Strike in Chicago?

[paidslave]

Originally Posted by tieguy

I don't know if you're dense or just ignorant but do the math. We had about 20 percent of a normal driver group sent out which means everyone who went out had an area of at least 5 normal driver routes. You also need to go back and do some research it was longer then one week. You should do your homework before you come in here and run your mouth.

Yes TIEGUY, you are a math major. I bet you were still doing 25 stops an hour like expected of hourlys when you break routes out.......

I DID MY HOMEWORK:




..........You just said, your exact quote, "Everyone who went out had an an area of at least 5 normal driver routes"!


So the bet remains you get at least 5 normal driver routes per day!


HOT DOGS AND BEANS ANY DAY you RUN 5 ROUTES...

I am not that desperate!


RUN your arse off pal doing 5 routes for weeks, I DON"T CARE!


And for the lame excuse for gas prises, my route I burn 6 gallons of gas. WHIPPIE it cost UPS an extra $12. UPS raised the rates 5 percent this year and I guarantee that on a minimum day I have on my truck 5k to 10k of paid frieght. Multiply that times .05 and that is $500 a day extra just on my route. In the greater sceme of things $12 for fuel is a very lame excuse!





Lastly, you seem like a computer geek anyway to even pick up a package! Sorry to say........

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by local804

YouTube - Labor Beat: Teamsters 705 Authorizes Strike Against UPS

Juan did not look comfortable regurgitating his prose. Looks away a lot as he speaks his lines. You would think someone who has been privy to the negotiations and actually believes what he is saying would speak with a little more passion. After all its an opportunity to sell the reasons that this unions leadership thinks this action is warranted.

communication is a two way street. Yet each time we go through this tiring process we are led to believe the company is resitant to negotiating despite the unions best efforts to settle the contract.

How many times will I have to hear this same tired line of rhetoric before some honest broker on the union side admits that they have also been playing games.

[trplnkl]

Originally Posted by reydluap

I have kept up with this thread. Respecting both sides opinions. BUT! I'm a realist. With the economy going sour. Is it really wise to go on strike? Win or Loose.

Look around you. Years past, Auto workers demanded their special perks. Look at what's happening to them now. Just about every time I pick up a newspaper, I read about another couple of thousand jobs being lost. Oh yeah....they fought for more money until they squeezed the life out of the companies. And not only the automakers, but their suppliers are collapsing.

Local 705 and 710........You might win your fight.......but don't be surprised if you loose the war.

Time will tell........

What's happening to the auto industry today has very little to do with the union workers, only in retrospect. What is killing GM (and others) is the outrageous price of fuel. People are scared of the overwhelming price of a gallon of gas and have stopped buying unless it's really needed and they have switched to smaller, less expensive vehicles. The big crunches in layoffs are in pickups and SUVs. Why would GM continue to manufacture trucks when they can't sell them. Granted the wages and perks received by those employees is a profit/loss factor but the fact is even if the workers took a 50% decrease in pay, GM would still be shutting down the factories.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by trplnkl

What's happening to the auto industry today has very little to do with the union workers, only in retrospect. What is killing GM (and others) is the outrageous price of fuel. People are scared of the overwhelming price of a gallon of gas and have stopped buying unless it's really needed and they have switched to smaller, less expensive vehicles. The big crunches in layoffs are in pickups and SUVs. Why would GM continue to manufacture trucks when they can't sell them. Granted the wages and perks received by those employees is a profit/loss factor but the fact is even if the workers took a 50% decrease in pay, GM would still be shutting down the factories.

I don't know I'd buy an suv at half price. Your texans will keep buying their pickup trucks which are no better on gas mileage.

[trplnkl]

I don't know where you got the idea of the half priced SUV, wages are only part of the formula. And yes I will always own a pickup, it's hard to haul a load of anything in an SUV, well.....unless it's a load of Tieguy hot air...LOL

[UpstateNYUPSer]

Originally Posted by govols019

Seems I heard that same thing in '97.

2008 is clearly different.

[reydluap]

I just truely believe that all the people that have lost their jobs or work for 1/2 of our wages will understand a Union strikers point of view. All they will see is a 70 to 90 thousand dollar a year job with complete medical benifits in these times! Before you flex your muscles and stick out your chest......you might want to be careful that you are not going to be replaced by cheaper labor (a.k.a scabs...as you call them).

If the autoworkers were not making up to $50 an hour and benifits...the auto industry wouldn't have the overhead they have. Yes, I agree with the point of the big SUV's....they are getting hit from all sides. High Labor cost and an economy gone sour.

