Poll

[10 2 go]

705redI dont understand how some people say its a waste of resources! the union agents are salary and get paid to represent the contract. Even if the union loses what
has been lost?


Only more of our union dues getting wasted on crap. Wish we could get back all the union waste. Not counting all the lobbying with the government. Our dues would be no where close to what they are now.

[705red]

Originally Posted by 10 2 go

705redI dont understand how some people say its a waste of resources! the union agents are salary and get paid to represent the contract. Even if the union loses what
has been lost?


Only more of our union dues getting wasted on crap. Wish we could get back all the union waste. Not counting all the lobbying with the government. Our dues would be no where close to what they are now.

If an agent draws a salary he/se gets paid to represent the members grievances, no grievance they still get paid, even though there will never be a shortage of grievances here.

Hows that $32 an hour job you have? pretty good, you received that by wasting your dues on the teamsters to negotiate that pay for ya. Even your screen name is due to the teamsters 10 2 go, are planning on retiring in the near future?

[stevetheupsguy]

Why not just boycott the machines and chip in with the other workers and bring in a cooler full of gatorade/water and snacks? You could buy a ton more fluids and healthier snacks this way. Talk to your wellness coordinator and he/she can arrange it for you.

[New Englander]

Absolute freaken waste of time. I don't even know where to begin.

[705red]

That is a comapny run program here and ups will not allow us to distribute in the building.

However i already have a back up plan if this grievance is lost or ignored. Already have a group of drivers that have volunteered to file grievances for sups working ahen we catch them and we will stock up on gatorades that the comapny paid for and hand them out before the shifts start for a couple of mweeks to really hurt the sales.

[ups79]

The center must be running smooth. Nothing else to grieve?

[10 2 go]

Whoa! relax Red. All i was saying is there is too much waste. I don't care if the BA sits on his butt all day. Why, waste time on frivolous crap about vending machines. No, not for 10 more years anyway. If things get worse maybe longer.

[MonavieLeaker]

Originally Posted by ups79

The center must be running smooth. Nothing else to grieve?

[rod]

Originally Posted by stevetheupsguy

Why not just boycott the machines and chip in with the other workers and bring in a cooler full of gatorade/water and snacks? You could buy a ton more fluids and healthier snacks this way. Talk to your wellness coordinator and he/she can arrange it for you.

Have you ever tried to get a group of UPS employees to chip in on anything? It is next to impossible. A certain % will tell you they are broke, a certain % will say they don't believe in your cause and a certain % won't give you an answer one way or the other. I once (years ago) tried to collect $2.00 apiece from the gang (15 people) to buy a radio to listen to while we did the morning sort------ had to give that idea up. Same with throwing a couple of buck into a sympathy card----ya always had that group that would sign the card but not donate. Same ones would always leave when it was their turn to buy a round

[705red]

Originally Posted by ups79

The center must be running smooth. Nothing else to grieve?

Actually im sitting here filing 47 grievances for drivers that were in progression as of 8/1 that are not being paid the new progression pay.

Plenty of grievances to file, and i have never withdrawn one yet! Or lost one besides a termination here and there.

[satellitedriver]

I am a mid-century fossil, so maybe my point does not apply.
I brown bag it everyday. Breakfast sandwich and lunch , and I have done this all my working life, at many different jobs.
I buy gatorade powder and make my own. Pennies for a quart.
Jeez, you do not walk into a desert without a full canteen.

[705red]

Your also a satelite route and probably have not been into your building in quite sometime.

I keep an igloo cooler thats big enough to hold 3 sases of cans in it, and i pick up what i need on route and store it in my truck, but once again this isnt about me.

[stevetheupsguy]

Originally Posted by satellitedriver

I am a mid-century fossil, so maybe my point does not apply.
I brown bag it everyday. Breakfast sandwich and lunch , and I have done this all my working life, at many different jobs.
I buy gatorade powder and make my own. Pennies for a quart.
Jeez, you do not walk into a desert without a full canteen.

I pack 3 sandwiches and a gatorade, which tide me over till lunch. When I was on the preload I brought food in that I ate before start time and during break time. Have to keep fuel in your body and if the fuel is too expensive you shop elsewhere.

[rod]

Originally Posted by satellitedriver

I am a mid-century fossil, so maybe my point does not apply.
I brown bag it everyday. Breakfast sandwich and lunch , and I have done this all my working life, at many different jobs.
I buy gatorade powder and make my own. Pennies for a quart.
Jeez, you do not walk into a desert without a full canteen.

Ya but you know kids today---they aren't happy unless they are spending 2 bucks on a friggin bottle of water that they could get out of the water cooler for free.

