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mrbill · 07-24-2006, 04:40 AM

The diadd cant handle the heat but YOU have to?
Thats their problem.
Make the package cars cooler and we and the diadds will survive!!!!!!!!:confused1

danlin · 07-24-2006, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Anonymous One

Its amazing how hard Ups makes it to deliver boxes! We have routes in our center that you can not take a lunch till 5pm. Then we have a Union Stewart who take 2 to 3 hours lunch a day and delivers 30 to 40 stops (his route is in a very rural area). Kinda makes you wonder if hes cuttin deals or sumthin coz they dont say anything to him.

If you have people that are on routes that don't take lunch until 500 that is those drives fault...There is contract language that allow 1 hour lunch to be taken anytime between your 4th and 6th hour. Just ask the state of California .Use the contract that we walked for 15 days in 1997, don't let UPS use you. By the way it is stewarD not stewarT

dannyboy · 07-24-2006, 06:50 AM

I agree with Danlin

The routes are to be set up that each driver can and should take lunch during the lunch time period. Now that being said, if you have a day once in a while where you get slammed, then I could understand not taking your lunch before 5. But that would be the rare exception and not the rule.

And if you really wanted to be a stickler to the contract, then the proper thing to do would be to notify management that you will be taking your lunch and you can not make service to the business stops you have. That will put the issue on their backs to solve.

My preference would be to handle the occasional heavy day by taking your lunch later. You can never tell when that consideration will come in handy. But then again, depending on management and their response to your reaching back and getting the job done, (as we know, some use drivers that try and help out without being "problem children") you might have to call them each time. So each situation and case needs to be carefully thought over before committing to an action.

But there is no excuse for this being a daily occurrence. It just shows poor planing.

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tieguy · 07-24-2006, 09:39 AM

This shows how these threads can get over worked. Anyone could certainly understand why the drivers hearing about the diad board being overheated in the back of the package car would chuckle thinking "what about us".

If you're really concerned about working too many hours then making sure your board does not overheat in the back of a package car would be in your interest. waiting on a new board or switching to paper would definitely slow you down and extend your day.

dannyboy · 07-24-2006, 09:46 AM

Tie

I would think that most drivers, at least the ones that I know, try to take care of the company equipment like it was their own. I do know of some that could care less, but usually they do not last long.

As you say, diad trouble equals more time on road.

What I still can not understand is managements refusal to cut hours. In many cases working more hours than at peak.

As tooner said, it is understandable to work till after dark at peak, when the sun sets at 5:30, but to be dispatched to work till 8 or 8:30 just about every day.......why? And before you launch into "its cheaper to pay you and four other drivers a bunch of overtime than it is to put another driver on road", yeah I know its cheaper. But is it the right thing to do.

Remember, our founders prided themselves on doing the right thing, no matter the outcome. So for a few extra bucks a year to the bottom line, has UPS prostituted itself into not doing the right thing by its drivers?

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DS · 07-24-2006, 07:02 PM

Yes Danny they are our pimps

dannyboy · 07-24-2006, 08:32 PM

You cheap **** you!!!!!!!!!!

Make sure you stick a lot of money away, you wont allways have your stunning beauty!

I know, I have a lot of room to talk.

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JD in MA/CA · 07-25-2006, 12:15 PM

Lunch? Lunch?

beentheredonethat · 07-25-2006, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dannyboy

Tie

As tooner said, it is understandable to work till after dark at peak, when the sun sets at 5:30, but to be dispatched to work till 8 or 8:30 just about every day.......why? And before you launch into "its cheaper to pay you and four other drivers a bunch of overtime than it is to put another driver on road", yeah I know its cheaper. But is it the right thing to do.

Remember, our founders prided themselves on doing the right thing, no matter the outcome. So for a few extra bucks a year to the bottom line, has UPS prostituted itself into not doing the right thing by its drivers?

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To a large extent I agree with dannyboy and tooner on this. I think going heavy on the pd day and cutting a driver is definitely cheaper in the short run. But, I think it is probably more expensive in the long run. There's a point of diminishing returns where fatigue sets in. Not just fatigue from one day of a heavy dispatch but day after day of it. Also, more importantly once a driver gets tired, he\she is more prone to get injured which isn't good for either the driver or the company. It does make sense to have some routes in the center to be known as heavy dispatch routes. Let's face it, in every center there are always going to be some drivers that want the extra hours. Also, it also makes sense for centers that have routes that have a huge to\fr to get on area. It makes sense to have those routes planned at a higher paid day, since if you add a driver in an area like that you add another driver having a huge to\fr which is nothing but cost to UPS. Area's that are tight and have a small to\fr should be planned to be a lower paid day, drivers wanting a lower paid day should bid on those routes so everyone comes out happier. That's my 2 cents.

mrbill · 07-26-2006, 05:09 AM

Makes for a good idea so it will not happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

brownnblue · 07-29-2006, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Daddy

over9.5,

Wouldn't want you to strain yourself taking the DIAD into lunch with you, I know it's hard "work." If we get enough sour drivers like you, maybe we could tear up all the DIADs, run all the customers off, watch our company go out of business, and you could get a job at the Waffle House which is probably where you would be working if you didn't work at UPS.

Actually, I would probably hope that one of the dozen or so offers for jobs that I got during the summer of '97 would still stand, and take one of those. Less money, more respect, you know how its goes.

Or maybe your right.
Maybe I am stuck in genetic epsitemologist Jean Piaget's third stage of cognitive development (concrete operations) and am not capable of any type of employment beyond the Waffle House.

