Strike in Chicago?

[over9five]

I feel the need of a poll.....




....so I will create one.

[drewed]

Originally Posted by bellesotico

Um don't start something you can't begin to finish, little boy.

That hot mess of a reply you just left sounds like the rest of your posts. Nonsense. Would you like ME to explain exactly what YOU meant to say?

Sorry but..you are posting out of context and probably just bitter because you got called out. I've been reading your weak attempts to keep up on a subject far beyond your comprehension. Doesn't look like Wikipedia's working out too good for you...

bitch bitch bitch complain complain complain, i can see youre working under the table for the union.

[bellesotico]

Originally Posted by drewed

bitch bitch bitch complain complain complain, i can see youre working under the table for the union.

And once again a post that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. How 5th grade of you.

[But Benefits Are Great!]

Originally Posted by drewed

bitch bitch bitch complain complain complain, i can see youre working under the table for the union.

Drewed, that was out of line, unprofessional, and takes credibility away from you or anyone that posts like that.

[Diegotron]

Originally Posted by But Benefits Are Great!

Drewed, that was out of line, unprofessional, and takes credibility away from you or anyone that posts like that.

/Agree. But he lost credibility when he left. If you're gonna come back make a comeback thread or I'll be confused.

[local804]

Originally Posted by drewed

bitch bitch bitch complain complain complain, i can see youre working under the table for the union.

You have got to be kidding me.

[Mike Hawk]

Originally Posted by tieguy

Red,

honestly. Marty is done. Its great that he is grasping on straws and still trying to revive himself but if he is all you got then you got nothing. Soap opera ends in five days and you go back to preaching how your union beat the company into submission to get what you want.

Realistically your union should not reveal negotiation details until all is settled. It takes a lot of pressure of of your negotiators so you guys dont have to grandstand like you have been.

I don’t know about you, but for me ignorance is not bliss, I would rather be informed about something that will affect me. Props to 705 for electing leadership that keeps them informed.

[local804]

Originally Posted by Mike Hawk

I don’t know about you, but for me ignorance is not bliss, I would rather be informed about something that will affect me. Props to 705 for electing leadership that keeps them informed.

Aint that the truth. Our local elected to change bylaws that kept us in the dark.

[cachsux]

Originally Posted by drewed

bitch bitch bitch complain complain complain, i can see youre working under the table for the union.

And you are really showing your true side. We already have a Tieguy,come up with something original.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by Mike Hawk

I don’t know about you, but for me ignorance is not bliss, I would rather be informed about something that will affect me. Props to 705 for electing leadership that keeps them informed.

you will be informed when they have a final package until then all you're doing is getting the members worked up unnecessarily.

[bad company]

Originally Posted by drewed

bitch bitch bitch complain complain complain, i can see youre working under the table for the union.

I try to ignore the majority of your posts, because frankly...you come off as someone who is exceptionally arrogant and/or extraordinarily ignorant. I’ve tried to bite my tongue and not respond to your self-indulgent antics and blatant misinformation. You brag about being a part-time supervisor as though you are God’s gift to UPS. As a former part-time sup myself, you embarrass me. So I ask you…please grow up and stop being a little infant.

Thanks in advance…

[Mike Hawk]

It is very different on your side of the fence Tie, your negotiator does not need the majority of the company’s opinion to pass a contract, you have no say in it. The union side however is very much democratic, and the members need to be informed to make the right decision.

Would you want to wait till the last second to know what the presidential candidates are and have very little time to make an educated choice? Or would you rather put them under the spotlight for a while to debate and learn more about them.

[filthpig]

Originally Posted by Chnandler Bong

During the '97 strike, locals 705 and 710 were not technically on strike but were unable to work due to the fact that the work was "struck goods" and other locals put up picket lines at our facilities. I would expect the reverse to be true. We had one guy cross the line.....he is no longer working for UPS.

Again, I hope this doesn't happen. Why won't the company sit down at the negotiating table? My sense is that they smell weakness. They got, in my opinion, alot of concessions in the Master and they feel they can do the same to us. Remember, if we can get stronger language in our contract it will benefit all of us in future negotiations.

Just my two cents...

if they go on strike, you're not gonna have 2 cents.

