Day after Thanksgiving - Page 2 - Brown Cafe

sortaisle · 11-19-2008, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBUK

I will be!!

You're a brit!

What'dyabringmetoday??? · 11-19-2008, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

This has always been a question of mine. Some areas get double time while we are paid straight time but this is in addition to the 8 hrs of holiday pay that we get. We always ask and are always told that it is straight time.

Language says we draw an additional day's pay. Unfortunately, there are two schools of thought. Some of us think this could be construed to mean double time. The company thinks it means we get straight time for hours worked, plus the holiday pay. Either way, as you mentioned, it is easy money. Just remember that if you want eight hours you have to reduce it to writing before the last scheduled day prior to the holiday. Not saying it is an issue where you are, but better safe than sorry and be told it is an "hours worked day". Perhaps you do not want the eight hour guarantee, but why bother going in for any less??

UpstateNYUPSer · 11-19-2008, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by What'dyabringmetoday???

Language says we draw an additional day's pay. Unfortunately, there are two schools of thought. Some of us think this could be construed to mean double time. The company thinks it means we get straight time for hours worked, plus the holiday pay. Either way, as you mentioned, it is easy money. Just remember that if you want eight hours you have to reduce it to writing before the last scheduled day prior to the holiday. Not saying it is an issue where you are, but better safe than sorry and be told it is an "hours worked day". Perhaps you do not want the eight hour guarantee, but why bother going in for any less??

Thank you.

HEFFERNAN · 11-19-2008, 05:16 PM

If you were forced in, you are paid time and a half. If you request to work and have seniority, you are paid straight hours. Either way, you get 8 hours holiday time.

What'dyabringmetoday??? · 11-19-2008, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HEFFERNAN

If you were forced in, you are paid time and a half. If you request to work and have seniority, you are paid straight hours. Either way, you get 8 hours holiday time.

This all depends on the supplement you are in. No time-and-a-half here. Actually, the part-time employees have first opportunity to the air deliveries according to the air language. If they use full-time package drivers, they must request the eight hour pay. Too many different articles covering those days. Sure would be nice to have some of the language cleaned up in the future, but that is unlikely. I believe both sides, higher up than us of course, like having all these "grey areas" in the contract. It certainly could be simplified for those like myself (non-rocket scientist).

cachsux · 11-19-2008, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoaxster

from Oxford.com
It really doesn't matter: it's a matter of personal taste. Orientated is currently preferred use in general British use. Oriented is prevalent in technical use, and in the US.

Also, at UPS, the word "orientated" is what is used. I researched this in 1982 when I was in "Personnel" (prior to name change to Human Resources) and my boss used orientated. I did not think that was the right word but it was.

I thought "orientated" was what you got in the back room at the massage house?

Hoaxster · 11-19-2008, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cachsux

I thought "orientated" was what you got in the back room at the massage house?

Unfortunately I don't get it but I am a willing learner!

Bad Gas! · 11-19-2008, 05:50 PM

I'm telling you...in our supplement it's doubletime plus holiday pay...I don't know where it's written but it's been ironed out over last few years here....and, yes, you are corect about requesting 8 hours...--do it on paper.

drewed · 11-19-2008, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoaxster

Unfortunately I don't get it but I am a willing learner!

i think it should be the back of an asian massage parlor....

scratch · 11-19-2008, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad Gas!

I'm telling you...in our supplement it's doubletime plus holiday pay...I don't know where it's written but it's been ironed out over last few years here....and, yes, you are corect about requesting 8 hours...--do it on paper.

IBT/UPS Southern Supplemental Agreement; page 221, Article 60, Section 4: Except as otherwise provided in this Agreement, seniority employees required to work on any of the above named holidays shall receive double the regular hourly rate for all hours worked with a guarantee of eight (8) hours for full-time employees, or ten (10) for employees on a work week of four (4) ten (10) hour days

We are already getting paid eight hours for the holiday, so its an additional double time for all hours worked.

cachsux · 11-19-2008, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drewed

i think it should be the back of an asian massage parlor....

Oh Drew,me love you long time.

