Talk of layoffs after Xmas - Brown Cafe

chevyman · 10-11-2008, 03:36 PM

I know after Xmas the volume drops off sharply, but MGMT in our barn is saying it expects to lay off 35 drivers out of about 125 drivers. What's the buzz everywhere else.

Jack4343 · 10-11-2008, 03:55 PM

It's kinda early to even think about next year since we haven't even been through peak yet. However, we have seen cutbacks in the Atlanta area. Most of our cover drivers are now back in the building. I've been dealing with the route next to mine being cut out several days a week since May of this year. Of course, when this happens, the rest of us in the loop go over 9.5 and even over 10.5 and they have stopped taking that route out. It's now a planned under-dispatch which means it is intentionally loaded with under 8 hours of work and parts of the route are taken away and given to other drivers in the loop to make their routes plan to over 8 hours.

Back to the original topic. Will layoffs happen in January? Probably not until February because of the new "extended peak" phenomenon caused by all the gift card and online returns but it will probably happen in most of the country unless DHL ceases it's ground operations completely (as it is now being rumored) and we get our old customers back. That will save us. I think our economy hasn't even begun to get near it's bottom yet and it will get worse before it gets better and we will be hurting next year.

big_arrow_up · 10-11-2008, 04:23 PM

Haven't heard a word about layoffs. In fact, volume has barely gone down this year at all.

Hoaxster · 10-11-2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by big_arrow_up

Conservatism is ruled by logic. Liberalism is ruled by emotion.

In politics it is more like
Conservatism appeals to logic. Liberalism appeals to emotion.

outamyway · 10-11-2008, 04:59 PM

20 or so drivers all ready dropped back part time here. That doesn't include the other facility in Las Vegas. There, they laid off some drivers a couple months ago. I don't have a general figure of how many though. It will be ugly come Dec 26th.

MR_Vengeance · 10-11-2008, 05:07 PM

it's gonna hit us hard when next year comes around. I think this is gonna be the lightest peak .........ever.

rocket man · 10-11-2008, 05:10 PM

30 out 270 thats what i heard. I dont no what to belive? They say dhl is going out of buss. But were gonna charge them 10 billion to move there frieght. They are gonna do what they have to. Im glad to be ateamster. Were gonna need them . As far as can tell ups is not a company to not give up.ups dose not want lay anyone off . our scuz ball cms make you feel like its your fault were droping bussniess.Now the company is trying a salvage operation. When the whole time it should have been preventive matinance starting with useless on roads bad dispatch the wrong pkg cars on the wrong routes not setting up routes for a having a safe hour for lunch.Some of it is our fault

we have some runners who blast out routes no lunch .20 thosand skip a lunch thats a lot of man hours,thats a lot of teamsters who could have been doing a route there are a lot of factors in this mess including the economy. I HOPE THE REST OF THE YEAR WORKS OUT AND WE ALL HAVE A GOOD NEXT YEAR.

over9five · 10-11-2008, 05:10 PM

I've heard management is wondering if this will be "The Peak that never came".

1989 · 10-11-2008, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by outamyway

20 or so drivers all ready dropped back part time here. That doesn't include the other facility in Las Vegas. There, they laid off some drivers a couple months ago. I don't have a general figure of how many though. It will be ugly come Dec 26th.

Doesn't sound like there will be any transfers to Vegas next year.

Jones · 10-11-2008, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoaxster

In politics it is more like
Conservatism appeals to logic. Liberalism appeals to emotion.

If that's the case (and I'm not entirely sure that it is), then conservatism is completely absent from the current presidential race.

And the way things are looking in my building, I would not want to be a junior driver come January. Hopefully things will be turning around before then.

Hoaxster · 10-11-2008, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jones

Originally Posted by Hoaxster

In politics it is more like
Conservatism appeals to logic. Liberalism appeals to emotion.
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Jones;412366
If that's the case (and I'm not entirely sure that it is), then conservatism is completely absent from the current presidential race.

You got it!
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Republicans are not conservatives anymore...just closer than "the Democrats" are.

Brown287 · 10-11-2008, 06:17 PM

My building is in San Jose, the supposed capitol of Silicon Valley. If you watch the news around here other than the housing bubble bursting the job front is great. With that said we have recently hired drivers in our building, but volume is down, stops are down and cars are being scratched daily. So if thats how we are I can only imagine how things are in areas of the country that are being hit hard. I predict the slowest peak in my history and severe layoffs starting towards the end of January. I feel for any driver with less than 5 years under their belt.

newguy1 · 10-11-2008, 06:34 PM

in my center ive heard that they have actually been short on drivers and have had to borrow drivers from other centers....that i came on at a good time, will probably get laid off in december as planned (seasonal) but to wait for the call. volume hasnt been affected much at all, but no one really knows what going to happen this peak

outta hours · 10-11-2008, 07:07 PM

There are many versions of the story, but the basic premise is that a chicken eats lunch one day, and believes the sky is falling down because an acorn falls on her head. She decides to tell the King, and on her journey meets other animals who join her in the quest.

