What is L.P. thinking?

[beefybudds]

Originally Posted by over9five

Blackberrys can be free to UPS employees without TMO, too!!!
LOL

Almost everything can be free for us in brown
But im one to be the first to turn in a thief
I have mixed emotions about this thread but one thing is that the steward fighting for this kid is something I could only wish that I could count on my steward to do.

[hyena]

I hope those guys who have you as a steward realize what they got! Keep fighting for what is right Red!

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by Dutch Dawg

Blackberry Curves can be had for as little as $200, unlocked, in the original box from bonafide sellers, if one looks around. It's not too perposterous to believe one would think they were entering into a legit deal to buy one slightly used from someone in need of money for $100.

too many people trying to alibi too many thieves. Red already said the blackberry was valued at 400 dollars meaning his guy bought a brand new blackberry at a 75 percent discount.

For someone to believe the depth of charges are solely left to the PA, DA or whatever you wanna call the scum (oh my did I say that) in real world life leads me to believe they need to get out of the house and away from courtroom drama on the TV. Prosecution in a case like this could very easily be influenced by a corporation of this size. Go ahead and slam me for expressing such a low opinion of persecuting(sic) attorneys. My experience with them has led me to believe many are more concerned with their political future than true justice.

Dawg I have quite a bit of experience in this area. I worked hand in hand with LP one year in one of my operations when thieving was rampant. We took out over 40 thieves in a six month period. I can easily tell you that its very difficult to get the police and LP to act on these low dollar barely a felony thefts. They cherry picked the ones they felt were the best cases. If they are going after this guy then there is a reason and it ain't the corporate influece of some lowly LP Guy.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by hyena

I hope those guys who have you as a steward realize what they got! Keep fighting for what is right Red!

Sigh....tell me whats right? Thievery is almost non existent if the thief does not have a buyer for his goods.

By right are you saying you support the purchasing of stolen goods?

I tell you what folks the morals of many posters here alibing the purchasing of stolen goods leads me to believe we may not have enough people working LP

[hangin455]

Originally Posted by 705red

The company stated that he is in possesion of the phone so he stole it. The employee told lp, his bosses, and labor that he bought the phone in the parking lot one night. an employee approached him and several other employees trying to sell a blackberry for $300, they said no way. The employee said cmon i really need money for my family.

So my guy says i will give you a $100, the seller opened up the phone took out his sim card and handed the phone to my guy.

And didn't know the guy he bought it from got it inside? This really pushes the credibility envelope.

[raceanoncr]

Originally Posted by hangin455

And didn't know the guy he bought it from got it inside? This really pushes the credibility envelope.

Have you seen the quality help that is on premises today? I'm not sidin with this guy, and, albeit, I've been away from operations a number of yrs due to being on sleeper team, but coming back here daily now, my jaw drops when I look at what's in the hub!

I swear, it makes me cringe when I look at MOST of the help UPS has hired the last few yrs. What's the reason? Money, beatings (figuratively), chance (or no chance) of advancement? I don't know. It just scares me to think that some of these people are tomorrows leaders!

So,"he didn't know the guy he bought it from got it inside"? Maybe! Maybe not! Yes, I DO have a credibility issue with ALOT of people here, full-time, part-time, hourlies, management...I didn't when I started over 30 yrs ago...but I do now.

Now, for all you on here that are bustin yer hump, this doesn't apply to you so don't start bangin me.

[finaddict]

I hope his sorry ass is gone for good. Common sense aint so common any more and if you want to stick up for him, more power to you. I just love a union rep who keeps dead ass wood around stinking up the work of good employees. I've seen way to many pieces of hanging onto the union card while they should have been long gone. Pick a real fight and let the dead wood ROT!

[rod]

Originally Posted by finaddict

I hope his sorry ass is gone for good. Common sense aint so common any more and if you want to stick up for him, more power to you. I just love a union rep who keeps dead ass wood around stinking up the work of good employees. I've seen way to many pieces of hanging onto the union card while they should have been long gone. Pick a real fight and let the dead wood ROT!

