to recieve a lenient response.

Are you saying that the polling questions have been designed to give the result which the pollster is seeking? Perhaps he should be working at CNN rather than UPS.

As for the poll, I have had a chance to think about it and think that, at a minimum, the PT sup should be terminated and any other hourlies who participated should be given a one day suspension w/o pay. The suspension days would be staggered so as not to impact the operation.

07-05-2008, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tieguy

wording of the poll is clearly designed to recieve a lenient response.

Wording doesn't matter with the blood thirsty crowd on here! I have provided several bloody options, you are free to choose from the more brutal choices.

Baba gounj · 07-05-2008, 12:51 PM

During my many years of loading feeders I have seen many such acts as this one. It is all " part of the business " we are in . Keep your workers happy and there are less issues to deal with.
I really enjoyed the time we had all those replica handguns to practice our quick draws with.

looper804 · 07-05-2008, 12:53 PM

My opinion is it if it ain't yours and you take it out of the box you are stealing.

looper804 · 07-05-2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Baba gounj

During my many years of loading feeders I have seen many such acts as this one. It is all " part of the business " we are in . Keep your workers happy and there are less issues to deal with.
I really enjoyed the time we had all those replica handguns to practice our quick draws with.

I don't think I am in the same business as you.I just deliver and pick them up without taking anything that is inside of them.

07-05-2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by But Benefits Are Great!

House - I'm serious now - This is like watching a car wreck in slow motion, your melting down. Go get some rest.

Funny thing about perception, we all see things differently. My vision is me having fun watching y'all show how high and mighty y'all think you are when I know you would want leniancy if you broke some other rule at UPS, say you forgot, just once, to put on your seatbelt. I know y'all say do the crime do the time, but I wonder if you would just leave w/o a fight if you got fired for your first rule infraction. Believe me, I am sitting here laughing my behind off at the executioners row!

07-05-2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Baba gounj

During my many years of loading feeders I have seen many such acts as this one. It is all " part of the business " we are in . Keep your workers happy and there are less issues to deal with.
I really enjoyed the time we had all those replica handguns to practice our quick draws with.

Quick Baba gounj, make a run for it, I will provide suppression fire! You gone wish you had a real gun before the purveyors of justice are through with you!

Diegotron · 07-05-2008, 01:09 PM

Forgetting to put a seatbelt on versus knowingly taking something out of a box and knowingly breaking a rule. The seatbelt can be put on minutes later when said person remembers, the silly string cannot be put back in the can and delivered. Anyways, I voted off with the hands. House keep trying to be funny, you're like Kathy Griffin.

Off to the movies.

Baba gounj · 07-05-2008, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by looper804

I don't think I am in the same business as you.I just deliver and pick them up without taking anything that is inside of them.

We just played with them. Typical poor packing of materials, damn thing broke open, and several people were needed to repackage it.

Haven't you really wondered just whats inside ? Had a rolex watch guy who claimed to be sending out a lot of watches, when in fact he was shipping near empty boxes to collect the insurance. I also love the ones that smell of mustard, can't fool me...damn potheads.

looper804 · 07-05-2008, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Baba gounj

We just played with them. Typical poor packing of materials, damn thing broke open, and several people were needed to repackage it.

Haven't you really wondered just whats inside ? Had a rolex watch guy who claimed to be sending out a lot of watches, when in fact he was shipping near empty boxes to collect the insurance. I also love the ones that smell of mustard, can't fool me...damn potheads.

No,I am doing this 22 years.My motto is "I don't wan't to know what is in it so don't tell me". I have been telling my customers that for ever.

07-05-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Diegotron

Forgetting to put a seatbelt on versus knowingly taking something out of a box and knowingly breaking a rule. The seatbelt can be put on minutes later when said person remembers, the silly string cannot be put back in the can and delivered. Anyways, I voted off with the hands. House keep trying to be funny, you're like Kathy Griffin.

Off to the movies.

"Really Bossman, IZ be inteended on puttin on dat belt, you aint gone fire me is you, I hads good intensions"
Who's Kathy Griffin?
Go see "jackass Movie" I hear its great!

kwed95 · 07-05-2008, 01:19 PM

fire them all & start with that damn supe :-)

looper804 · 07-05-2008, 01:20 PM

Kathy Griffin is the red headed comedian that is on late night cable.Picks on all the celebrities.She is pretty funny so I guess you were getting a compliment.

UpstateNYUPSer · 07-05-2008, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by looper804

No,I am doing this 22 years.My motto is "I don't wan't to know what is in it so don't tell me". I have been telling my customers that for ever.

The only time I ask is when the pack is questionable of if they have written "FRAGILE" all over it and it sounds like a box of Cracker Jacks.
Other than that, 19 years later I have also lost my curiousity.

looper804 · 07-05-2008, 01:25 PM

Early in my career I unknowingly was carrying a box full of ectasy pills.To make a long story short it was my worst day being questioned by narcotics cops,feds and everyone else.So that is why I don't want to know anything.Just deliver and pickup.

But Benefits Are Great! · 07-05-2008, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by hseofpayne

Funny thing about perception, we all see things differently. My vision is me having fun watching y'all show how high and mighty y'all think you are when I know you would want leniancy if you broke some other rule at UPS, say you forgot, just once, to put on your seatbelt. I know y'all say do the crime do the time, but I wonder if you would just leave w/o a fight if you got fired for your first rule infraction. Believe me, I am sitting here laughing my behind off at the executioners row!

Dumb argument - You can FORGET to put on your seatbelt, you can FORGET to sign the logs, you can FORGET to pick up a package as instructed, but you cannot FORGET that taking something that is not yours is theft, you cannot FORGET that taking something out of a customer's package is a terminal offense. You know better than that.

I'm beginning to believe you cannot possibly believe your position in this, you are just trying to get responses. That's fine.

"...I know you would want leniancy if you broke some other rule at UPS..." And there is where you are wrong - and I think I can make you see the other side here -

(And I DO NOT mean to speak for others here, correct me if I'm wrong)

You are saying that, if we were caught spraying a customer's silly string, we would hope that management would be lenient, allow us to keep our jobs.

We are saying that the thought of pulling a can of silly string out of a customer's package & spraying it would never even cross our mind, as it is theft. Therefore, leniency is moot, we would never get caught doing something that stupid, because we would never DO something that stupid.

Sure, if I forgot my seatbelt & were caught, I'd hope not to be fired. If I took something from a package that was a customer's in the system? I'd expect to be fired.

Seriously beginning to believe your posts are just to get responses - nobody can be this obtuse.