Have fun next Friday guys. I`ll be standing on a fishing boat in Missouri.

rod · 11-19-2008, 06:27 PM

I always enjoyed my time off with my family. I can proudly say I never worked one minute at UPS that wasn't required. I never understood the people that would bitch all year long about the hours they worked but they were the first ones to work on a scheduled day off. Steve- I am amazed at the way you present yourself as a family man but then say you are going to work when you can have the day off ---tisk tisk

stevetheupsguy · 11-19-2008, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rod

I always enjoyed my time off with my family. I can proudly say I never worked one minute at UPS that wasn't required. I never understood the people that would bitch all year long about the hours they worked but they were the first ones to work on a scheduled day off. Steve- I am amazed at the way you present yourself as a family man but then say you are going to work when you can have the day off ---tisk tisk

Black Friday, rod, wife will be shopping. We'll probably get home at the same time.

rod · 11-19-2008, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevetheupsguy

Black Friday, rod, wife will be shopping. We'll probably get home at the same time.

go shopping with them

stevetheupsguy · 11-19-2008, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rod

go shopping with them

And spoil the surprise, uh uh, brother.

over9five · 11-19-2008, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rod

go shopping with them

Given those options, I'd work!

rod · 11-19-2008, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by over9five

Given those options, I'd work!

:white flag: ya still wouldn't get me working when I could have the day off.. I would rather sit home and pick my nose

brownmonster · 11-19-2008, 06:49 PM

I'll be sitting around ignoring the family like a good dad.

stevetheupsguy · 11-19-2008, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rod

:white flag: ya still wouldn't get me working when I could have the day off.. I would rather sit home and pick my nose

Ha Ha Ha! You have a point there.

brownmonster · 11-19-2008, 06:55 PM

We have guys that think the world is gonna end if they have over an 8.1 dispatch but watch em lineup for double time.

Bad Gas! · 11-19-2008, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rod

I always enjoyed my time off with my family. I can proudly say I never worked one minute at UPS that wasn't required. I never understood the people that would bitch all year long about the hours they worked but they were the first ones to work on a scheduled day off. Steve- I am amazed at the way you present yourself as a family man but then say you are going to work when you can have the day off ---tisk tisk

I see where your coming from.I don't bitch about too much work but I'd rather have a hard 9.5 day off at regular pay and make the double.With two kids in college it all helps.I have plenty of time to see the family when I get home..The like the money I'm making , too!

UpstateNYUPSer · 11-20-2008, 03:21 AM

My son is going to visit family (including my daughter) in North Carolina for the holiday so it's just me so why not work.

Rod makes some excellent points. Money is not everything, even in today's economy. My daughter will be 24 in December and my son is 21 and, as we all know, this job does not allow us to go to every school function, and while I made my fair share I did miss some. They both knew this and appreciated those that I could attend. Kids grow up so fast that any time that you are able to spend with them should be taken advantage of. Steve, this is the point Rod was trying to make with you and I have to agree with him. Go shopping. Sit in the food court and hold the bags while the girls go shopping. They will take breaks and sit with Dad from time to time. People watch. Yes, you will get a nice jump in your paycheck but time with family cannot be bought at any price.

trplnkl · 11-20-2008, 03:47 AM

UPS won't pay me enough to willingly work the Friday after.

ja4079 · 11-20-2008, 07:20 AM

This will be my 30th Thanksgiving and have never worked the following Friday.

stevetheupsguy · 11-20-2008, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

My son is going to visit family (including my daughter) in North Carolina for the holiday so it's just me so why not work.

Rod makes some excellent points. Money is not everything, even in today's economy. My daughter will be 24 in December and my son is 21 and, as we all know, this job does not allow us to go to every school function, and while I made my fair share I did miss some. They both knew this and appreciated those that I could attend. Kids grow up so fast that any time that you are able to spend with them should be taken advantage of. Steve, this is the point Rod was trying to make with you and I have to agree with him. Go shopping. Sit in the food court and hold the bags while the girls go shopping. They will take breaks and sit with Dad from time to time. People watch. Yes, you will get a nice jump in your paycheck but time with family cannot be bought at any price.

Very well spoken, upstate, almost to the point of getting me to take the day off. I will think about this and let you know what I chose.

Side note; We'll be in NYC this Fri-Sun and I was thinking of running my daughter upstate to see some snow, (hasn't seen any yet), any suggestions as to where we may see some?