Don't hold it back--- tell us how you really feel

[dannyboy]

you know, how we feel really does not matter. the facts are as follows

1 because of lack of evidence, he got his job back
2 at a hearing, union panel members hate thieves just like managment
3 any further hearings on the matter will take place in a court of law.
4 the way i understand the "posession of stolen goods law" you dont have to know it is stolen to be guilty.
5 if found not guilty, he should be treated just that way, not guilty. by all!
6 if found guilty, what does that mean to his job at ups? i would say nothing, as the panel found him not guilty because of the lack of evidence ups brought against him.

so lets see how it plays out!

d

[705red]

Originally Posted by tieguy

Dawg I have quite a bit of experience in this area. I worked hand in hand with LP one year in one of my operations when thieving was rampant. We took out over 40 thieves in a six month period. I can easily tell you that its very difficult to get the police and LP to act on these low dollar barely a felony thefts. They cherry picked the ones they felt were the best cases. If they are going after this guy then there is a reason and it ain't the corporate influece of some lowly LP Guy.

Tie the problem we have here is the palatine police department, they dont investigate, they do what ups says. Even the cop said in court that the accused said i dont know if its stolen or not, that he guess's it could be stolen.

Other suburban police departments have stopped doing what ups says and actually investigate before throwing the cuffs on someone. And have refused to arrest.

I agree hes guilty of being in possesion of stolen goods because possesion is 9/10ths of the law. The point is he was not charged with that he was charged with stealing the phone.

If i was on trial for murder and during the court hearing i admitted that i jay walked, and was found innocent of the murder they would not find me guilty of jaywalking. Thats not the crime i was charged with.

Originally Posted by finaddict

I hope his sorry ass is gone for good. Common sense aint so common any more and if you want to stick up for him, more power to you. I just love a union rep who keeps dead ass wood around stinking up the work of good employees. I've seen way to many pieces of hanging onto the union card while they should have been long gone. Pick a real fight and let the dead wood ROT!

Why? Because ups management says hes a bad guy? This could have been you! Look he bought the phone, not on ups's time, not in a ups uniform and in a parking lot that ups is not held accountable if your car is vanadlized, broken into or stolen from!

You ever have a sup that just didnt like you? by your post im sure you have pissed someone off at some point and time or you could just be a little company suck hole! Which is it?

[cachsux]

I have to disagree with you Red. the Willow Springs police are upholding their fine position of being up UPS` ass or in their pocket. They even went so far a few years ago to arrest the driver who phoned the police for help after being assaulted by a mgr.

[hondo]

Originally Posted by Hoaxster

Chill out Dude ... sounds like you could use a Lude, man. Used mine up 30 years ago...can't help

DEA successfully eliminated qualudes with a strategy targeting its manufacture.

[trplnkl]

I can't imagine a DA of a pretty large city preferring charges against anyone for a theft of such a small amount with out the insistence of UPS (or other victim). The investigation and prosecution for this so called crime will cost the tax payers much more than the stupid phone retails for without a service contract. However, victims have the right to press charges against a suspect, then the DA follows through. So yes, UPS can and probably does have a big influence in the proceeding of this case, simply by pressing charges.

[dannyboy]

pressing charges is one thing. being guilty or being convicted is another.

a few years back, i pulled up a fence that was 5 feet inside my property line. even had the surveyor out to mark the whole area. neighbor decided to pull out the stakes and filed charges of destruction of private property, claiming the fence was on his property. they came to the house with an arrest warrant 7am as i was getting the kids ready to go to school.

since i happened to know the deputy, he agreed that i would "turn myself in" after i got off work.

long and short of the matter is this. this idiot tried to ruin my life, used the court system to harass and prosecute me, and when he failed to show up as a witness, the charges were dropped. it cost more than 6 grand, and when i sought damages, he was of course bankrupt.

