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undercoversupe · 07-26-2006, 09:03 PM

What's up with all of these Management females who have a significant other other then a male? They are being promoted left and right. From District Managers, Operations Managers, IE, Etc. I am all about equality, but as a Shareholder I need to make sure the right individual is performing that job. Far too much UPS wants to satisfy a number or statistic instead of making sure the company is being run corretly. Some of those women are good, but 75% of them are just floating by.

toonertoo · 07-26-2006, 09:12 PM

Ive often wondered the same thing, and I think I have the answer...................
promoting a person with a significant other that is the same sex, IN MOST instances, eliminates the need to worry about this person needing time off to go to their childrens functions, needing a day off when the children are sick, and are usually quite mobile, ie not having a family to move, and saves money in the area of health care, as up to this point and probably not much longer, they only have to pay for a single person and not a family. And for the most part the desired haircut will be there. (the butch look) They will more than likely be willing to give their life to UPS, as they only have an "other" to report to and not a family. And the "other" will usually have their own career that they are pouring themselves in to. From my brief history at UPS that seems to be the way it has worked. Just another reverse discrimination.

07-27-2006, 05:03 AM

Although I agree woman are being promoted to make sure UPS meets its numbers and some could not manage a kindergarden. UPS has alot of males that were just pushed along and promoted because they could scream like a drill sargent in the Army and bully and intimidate people into doing things. Or its the good old boy club. There are a hundreds of managers and upper managers that have no managerial thoughts and are sloths. But if you play golf, hang out with the corect crowd your in. Good thing for the IE manuals and methods or these managers would have no clue how to run a business. They probably were the first ones to install GPS in their cars to get home.

ups79 · 07-27-2006, 07:30 AM

A persons life style means nothing to me, however many of the women and men in such a relationship are adopting children or being inseminated(the women) to have children. Thus that theory is not necessarily true.

happybob · 07-27-2006, 08:32 AM

Who knows for sure why the company is promoting gays into higher management levels. AND WHO CARES.

The company has the right to promotes whomever they choose. If it's for some twisted logic, so be it.

It behoves the company to promote the best and brightest to the upper management levels, for it is these folks that will lead the company into the future.

I for one whould hope that the reason for these promotions is that they are considered to be qualified for the positions and that thier sexual preferance is just that, Thier Preferance.

big_arrow_up · 07-27-2006, 12:56 PM

The decision whether or not to promote someone should be based strictly on qualification and past work record. Seniority should be used as a tie breaker (unfortunately seniority is all that matters in a union job in the hourly ranks). Anything else, ESPECIALLY race, should not be used. Affirmative Action is a cancer of the workforce. As far as an employee having a same sex marriage goes...I don't care as long as they got their job because they were qualified and NOT because they were a minority. And as long as they perform the job like they are supposed to.

UPSER87 · 07-27-2006, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by undercoversupe

What's up with all of these Management females who have a significant other other then a male? They are being promoted left and right. From District Managers, Operations Managers, IE, Etc. I am all about equality, but as a Shareholder I need to make sure the right individual is performing that job. Far too much UPS wants to satisfy a number or statistic instead of making sure the company is being run corretly. Some of those women are good, but 75% of them are just floating by.

You forgot to mention the men in management with significant other other than female.

toonertoo · 07-27-2006, 06:17 PM

UPS79 , I said "IN MOST instances, eliminates the need to worry about this person needing time off to go to their childrens functions" therefore not a theory, but a statement.
Big arrow up, I totally agree
Happy Bob It behoves the company to promote the best and brightest to the upper management levels, for it is these folks that will lead the company into the future. Yes it does.
truth always hurts, you said it all.
upser87, we have those too, but didnt mention it because the thread was about women.
Everyone has valid points and all points were made without any vile comments.
it should be based on the credentials, the ability to supervise and lead people, a proven record, and nothing else.

rod · 07-27-2006, 06:34 PM

hey look at it this way. If all they are doing is looking for a sperm doner then you could get a second job. trouble is most of them are uglier than a mud fence.

