Strike in Chicago?

Answer me this chicago....was the door not open for you all to vote on the nma as the rest of the country did last year? If you did have that choice, but you chose not to do so and gamble to go for a different bargain, then that was a wrong decision in my eyes, because the economy has tanked big time since then...

Now you want to make the rest of the country pay for your stubborness and gambling...if the economy improved greatly, maybe you could make an argument for more...but now you cannot argue for more successfully...you can argue surely by going on strike, but in the long run you will lose, and the rest of UPS will lose as well...

Go ahead and beat your chests and talk about your local leadership...time will show that they lacked the foresight, and likely the painful experience that a real strike will bring...it has been said, there must be a few wars every now and then, to remind people what truly is important...you should have used your influence to unionize our competition, not destroy the base...

[ups79]

Originally Posted by Load Stand

Answer me this chicago....was the door not open for you all to vote on the nma as the rest of the country did last year? If you did have that choice, but you chose not to do so and gamble to go for a different bargain, then that was a wrong decision in my eyes, because the economy has tanked big time since then...

Now you want to make the rest of the country pay for your stubborness and gambling...if the economy improved greatly, maybe you could make an argument for more...but now you cannot argue for more successfully...you can argue surely by going on strike, but in the long run you will lose, and the rest of UPS will lose as well...

Go ahead and beat your chests and talk about your local leadership...time will show that they lacked the foresight, and likely the painful experience that a real strike will bring...it has been said, there must be a few wars every now and then, to remind people what truly is important...you should have used your influence to unionize our competition, not destroy the base...

You have no idea. The two locals settle their own contract. They do not vote on the national. Boy have you appear stupid.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by scoobypanda

Cheryl- we are discussing sensitive labor and contract issues and satellite driver says he is a scab from 97 and expects heat. Being a moderator should not be an exemption from criticism that he asked for.
705- our contract is officially water under the bridge. I wish you luck in your negotiations and you will have plenty of support from Long Island.
- For those dwelling on the negatives of a separate contract, I offer you this idea: Chicago is starting your contract negotiations 4 1/2 years early, so how about supporting them rather than throwing stones?

So you support there efforts to violate the principles of unity by negotiating a seperate deal?

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by paidslave

Cooking Wieners over a 55 gallon drum looks like a plan. Especially with the harrassing tactics UPS managment employs!

Lets see how many stops these lazy management people will put out while we cook weiners over the grill?


I am a firm believer if you can tell someone how to pump out 23 stops per hour safely then you ought to be able to do it. If not, mind your p's and q's.


If my memory serves me correctly, the last strike every truck had 2 people in it to get done 20% of what on man does on a daily bases.

I say strike if we don't get what we believe is a fair contract.

.35 cents per hour? If that is fair to you then so be it!

This is a 5 year deal!

funny how that memory thing works.
Now do the math. Lot less management people working then drivers. In my case I covered an area that was normally covered by 5 drivers.

I can't believe you're joking about weiners over a barrel. Is this where I'm supposed to joke about you losing your house?

[paidslave]

Originally Posted by tieguy

funny how that memory thing works.
Now do the math. Lot less management people working then drivers. In my case I covered an area that was normally covered by 5 drivers.

I can't believe you're joking about weiners over a barrel. Is this where I'm supposed to joke about you losing your house?

Tieguy covers 5 routes? This is why the stock tanked folks because TIEguys and his cronies were doing 5 routes a piece and now he choses to sit on his arse in an air conditioned office!

Best laugh in a while!

Thanks!

Another scare tactic folks: Joke about losing my house? I bet that would make you happy....I would take that chance if you could run 5 routes by yourself for 1 week? Yes I will stock up on the wieners to see that........The only joke here is you! 5 routes!!!!!huh!!!!!

1 week, Because that is as long as a strike would last.......

[New Englander]

Originally Posted by paidslave

Tieguy covers 5 routes? This is why the stock tanked folks because TIEguys and his cronies were doing 5 routes a piece and now he choses to sit on his arse in an air conditioned office!

Best laugh in a while!

Thanks!

Another scare tactic folks: Joke about losing my house? I bet that would make you happy....I would take that chance if you could run 5 routes by yourself for 1 week? Yes I will stock up on the wieners to see that........The only joke here is you! 5 routes!!!!!huh!!!!!