Your call.

brownnblue · 07-29-2006, 10:14 AM

apologies for not flowing with the thread, but the "your a driver, your a nothing scum" posts really get under my skin.
Sorry.

dannyboy · 07-29-2006, 12:04 PM

Your allowed!

THe self help group meets every sunday night in the chat room to aid in self control, self worth etc.

I can feel the pent up, long term issues you expressed. Just dont let it get you down!

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tonyexpress · 07-29-2006, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by beentheredonethat

To a large extent I agree with dannyboy and tooner on this. I think going heavy on the pd day and cutting a driver is definitely cheaper in the short run. But, I think it is probably more expensive in the long run. There's a point of diminishing returns where fatigue sets in. Not just fatigue from one day of a heavy dispatch but day after day of it. Also, more importantly once a driver gets tired, he\she is more prone to get injured which isn't good for either the driver or the company. It does make sense to have some routes in the center to be known as heavy dispatch routes. Let's face it, in every center there are always going to be some drivers that want the extra hours. Also, it also makes sense for centers that have routes that have a huge to\fr to get on area. It makes sense to have those routes planned at a higher paid day, since if you add a driver in an area like that you add another driver having a huge to\fr which is nothing but cost to UPS. Area's that are tight and have a small to\fr should be planned to be a lower paid day, drivers wanting a lower paid day should bid on those routes so everyone comes out happier. That's my 2 cents.

Very nicely put btdt... Sounds like you've actually been there and done that

I have to say that getting the drivers in and out on time makes for a much better operation. Morale improves dramatically!! In California where I worked many years as both hourly and management we once had a District Manager that made this happen. His initials are R.R. and he had his sh-- together. Management and hourly were starting to live and enjoy his plan, a plan that he used successfully in other districts prior to coming to our larger one. It was unbelievable and was called the Total Service Plan...

Basically, get the drivers in on time thus assuring on time feeder departures and in turn getting the loads to the preload on time so the drivers can leave on time. It actually worked!!

It took a lot of work and R.R. was a no nonsense kinda guy. As a management person you either did your job or you weren't around long. However, in the long run many of us grew to respect his style and effort and we eventually saw the results. Results that found us home with our families both hourly and management alike.

In my 27 year career with UPS things never ran better. Too bad he left and another district manager came in and dropped his plan. Now from what I hear (retired early or quit as they say at 45 in 2003) things in the operations are difficult and it really doesn't have to be that way.

Hopefully they'll make R.R. King and he'll insist on doing things the right way, the Total Service Plan way.

dannyboy · 07-29-2006, 06:14 PM

WE had two like that here. back to back. Then the ones that took over just quit pushing to get the loads in, quit standing up to IE to justify adding routes, basically spinless worthless wimps. Yes men.

But for a while, several years, it was a good life.

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arvistyler · 07-29-2006, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mrbill

As always its about the equipment melting ,not the driver!!!!!!!!!!

As to the person who wrote that we are spoiled union brats making 25 dollars an hour, he is wrong. We make over twenty six bucks an hour, and if you want the job, and want to understand where we come from, grab my keys big boy, and show me how it's done.

over9five · 07-29-2006, 08:29 PM

"..and show me how it's done."

And now we'll hear how he was a driver...had it harder back then....did it faster, etc etc)

tieguy · 07-29-2006, 10:36 PM

Don't need to go there. I didn't agree to do the job when the weather was ideal. I agreed to do it every day regardless of the weather conditions with hurricanes and blizzards being the exception. And you folks are right the weathers been absolutely miserable. But at the same time the tone of some posts here make it sound as if UPS is responsible for it being 100 degrees outside.

dannyboy · 07-30-2006, 04:39 AM

Bout time you got out of bed!

Actually, they are responsible. Not for the 100 degree heat, but for making the drivers work till near dark in the 100 degree heat. For that there is no logical excuse but greed.

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trickpony1 · 07-30-2006, 05:07 AM

Tie is right!

The company is never responsible for anything.
Nothing is ever the company's fault.
How dare anyone suggest otherwise!

(sarcasm intended)

aspenleaf · 07-30-2006, 09:55 AM

Just be glad you are not city workers re-paving the streets. They work in the heat also (this is not always done at night) plus have cars driving within inches of them. Maybe you need a clause in the next contact stating you won't work in hot, raining, windy or extreme cold conditions and no matter what time of year you want to be home before dark.

trickpony1 · 07-30-2006, 11:36 AM

....from the mouths of babes.....

.....or one that hasn't been there.

dannyboy · 07-30-2006, 02:05 PM

Trick

Maybe the teamsters could hire a lil ole LPN to take over the negotiations with UPS. Maybe a fresh honest face with a youthful passion would be a fresh breath of air in a very stale and dishonest environment?

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aspenleaf · 07-30-2006, 02:25 PM

LOL, just because I am not a driver does not mean I can't understand your points. All I meant to imply is you all are ruining my image of the "sexy" UPS driver with all this complaining about the heat.

If word got out millions of women will have to go back to fantasizing about the postal carrier. You may or may not know it but you drivers are in a few romance novels. . . I know you are the hardest working people at UPS and I know you put up with more crap than I ever will at UPS.

Dannyboy, sorry my plate is full. I can't take on the Teamsters at this time. However you might want to give diadlover a call. . .

dannyboy · 07-30-2006, 05:08 PM

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However you might want to give diadlover a call

And he is suposed to do what? He cant even win an election when he is the only person running.

Actually, if he wasnt such an ass, he would be a really funny guy. Might help to have some humor at the table

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