DS · 07-27-2006, 07:14 PM

I hate what ups has become.I have no problem with gays,I just have a big one with the upper management that get huge money doing absolutely nothing.If Jim Kelly was still around ups would be more profitable.He saw the truth about promotion as a method to move the company and the employees in a positive motion forward.It used to be that you could not get into mngmt till you did a year on the road as a driver.Now mindless boneheads are allowed to spread out in all directions to attain thier goals.
Creating more problems than there were to start with.They dont see that ups is a lot more than running a computer company,or a paper cutting plant.Its sad that we as hourlies seem to be the only ones holding up our end of the old honesty and integrity initiative.I hate it.All they want is to be big shots and they`ve forgotten what made ups~UPS.

20togo · 07-28-2006, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by double_standard

I hate what ups has become.I have no problem with gays,I just have a big one with the upper management that get huge money doing absolutely nothing.If Jim Kelly was still around ups would be more profitable.He saw the truth about promotion as a method to move the company and the employees in a positive motion forward.It used to be that you could not get into mngmt till you did a year on the road as a driver.Now mindless boneheads are allowed to spread out in all directions to attain thier goals.
Creating more problems than there were to start with.They dont see that ups is a lot more than running a computer company,or a paper cutting plant.Its sad that we as hourlies seem to be the only ones holding up our end of the old honesty and integrity initiative.I hate it.All they want is to be big shots and they`ve forgotten what made ups~UPS.

No communication or leadership from top brass.

over9five · 07-28-2006, 05:51 PM

"What's up with all of these Management females who have a significant other other then a male?"

I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna be PC like the rest of you....

These........people..... come into our company acting like normal people during the interview process. Sometime AFTER they are hired, they let it be known that they are gay. THEN we are stuck with them. Heaven forbid we try to get rid of them for their lackluster performance. If we try, we get the "equal oppurtunity" card thrown in our face. Can't get rid of them because they'd sue us saying it's because their gay.

I see it every day in my own center. Nothing management can do simply because an employee is gay. Makes me ill.

xkingx · 07-28-2006, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by over9five

"What's up with all of these Management females who have a significant other other then a male?"

I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna be PC like the rest of you....

These........people..... come into our company acting like normal people during the interview process. Sometime AFTER they are hired, they let it be known that they are gay. THEN we are stuck with them. Heaven forbid we try to get rid of them for their lackluster performance. If we try, we get the "equal oppurtunity" card thrown in our face. Can't get rid of them because they'd sue us saying it's because their gay.

I see it every day in my own center. Nothing management can do simply because an employee is gay. Makes me ill.

Normal people, huh! what exactly is normal?
all the lesbian sup's and center managers at my bldg, couldnt hide it if they tried..Then again, they arent ashamed of what their lifestyle is..

over9five · 07-28-2006, 06:05 PM

"...they arent ashamed of what their lifestyle is.."

I know. Sad world we live in.

scratch · 07-28-2006, 07:09 PM

We don't have any of these "ladies" around here, I'm surprised that there seems to be so many of them everywhere else. The only Gay person we have at work is a male driver, he was once on one of these "court TV" shows after he got in a tiff with his boyfriend.

toonertoo · 07-28-2006, 07:33 PM

I just knew someone would spice up this thread. (>9.5) and turn it into a heated discussion, by presenting how you feel and the facts..............Here it comes............

Jones · 07-29-2006, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by over9five

"...they arent ashamed of what their lifestyle is.."

I know. Sad world we live in.

Dude, I'm starting to wonder about you. What the heck did a gay person ever do to you to make you so bitter? I have to deal with less than competent people every day at work, and the overwhelming majority of them are straight. Well, at least as far as I know, or care. Honestly I've got more important things to worry about than the sexual orientation of people at UPS. I would hope that's the case with most of us. Hating people because they are different than you is a time consuming proposition, and in the end it won't get you anything but an ulcer. Let it go.

Joopster · 07-29-2006, 02:49 PM

What??????

over9five · 07-29-2006, 07:26 PM

It's not hate. It's disgust.

I don't care one way or the other what people do in their own home. But when they take their depraved lifestyle public, and use it to gain an advantage in the workplace, THATS when I do care.

Keep it in the closet. Don't ask, don't tell. Why in the world would you want to advertise your mental disorder?

As I said before, it's a sad world we live in.

dannyboy · 07-29-2006, 07:45 PM

Jones

Its coming to the point where, while not approved by many, the time is not far away when adults will be able to have sex with children.

Think about it. It was not that long ago that bestiality was against the law, homo-sex as well. Now, not only is it no longer wrong, it is celebrated and in many cases rewarded by companies throughout the country. Its not enough that they enjoy their perversion, they expect us to uphold them as normal, and can sue or have us arrested if we object to their lifestyle?