Sometimes people can't see the trees because of the forest.

[Chnandler Bong]

I heard from another driver that 710 has already stated that it will continue negotiations beyond the August 1 deadline and continue working under the current contract. This was second-hand news, so take it for what it's worth. From my perspective this is the correct thing to do. I don't know if 705 is on the same page though.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by trplnkl

I don't know where you got the idea of the half priced SUV, wages are only part of the formula. And yes I will always own a pickup, it's hard to haul a load of anything in an SUV, well.....unless it's a load of Tieguy hot air...LOL

I got my SUV and my old chevy pickup truck. Can't imagine doing without either one.

[paidslave]

Originally Posted by tieguy

I don't know if you're dense or just ignorant but do the math. We had about 20 percent of a normal driver group sent out which means everyone who went out had an area of at least 5 normal driver routes. You also need to go back and do some research it was longer then one week. You should do your homework before you come in here and run your mouth.

Yes TIEGUY, you are a math major. I bet you were still doing 25 stops an hour like expected of hourlys when you break routes out.......

I DID MY HOMEWORK:




..........You just said, your exact quote, "Everyone who went out had an an area of at least 5 normal driver routes"!


So the bet remains you get at least 5 normal driver routes per day!


HOT DOGS AND BEANS ANY DAY you RUN 5 ROUTES...

I am not that desperate!


RUN your arse off pal doing 5 routes for weeks, I DON"T CARE!


And for the lame excuse for gas prises, my route I burn 6 gallons of gas. WHIPPIE it cost UPS an extra $12. UPS raised the rates 5 percent this year and I guarantee that on a minimum day I have on my truck 5k to 10k of paid frieght. Multiply that times .05 and that is $500 a day extra just on my route. In the greater sceme of things $12 for fuel is a very lame excuse!





Lastly, you seem like a computer geek anyway to even pick up a package! Sorry to say........

[worldwide]

paidslave posted "I guarantee that on a minimum day I have on my truck 5k to 10k of paid frieght."

On a minimum day, how many packages do you deliver and how many do you pickup?

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by paidslave

Yes TIEGUY, you are a math major. I bet you were still doing 25 stops an hour like expected of hourlys when you break routes out.......

I DID MY HOMEWORK:




..........You just said, your exact quote, "Everyone who went out had an an area of at least 5 normal driver routes"!


So the bet remains you get at least 5 normal driver routes per day!


HOT DOGS AND BEANS ANY DAY you RUN 5 ROUTES...

I am not that desperate!


RUN your arse off pal doing 5 routes for weeks, I DON"T CARE!


And for the lame excuse for gas prises, my route I burn 6 gallons of gas. WHIPPIE it cost UPS an extra $12. UPS raised the rates 5 percent this year and I guarantee that on a minimum day I have on my truck 5k to 10k of paid frieght. Multiply that times .05 and that is $500 a day extra just on my route. In the greater sceme of things $12 for fuel is a very lame excuse!





Lastly, you seem like a computer geek anyway to even pick up a package! Sorry to say........

hot dogs and beans? Is that some type of sick food fetish of yours?

[tieguy]

For all you economics majors like paid slave who have it all figured out:

http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/080722/ups.html?.v=2

[tieguy]

meanwhile at Wachovia more jobs lost

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080722/earns_wachovia.html

[paidslave]

Originally Posted by worldwide

paidslave posted "I guarantee that on a minimum day I have on my truck 5k to 10k of paid frieght."

On a minimum day, how many packages do you deliver and how many do you pickup?

300 to 400 deliver and 200 pickup

[Fnix]

Originally Posted by tieguy

meanwhile at Wachovia more jobs lost

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080722/earns_wachovia.html

Does that mean when I go and cash my check on Friday I cant stare down the tellers shirt when she bends over?

[paidslave]

Originally Posted by tieguy

For all you economics majors like paid slave who have it all figured out:

http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/080722/ups.html?.v=2

Economics? Interesting the stock is up nearly 4% on this grim news.........Profits were in line.....

Whats your point TIEBABY?

[paidslave]

Originally Posted by tieguy

hot dogs and beans? Is that some type of sick food fetish of yours?

NO not a fetish.....It juste taste better than baby food.....

Go smoke your cigarette.....

[1989]

Originally Posted by paidslave

Economics? Interesting the stock is up nearly 4% on this grim news.........Profits were in line.....

Whats your point TIEBABY?

Stock is up on the bullish signs for the second half of the year and oil down $20 over the past week.

Originally Posted by Chnandler Bong