1 week, Because that is as long as a strike would last.......

Guys don't be stupid. Your playing into his hand.

He was covering the area of 5 drivers trying to get the decided upon critical stuff delivered with as much else as possible. Hospitals, Doctor offices, Air packages etc...

It was much less volume then a normal route.

Think Fedex Express etc.....same thing.

[drewed]

Originally Posted by New Englander

Guys don't be stupid. Your playing into his hand.

He was covering the area of 5 drivers trying to get the decided upon critical stuff delivered with as much else as possible. Hospitals, Doctor offices, Air packages etc...

It was much less volume then a normal route.

Think Fedex Express etc.....same thing.

Exactly!

I wonder the 705 can be critical of the proposals, when their reading skills can be called into question.....

[trplnkl]

In our building in '97 we saw sups go out two by two in P1000s every AM and return every PM around 3-3:30. The funny thing was they didn't actually make any deliveries. Their first stop was at some restaurant for breakfast and stayed there for an hour or more, then they would drive around town for a couple of hours, till lunch time. We had people following them.LOL.
They would pull trailers to the unload doors make unloading noises then re-spot the trailer and pull another one up to the dock. The funny thing about that they used the same trailer three days in a row. The trailers are numbered ya know.
When we went back to work I never heard a consignee say they ever saw a delivery during the strike.

Smoke & mirrors?

[brownmonster]

The contract will be settled by the deadline. The Union will brag about a victory for working class people. The company will brag about rewarding our hard working people and still keeping the company strong. The members will go on-line and complain and claim they all voted no for this POS contract that got overwhelmingly voted in. JMO The Brownmonster

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by paidslave

Tieguy covers 5 routes? This is why the stock tanked folks because TIEguys and his cronies were doing 5 routes a piece and now he choses to sit on his arse in an air conditioned office!

Best laugh in a while!

Thanks!

Another scare tactic folks: Joke about losing my house? I bet that would make you happy....I would take that chance if you could run 5 routes by yourself for 1 week? Yes I will stock up on the wieners to see that........The only joke here is you! 5 routes!!!!!huh!!!!!

1 week, Because that is as long as a strike would last.......

I don't know if you're dense or just ignorant but do the math. We had about 20 percent of a normal driver group sent out which means everyone who went out had an area of at least 5 normal driver routes. You also need to go back and do some research it was longer then one week. You should do your homework before you come in here and run your mouth.

[local804]

YouTube - Labor Beat: Teamsters 705 Authorizes Strike Against UPS

YouTube - Labor Beat: Teamsters 705 Authorizes Strike Against UPS

[westsideworma]

just a question. If 705/710 strike...what about the other teamsters under the national agreement?

[nhguy]

705 RED,

I found it interesting watching the little propaganda video. You people need to come back to the real world. UPS part time people are compensated far beyond their hourly wage. Where I come from, it costs UPS about $30,000 a year to add a new part time employee. Why would UPS be looking to add full time jobs when the daily volume is down approximately 15% over last year. In addition, if you'd turn your tv on once in awhile, you'd see that gas, oil, jet fuel, heating oil and health care continue to double and even triple since last year. Add in the 6.1 billion for the CS mess and I don't see your argument to add new full time jobs. It's the same old rhetoric as the strike year.

I'm going out back to see if the money tree can come up with a better blosom, because the last time I checked the tree was drying up quickly.

This crap really gets old after awhile!

REMEMBER THE BIG FISH ALWAYS EATS THE LITTLE ONES!

[scratch]

Originally Posted by local804

YouTube - Labor Beat: Teamsters 705 Authorizes Strike Against UPS

I bet Fedex loves showing stuff like this to our shippers. I hope you guys settle, I have been through three decades of contract talks now, and have always hated them. This should have been settled back with the rest of the NMA. The outcome will be about the same, it always is.

[upsgrunt]

Agreed! I get so tired of it on both sides. What have they had, 5 years to work on this, and it always comes down to a pissing contest. Both sides; sit down and settle this thing and don't come out until you do. If we did our jobs like you negotiate, we'd be in a world of hurt.

[RockyRogue]

Originally Posted by Load Stand

Answer me this chicago...