so our system of justice and be missused by individuals and companies for their own agenda. but hopefully the truth and justice will prevail.

red, it is in the courts hands. there it needs to be decided. but if the charges are dropped or he is found innocent of the charge of stealing, i would suspect that ups should be the target of legal action, the lp guy in particular.

jmho

d

[dannyboy]

then you have this

RIVERSIDE — A 66-year-old United Parcel Service employee suspected of diverting goods from the Riverside UPS distribution center where she worked to her daughters' homes is due in court next month, a lieutenant said Thursday.


Donna May of Devore was jailed at the Larry D. Smith Correctional Facility on suspicion of grand theft and embezzlement on Oct. 3, following an eight-month investigation, according to Riverside police Lt. Victor Williams.
She was released the following day in lieu of $5,000 bail and is due at the Riverside courthouse on Nov. 3 for arraignment, he said.

The investigation began at the distribution center at 1391 Spruce St. in Riverside, where May worked, the lieutenant said.

“The investigation revealed a 20-year UPS employee was involved in an elaborate theft scheme in which items being shipped through the UPS facility would be diverted to another location where criminals, whom the items were not intended for, would receive them,” Williams said.
The homes, those of May's daughters, were being used as drop-off points for stolen items such as laptop computers, hand-held electronics, televisions, furniture, paintings, cutlery, kitchen appliances and other items, investigators allege.

Riverside police Detective Kevin Townsend said the daughters told him they thought their mother was ordering items to furnish a new home, since her old one had burned down.

The retail value of the goods amounted to more than $25,000, he said.

another 20 year employee that all of a sudden turned thief? dont know if i believe that.

d

[drewed]

Ok this maybe a dumb question but when a shipper insures a package for the value of it (beyond the 100 dollars) does UPS insure it or does UPS contract out that?
If its an independent insurer it could be them pursuing the charges not UPS

[tieguy]

[quote=705red;411342]
I agree hes guilty of being in possesion of stolen goods because possesion is 9/10ths of the law. The point is he was not charged with that he was charged with stealing the phone.

We don't know if he stole it or if he bought it. You don't know either. You know what he tells you and others. We do know he was in possession of a stolen phone thus the charge. To me there really is no difference between stealing it and buying it stolen.

If i was on trial for murder and during the court hearing i admitted that i jay walked, and was found innocent of the murder they would not find me guilty of jaywalking. Thats not the crime i was charged with.

If you were found in possession of a murdered body you would have a hard time winning the case in court. At the panel however possession is not enough ups has to have someone that says they saw you kill the guy. One of the benifits of a panel.

Why? Because ups management says hes a bad guy? This could have been you! Look he bought the phone, not on ups's time, not in a ups uniform and in a parking lot that ups is not held accountable if your car is vanadlized, broken into or stolen from!

He either bought a brand new blackberry stolen from one of our customers or he stole it. If we don't put a stop to the thievery then we won't have jobs to return to.

You ever have a sup that just didnt like you? by your post im sure you have pissed someone off at some point and time or you could just be a little company suck hole! Which is it.

Your going off on a tangent now Red. Some supervisor that does not like your guy did not instruct him to buy a stolen phone. Thanks for attacking me in order to defend your thief.

[dannyboy]

guys

my suggestion is that we let the court decide what is real and what is not. anything else is counter productive.

bottom line is that sometimes lp gets a bit too excited about catching a thief and thinks they are doing a good job, when in fact they are doing a lot of what you are doing here, making statements about what you think instead of what really is.

lets just see what happens when he gets his day in court.

d

[705red]

[quote=tieguy;411724]

Originally Posted by 705red

I agree hes guilty of being in possesion of stolen goods because possesion is 9/10ths of the law. The point is he was not charged with that he was charged with stealing the phone.