[satellitedriver]

Originally Posted by 705red

Your also a satelite route and probably have not been into your building in quite sometime.

I keep an igloo cooler thats big enough to hold 3 sases of cans in it, and i pick up what i need on route and store it in my truck, but once again this isnt about me.

I did it when I worked in the coal mine, when I was a net maker, when I was a structural fitter, when I was a student.
It is about personal responsibility, not blaming others, for ones lack of planning to the situation they have chosen to be in.

[dannyboy]

Sat

in many centers you are very limited as far as what you can bring into the building. being out on road, you have a lot different system to choose from. being in the building, you are stuck with what is available.

d

[Mike Hawk]

Our center raised prices and got new vendors too, my beef is that they went from Pepsi to Coke, no Mountain Dew cans for $.50, only 20 oz Sprite for $1.25.

About the grievance, it's not a contract issue so don't file a grievance. Boycott the machines, use some grievance money to buy some Gatorade and hand it out, but don't waste your BA's time with grieving non contractual issues.

[trplnkl]

Once upon a time, I worked for a vending company. We placed machines anywhere we could, most places we paid a commission to the owner to reimburse for the space and utilities, 10% of sales was the norm.
I actually set up the building I now work in with their bank of machines.(the ones I set up are long gone) At that time UPS elected to not take the commission to keep the prices down on the products, mainly soft drinks.
You can bet a dollar to a donut that UPS is the cause of the prices being doubled, just another way to screw the people that make them the money they crave.
I'm putting this on my list of reasons I can't wait to get out of UPS.

Upstate, why did you not tell the whole story when asking for the poll votes?

[trplnkl]

Originally Posted by Mike Hawk

Our center raised prices and got new vendors too, my beef is that they went from Pepsi to Coke, no Mountain Dew cans for $.50, only 20 oz Sprite for $1.25.

About the grievance, it's not a contract issue so don't file a grievance. Boycott the machines, use some grievance money to buy some Gatorade and hand it out, but don't waste your BA's time with grieving non contractual issues.

Isn't fairness a contractual issue?

[trplnkl]

Originally Posted by satellitedriver

I am a mid-century fossil, so maybe my point does not apply.
I brown bag it everyday. Breakfast sandwich and lunch , and I have done this all my working life, at many different jobs.
I buy gatorade powder and make my own. Pennies for a quart.
Jeez, you do not walk into a desert without a full canteen.

When there is an oasis in the desert and you have no canteen, you begin to rely on the oasis.
Sat, people of our generation and place of origin were raised differently than todays youth, We should count ourselves lucky. I'm dang glad I had my parents and not me to rear me.lol

[Mike Hawk]

Originally Posted by trplnkl

Isn't fairness a contractual issue?

In the vending machine, no.

[chev]

Originally Posted by stevetheupsguy

Why not just boycott the machines and chip in with the other workers and bring in a cooler full of gatorade/water and snacks? You could buy a ton more fluids and healthier snacks this way. Talk to your wellness coordinator and he/she can arrange it for you.

My thoughts exactly. When I worked inside, I brought my own drink (usually a gallon jug of water) with me every night.
If you quit patronizing their machines, they will eventually get the idea.

[dilligaf]

Stop and think! If they pull the vending machines they will still get a grievance. And this would be a biggie. I call it retaliation for practicing union activities. How would you feel if UPS decided that they did need to provide ice anymore. Or better yet, we have to start feeding quarters into those ice machines. It's past practice. They have provided this service to the employees, they can't just take it away arbitrarily. And I agree with whoever said they don't need to make a profit off these machines. They already make a profit off our backs.

You're setting a precedent. Once it is place you will never get it back.

[dannyboy]

dill

ups deserves to make a profit on the machines.

the problem is that they have the right to prohibit or restrict what you can bring into the building. and that is where the issue lies.

when the company can mandate or limit what you can bring into the building, you are left to use the resources that the company provides.

i always used the water fountain. but it seems that many people feel the need for the more costly products and that is ok.

where the rub lies is that the company got rid of one vendor, then brought in another that would implement its price gouging scheme.

so while it is not specifically covered under the contract, there is basis for the grievance.

of course like i said earlier, the most effective method would be to boycott the machines.

d

[dilligaf]

Danny, if I understand things correctly, they don't pay to have those machines in place and they get a percentage of the profits. The cost of the drink is wrapped up in the charge. So anything they make is a profit. They don't need to gouge us. We have high energy drinks that cost 2 dollars each. That I understand. Those are expensive. Sodas cost 75 cents for a 20 oz.