As 9.5 stated, I dont parade my sexual orientation around, why do they feel the need to? Its like they want approval and when they dont get it, then there is something wrong with me? I dont think so.

It says a lot about our country when we feel like we need to define marriage.

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scratch · 07-29-2006, 07:52 PM

I agree 100% with your last post, Over9five,

What mature adults do in the bedroom is their own business, I could care less. I just get fed up with the "Gay" lifestyle forced on everybody like they deserve special privileges. I am in my late fourties, and it used to be that you could turn on the TV with the kids and there wasn't sex, socalled "mature language", and a Gay character on every TV show.

By the way a lot of you sound in your posts, I can tell that a lot of you are young, you grew up watching this garbage so you think that "anything goes". It used to be that morals were taught in our society, we had discipline in our schools and children actually learned there. I was raised in a Christian household, and I understand what the Bible says. I am amazed that a lot of faiths conviently leave out the parts they don't like and try to interpet it a completely different way.

No, I don't hate Gay people, in fact I feel sorry for them. I think that men should be men and women should be women. Neither one is better than the other, I think that we need a partner of the opposite sex to be complete. The joy of having children naturally will never be realized in a same-sex relationship. Children need the love of both a Father and a Mother to develope emotionally. As someone who has worked with youth, I have noticed that the kids living with Gay partners act differently. I also don't understand why in a Gay relationship, one partner takes on the male role and the other takes on the female traits. Marriage should be between a man and a woman, it is a special covenant in which children can be raised.

JMHO, let the attacks begin!

aspenleaf · 07-29-2006, 10:01 PM

[quote=scratch_king]
. . .By the way a lot of you sound in your posts, I can tell that a lot of you are young, you grew up watching this garbage so you think that "anything goes.". . .

Whippersnapper here, while many of us "kids" may think "anything goes" many of us are just trying to play the game that is very different from when you started out. If the world is being taken over by those who are gay then it behooves us to ride on their coat tails since we can't get ahead if we like the opposite sex. So don't think that we all like how things are; we just want some of the feast they are getting. I don't think they would say they are getting easy either; they do have people who hunt them down and kill them for sport. You hit the nail on the head when you talked about morals. That was not taught in my schooling; we were told to be tolerant of everyone however no one had to be tolerant of me if I disagreed. I think I got shafted growing up when I did since everything was gray. I must say I do admire that you are so open with your thoughts; it should be applauded that you are very firm in your beliefs and your foundation was not built upon the sand. I may be confused as to what I think but I thank you for being so outspoken. It is refreshing to hear other opinions.

tieguy · 07-29-2006, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Truth always hurts

Although I agree woman are being promoted to make sure UPS meets its numbers and some could not manage a kindergarden. UPS has alot of males that were just pushed along and promoted because they could scream like a drill sargent in the Army and bully and intimidate people into doing things. Or its the good old boy club. There are a hundreds of managers and upper managers that have no managerial thoughts and are sloths. But if you play golf, hang out with the corect crowd your in. Good thing for the IE manuals and methods or these managers would have no clue how to run a business. They probably were the first ones to install GPS in their cars to get home.

Thats one of the true benifits to having this message board. If you are a spineless coward you too can post a shot at someone or some group of people and then shrink off into the night.

tieguy · 07-29-2006, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by scratch_king

We don't have any of these "ladies" around here, I'm surprised that there seems to be so many of them everywhere else. The only Gay person we have at work is a male driver, he was once on one of these "court TV" shows after he got in a tiff with his boyfriend.

I'm afraid I'm having a hard time understanding why we are discussing the sexual orientation of upsers. Any way you shake it their sexual orientation is totally irrelevant. If they do a good job its not because they are gay and if they do a bad job its not because they are gay.

over9five · 07-30-2006, 06:03 AM

"..their sexual orientation is totally irrelevant."

Tie, their sexual orientation SHOULD be totally irrelevant. But it becomes very relevant when they use it to keep their job, or keep from any kind of discipline BECAUSE they threaten the company with equal rights violations.

"If they do a good job its not because they are gay and if they do a bad job its not because they are gay."

Probably true, but for a truly equal workforce no-one would know who was gay. We have people who shove it down your throat so management knows not to mess with them. It would result in lawsuits.