In most retellings, the animals all have rhyming names such as Henny Penny, Cocky Lockey and Goosey Loosey. Finally, they come across Foxy Loxy, a fox who offers the chicken and her friends his help.
After this point, there are many endings. In the most famous one, Foxy Loxy eats the chicken's friends, but the last one, usually Cocky Lockey, survives long enough to warn the chicken and she escapes. Other endings include Foxy eating them all.

In other versions the moral is usually interpreted to mean "do not believe everything you are told". In the latter case, it could well be a cautionary tale. The Chicken jumps to a conclusion and whips the populace into mass hysteria, which the unscrupulous fox uses to manipulate them for his own benefit, some times as supper.

Sound familiar? I think some of you would do well to re-read the story and learn the moral.

Jones · 10-11-2008, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by outta hours

Sound familiar? I think some of you would do well to re-read the story and learn the moral.

I think analogies are generally a poor substitute for an actual argument, but that's probably just me

cachsux · 10-11-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by outta hours

There are many versions of the story, but the basic premise is that a chicken eats lunch one day, and believes the sky is falling down because an acorn falls on her head. She decides to tell the King, and on her journey meets other animals who join her in the quest.

In most retellings, the animals all have rhyming names such as Henny Penny, Cocky Lockey and Goosey Loosey. Finally, they come across Foxy Loxy, a fox who offers the chicken and her friends his help.
After this point, there are many endings. In the most famous one, Foxy Loxy eats the chicken's friends, but the last one, usually Cocky Lockey, survives long enough to warn the chicken and she escapes. Other endings include Foxy eating them all.

In other versions the moral is usually interpreted to mean "do not believe everything you are told". In the latter case, it could well be a cautionary tale. The Chicken jumps to a conclusion and whips the populace into mass hysteria, which the unscrupulous fox uses to manipulate them for his own benefit, some times as supper.

Sound familiar? I think some of you would do well to re-read the story and learn the moral.

Become a vegetarian?

over9five · 10-11-2008, 07:27 PM

Never befriend a chicken?

drewed · 10-11-2008, 07:53 PM

Id say unless there is a booming peak theyll be some layoffs, I wouldnt expect to see any until about the March time frame. I dont think theyll be wide spread and some of the divisions still have increasing volume

Cobra Agent · 10-12-2008, 12:03 AM

how does that work exactly..... If you are fulltime driver and are laid off do you get bumped to part time or bumped into the building as fulltime? And what about pay? How does that work?

New Englander · 10-12-2008, 12:41 AM

Here if your out of progression you get driver rate for 8 hours. Though it doesn't have to be one 8 hour block.

After a certain amount of days of continuous layoff you go to what your time of service would equal at part time rate. Yet after 15 days we can bump into other buildings as well if they have less senior employees driving. Buildings same local.

BURMDPsupe · 10-12-2008, 09:14 AM

Post-peak plans could include layoffs of drivers (feeders and delivery) as well as management (part-time). Don't look for any open positions to be filled in the first quarter (non-management and management).

M-

dragon · 10-12-2008, 04:58 PM

We are not even planning on using all our drivers until the week before peak. They will either be laid off or go back inside. Anybody hear anything about helper payscale for driver. Word is that in the new contract if a driver does not want to work inside but decides to work as a helper, he gets helper pay not driver pay. Some of you have posted that you have the new contract in hard copy, can you share some insight....

Hoaxster · 10-12-2008, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by outta hours

There are many versions of the story, but the basic premise is that a chicken eats lunch one day, and believes the sky is falling down because an acorn falls on her head. She decides to tell the King, and on her journey meets other animals who join her in the quest.

I never had sex with that chicken!
Well, it depends on how you define sex.

705red · 10-13-2008, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoaxster

I never had sex with that chicken!
Well, it depends on how you define sex.

Tastes like chicken!

705red · 10-13-2008, 07:27 AM

We are being told that volume is down and all new seasonal hiring is frozen right now. My center alone plans on using 5 new seasonal drivers this peak and if we dont get them in here quick they wont have what it takes to do a route at xmas.

I do realize that volume is down and this is were ups makes its money, but my stops are up and it still takes time to make each delivery 1 piece or 4 pieces at a time.