[tieguy]

[quote=Mike Hawk;373820]It is very different on your side of the fence Tie, your negotiator does not need the majority of the company’s opinion to pass a contract, you have no say in it. The union side however is very much democratic, and the members need to be informed to make the right decision.

Thats what the contract review of an offer is for. Thats why you have a month to attend meetings to review and decide on the final contract offer. Revealing the offers early gets the members worked up unnecessarily. It also creates confusion where members think there are things in the final offer that are not there. Items that are not in the final contract offer but were discussed earlier then become reasons why contracts are voted down. You have four or five versions of the contract on the web page can you remember what was offered in which ones?

[But Benefits Are Great!]

So, How about them Mets, huh?

This thread has long ago just turned into static.

"I am neither ANTI-UNION, nor ANTI-COMPANY - Whatever it takes to PRO-VIDE for my family"

[local804]

Originally Posted by bad company

I try to ignore the majority of your posts, because frankly...you come off as someone who is exceptionally arrogant and/or extraordinarily ignorant. I’ve tried to bite my tongue and not respond to your self-indulgent antics and blatant misinformation. You brag about being a part-time supervisor as though you are God’s gift to UPS. As a former part-time sup myself, you embarrass me. So I ask you…please grow up and stop being a little infant.

Thanks in advance…

good post

[upsdude]

I just hope the situation reaches a settlement that the majority on both sides can live with.

This thread is a good reminder of just how emotional labor/management relations are at UPS.

At risk of having my head handed to me: The biggest challenge facing UPS isn’t FedEx or the USPS, it’s the horrible management/employee relations and a total lack of trust between either party. There will always be issues causing tension between both, but it continues to get worse as time goes by.

The frustrating thing is that it doesn’t have to be that way. Some of the most vocal Teamsters on here could come work in my building and think they died and went to heaven. Sure, it’s the same stupid stuff at times but it never gets personal. On the other hand I could go to Red’s center (just using Red as an example, not bashing) and wonder what the heck happened.

Management-Employee Relations at UPS need some serious couch time with an expert.

I’d also suggest that unless you’re directly involved in the Chicago negotiations, stay out of it. I know for me I have no clue what those folks face on a day to day basis, neither does any management outside the area.

[705red]

Originally Posted by tieguy

Red,

honestly. Marty is done. Its great that he is grasping on straws and still trying to revive himself but if he is all you got then you got nothing. Soap opera ends in five days and you go back to preaching how your union beat the company into submission to get what you want.

Realistically your union should not reveal negotiation details until all is settled. It takes a lot of pressure of of your negotiators so you guys dont have to grandstand like you have been.

Tie the members voted our union in because they promised members first and no more business as usual. As you can see its not business as ususal, the union has informed the members every step of the way. This is the way it should be as we the members will have to vote on the contract. You might/will disagree but our management is glad for it so they can see hows it going.

Its funny that they dont bring in everyday operation managers to get their input. The union brings in union members because we work under the contract daily to voice our thoughts. Maybe talks would be going better if the preload manager was there just to say, hey i cant get people at $8.50 and the union does have our best interest in hand with this proposal.

[Can You Come Back?]

Originally Posted by U(s)PS Guy

my comment was related to the poster who could not figure out that 705 teamsters does not equal all of UPS Teamsters employees.

to answer your question about "how is this possible if everyones under the same national?" well they have local supplements for a reason, but the national guarantees that everyone is under roughly the same terms.

I realize that the members of 705 have stated many times that the proposals put forth to them by UPS are less than what is offered in the NMA. My question to 705 is this: How many times have you proposed that 705 be brought under the NMA?

Now I realize that you are seperate from the NMA, and always have been and blah blah blah. But if you haven't made that proposal to them at this point, give me a reason (a good one please...) as to why.

BRAVO.....I've read through this thread and still can't come up with any real reason why these locals aren't part of the NMA.

WHY?

What a waste of time.

And as far as 705 supporting the 97 strike.......well, when 98% of a workforce goes out, there's not much left for the 2%.

Collective bargaining should be the WHOLE collective.

UPS may be the golden goose and making billions, but they do pay us well.
UPS is a solid company and I, for one, am thrilled to be employed by a company that is unlikely to financially struggle. Look around, there are lots of folks that would love to be standing in your shoes.

I still come back to why. WHY is 705 separate? A real answer, please.