We don't know if he stole it or if he bought it. You don't know either. You know what he tells you and others. We do know he was in possession of a stolen phone thus the charge. To me there really is no difference between stealing it and buying it stolen.

If i was on trial for murder and during the court hearing i admitted that i jay walked, and was found innocent of the murder they would not find me guilty of jaywalking. Thats not the crime i was charged with.

If you were found in possession of a murdered body you would have a hard time winning the case in court. At the panel however possession is not enough ups has to have someone that says they saw you kill the guy. One of the benifits of a panel.

Why? Because ups management says hes a bad guy? This could have been you! Look he bought the phone, not on ups's time, not in a ups uniform and in a parking lot that ups is not held accountable if your car is vanadlized, broken into or stolen from!

He either bought a brand new blackberry stolen from one of our customers or he stole it. If we don't put a stop to the thievery then we won't have jobs to return to.

You ever have a sup that just didnt like you? by your post im sure you have pissed someone off at some point and time or you could just be a little company suck hole! Which is it.

Your going off on a tangent now Red. Some supervisor that does not like your guy did not instruct him to buy a stolen phone. Thanks for attacking me in order to defend your thief.

Tie unless you just admitted to having multiple user accounts i did not attack YOU.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by 705red

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You ever have a sup that just didnt like you? by your post im sure you have pissed someone off at some point and time or you could just be a little company suck hole! Which is it?

Not sure Red could be a kiss , perhaps a chicago hug but it did kinda look like you took a shot at me in defense of your thief?

[705red]

Originally Posted by tieguy

Not sure Red could be a kiss , perhaps a chicago hug but it did kinda look like you took a shot at me in defense of your thief?

Was that psot after yours or finnadict? Someone need a hug today? Feeling a little more insecure than normal?

If i was going to take a shot at you i would do so in direct reply to you, like a man!

[UpstateNYUPSer]

Originally Posted by dannyboy

guys

my suggestion is that we let the court decide what is real and what is not. anything else is counter productive.

bottom line is that sometimes lp gets a bit too excited about catching a thief and thinks they are doing a good job, when in fact they are doing a lot of what you are doing here, making statements about what you think instead of what really is.

lets just see what happens when he gets his day in court.

d

D, the sad part is that after all of this rhetoric the case will more than likely be pleaded out and will not see a courtroom.

[dannyboy]

maybe, but the issue is the ability to withstand the assault of the legal system. the state, and those that use it for their own purposes, have unlimited tax funds to support the actions of the da.

the taxpayer has to not only fund the prosecution, but also his defense. and that really sucks.

in his case i would not plead if he can afford to have the trial. and why should he plead to possession, they can not offer that as they have not charged him with that.

and so it goes

d

[Bloodybrown]

Red, why do you always take on the bleeding heart cases??.....one of these days your going to look so stupid for backing a thug or thief ( you probably already have, but still don't learn your lesson) This guy knew what he was doing when he bought the phone. Chicago people are street smart and play all the angles as you and local do. I think you followed the wrong career path, you should have been a defense attorney and maybe OJ would have hired you for his case in Las vegas. I am sure you think he was innocent now as he was back in the nineties!!!!

[soberups]

Lets break this whole thing down to the basics;

1. The employee was NOT caught stealing. He bought a phone which later proved to be stolen by a different employee, who had NOT yet been caught or accused of theft.
2. The employee voluntarily registered the phone...with serial#....with the Loss Prevention department of the company from whom he supposedly stole it.
3. Posession of stolen goods is not in and of itself a crime. The burden of proof rests with the prosecution to prove that you KNEW it was stolen. There must be criminal intent. If you buy a ring at a pawnshop or used jewelry store, and the ring is subsequently proven to have been stolen, you are not guilty of a crime.
4. A grievance panel...composed of equal union AND management representatives...decided to give this employee his job back.
5. Upon what basis then....does a company pursue criminal charges against an employee who has been determined by a panel of its own representatives to be NOT GUILTY of the crime?