Would you like to be the destruction of UPS? Because if you walk, that's it. The rest of the country will follow and within two weeks--how long the '97 strike lasted--most of you won't HAVE a job to come back to! I used to work for UPS and ship UPS when I need to ship stuff. THAT's over if you guys take a walk. You've lost the confidence of the American people if you walk during the current economic picture. JMHO.....-Rocky

[drewed]

Originally Posted by RockyRogue

Would you like to be the destruction of UPS? Because if you walk, that's it. The rest of the country will follow and within two weeks--how long the '97 strike lasted--most of you won't HAVE a job to come back to! I used to work for UPS and ship UPS when I need to ship stuff. THAT's over if you guys take a walk. You've lost the confidence of the American people if you walk during the current economic picture. JMHO.....-Rocky

The rest of the country wont walk, you MAY get some isolated locals walking but by and large there wont be a massive strike

[RockyRogue]

Originally Posted by drewed

The rest of the country wont walk, you MAY get some isolated locals walking but by and large there wont be a massive strike

But, but.....what about UNITY and solidarity????

And don't forget....X% of rail / freight traffic (I forget the number...sorry) transits Chicago's railyards, highways and truck yards. St. Louis is probably the nearest city with a rail yard / transit hub. I've been told by rail / freight personnel it couldn't handle the volume. No.....Chicago goes on strike and the UPS system will go into meltdown in less than 12 hours. JMHO.... -Rocky

[drewed]

Im pretty sure it wont, but i guess we'll see aug 1

[ups79]

Originally Posted by RockyRogue

But, but.....what about UNITY and solidarity????

And don't forget....X% of rail / freight traffic (I forget the number...sorry) transits Chicago's railyards, highways and truck yards. St. Louis is probably the nearest city with a rail yard / transit hub. I've been told by rail / freight personnel it couldn't handle the volume. No.....Chicago goes on strike and the UPS system will go into meltdown in less than 12 hours. JMHO.... -Rocky

I thought you were gone?

[reydluap]

I have kept up with this thread. Respecting both sides opinions. BUT! I'm a realist. With the economy going sour. Is it really wise to go on strike? Win or Loose.

Look around you. Years past, Auto workers demanded their special perks. Look at what's happening to them now. Just about every time I pick up a newspaper, I read about another couple of thousand jobs being lost. Oh yeah....they fought for more money until they squeezed the life out of the companies. And not only the automakers, but their suppliers are collapsing.

Local 705 and 710........You might win your fight.......but don't be surprised if you loose the war.

Time will tell........

[RockyRogue]

Originally Posted by ups79

I thought you were gone?

Nope. Truth be told, this board is my daily chuckle. -Rocky

[satellitedriver]

Originally Posted by RockyRogue

Nope. Truth be told, this board is my daily chuckle. -Rocky

It does have it's humor.
The video is the best.
It leads off with a 20yrs vet complaining about the lack of money spent by the company, yet that vet never took advantage of the dental insurance.
Great front man, not.
Petty, yes, but very telling.

The "Victory" at Eastern Airlines

http://www.airlinesafety.com/Unions/...yAtEastern.htm
January 18, 1991. A date which will live in Union Infamy. That is the day that Eastern Airlines expired, with it's last gasps of tortured breath. That is also the day that the Eastern Employee Unions declared "Victory." That is the day that they celebrate, the day they "won the war" against Frank Lorenzo.

Ernie Mailhot was a ramp worker and cleaner at Eastern Airlines and a "strike staff coordinator for International Association of Machinists Local Lodge 1018 from December 1989 to December 1990." He declared the demise of Eastern Airlines to be a "victory" for all union workers everywhere.


And that is the thinking of the Kamikaze Union leaders. That is why they deliberately drop bombs on their own ships----

[govols019]

Originally Posted by RockyRogue

Would you like to be the destruction of UPS? Because if you walk, that's it. The rest of the country will follow and within two weeks--how long the '97 strike lasted--most of you won't HAVE a job to come back to! I used to work for UPS and ship UPS when I need to ship stuff. THAT's over if you guys take a walk. You've lost the confidence of the American people if you walk during the current economic picture. JMHO.....-Rocky

Seems I heard that same thing in '97.