discuss: do unions promote laziness?

[Indy135]

curious to what u guys got to say

ill give my thoughts a lil later

[dilligaf]

I don't know what company you work for but the one I work for doesn't allow time for laziness. Contract or no contract.

[User Name]

205 stops 310 pcs 10 pu and 79 miles. I dont think i was lazy today....

[Indy135]

im not callin anybody lazy

im just asking

cuz we all know its much harder for a company to fire a union employee for something trivial then it is for a non union employee

[dilligaf]

Get a life!

[upsguy72]

Laziness what union you talking about. The one I belong to gets you a honest wage for a days work, good health insurance and job security.

If your lazy your giving the union a bad name. If your lazy and working for UPS your not going to be around long.

[Indy135]

well so far every single one of you has taken this question the wrong way

good job guys, looks like u are quick to defend yourself, i am not calling anybody lazy i know alot of ups workers work there asses off

[over9five]

There are no lazy workers at UPS. It's simply not possible.

[Indy135]

Originally Posted by over9five

There are no lazy workers at UPS. It's simply not possible.

u never been to a ups freight dock then

[rocket man]

only a scab would ask that!

[cino321]

Originally Posted by User Name

205 stops 310 pcs 10 pu and 79 miles. I dont think i was lazy today....

Is that with a helper? That's nuts man.

[dilligaf]

You are getting exactly what you asked for. Opinions. My opinion is, that if you need to ask this question then you need to get a life. No, unions do not promote laziness.

[Indy135]

how does me asking a question about unions have anything to do with if i have a life or not

[705red]

This coming from a guy that has the teamsters logo as his avatar!

The union negotiates with the company your working rights, wages, holidays, vacation, seniority, medical plan, pension and spells it out in black and white.

Maybe some union jobs you sit around drinking coffee all day, but at ups you are moving non stop as long as you are on the clock. Now yes we are the highest paid in the industry, but we do more by 1030 am than the common worker does in a whole shift!

If you are really that unhappy at ups freight maybe you should apply for a restraunt job, you should be able to make some good tips with your personality!

[dilligaf]

Originally Posted by Indy135

u never been to a ups freight dock then

Then go ask this on a frieght thread.

[upsgrunt]

Indy- you don't have to actually light a match next to an open container of gas to know what happens. The same goes here.

Remember, you lit the match.

[rocket man]

99 del 31 pu 51 miles plus 6 oca,s 610 pm no helper. it was agood day being a PROUD UNION MEMBER.

[Indy135]

Originally Posted by 705red

This coming from a guy that has the teamsters logo as his avatar!

The union negotiates with the company your working rights, wages, holidays, vacation, seniority, medical plan, pension and spells it out in black and white.

Maybe some union jobs you sit around drinking coffee all day, but at ups you are moving non stop as long as you are on the clock. Now yes we are the highest paid in the industry, but we do more by 1030 am than the common worker does in a whole shift!

If you are really that unhappy at ups freight maybe you should apply for a restraunt job, you should be able to make some good tips with your personality!

its not that im that unhappy, im very good at what i do, and im already the 2nd fastest freight runner on my shift after being there 2 months

its just that nobody respects the next guy, when i load a trailer i think about how the next guy will unload it, and id like him to be able to unload it still on pallets and everything

but u all completely missed the topic anyways so it dont matter

[Indy135]

think about it from my perspective

when i was 18 i worked at a CVS distribution center in indianapolis....on the shipping dock, and we worked our asses off....freight flying at you down conveyor belts, hot as hell in summer cold as in the winter....for $9.65 an hour, non union...if you were too slow, they fire you or really discipline you until you can meet the quota

of course this job was non union....if they had unionized the pay would be more and the work load would be more realistic i guarantee it

now do you get what im saying? there are workers at ups freight roadway yellow usf holland that sit on forklifts all day and make the $23.00 an hour top pay...at CVS the highest paid guy at 17 years in and made $12.25

[dilligaf]

Originally Posted by Indy135

its not that im that unhappy, im very good at what i do, and im already the 2nd fastest freight runner on my shift after being there 2 months

its just that nobody respects the next guy, when i load a trailer i think about how the next guy will unload it, and id like him to be able to unload it still on pallets and everything

but u all completely missed the topic anyways so it dont matter

You are the one that started the 'rant about frieght', you are the one that beats the crap out of the inside a trailer, you are the one that says you aren't unhappy. How can you be the 2nd fastest runner when you waste time beating the crap out of trailers. BTW runner, you are screwing yourself and your 'brothers and sisters' by running. You must have missed that part!

Nobody misunderstood your question.

[705red]

If you think cvs was fast paced, come to ups and i promise you your thinking would change! My building alone we do 225,000 pieces a day in roughly 4 hours in the morning and 4 hours at night, while the drivers deliver it and pick it up in the 10 hours between.

[Indy135]

Originally Posted by 705red

If you think cvs was fast paced, come to ups and i promise you your thinking would change! My building alone we do 225,000 pieces a day in roughly 4 hours in the morning and 4 hours at night, while the drivers deliver it and pick it up in the 10 hours between.

dont speak about something you dont know about

i guarantee you we did just as much freight

[LU710]

Originally Posted by Indy135

think about it from my perspective

when i was 18 i worked at a CVS distribution center in indianapolis....on the shipping dock, and we worked our asses off....freight flying at you down conveyor belts, hot as hell in summer cold as in the winter....for $9.65 an hour, non union...if you were too slow, they fire you or really discipline you until you can meet the quota

of course this job was non union....if they had unionized the pay would be more and the work load would be more realistic i guarantee it

now do you get what im saying? there are workers at ups freight roadway yellow usf holland that sit on forklifts all day and make the $23.00 an hour top pay...at CVS the highest paid guy at 17 years in and made $12.25

It appears to me that you should be focussing your time helping Local 135 organize the CVS distribution center.

[705red]

Originally Posted by Indy135

dont speak about something you dont know about

i guarantee you we did just as much freight

Are you kidding me? your with freight for 2 months and you think that you know the inside and out of ups? You need to take your ass to bed before you really wind up getting embarrassed here tonight. Get some sleep and in the morning your realize what you did/said wrong tonight.

Take my advice and sleep it off.

[big_arrow_up]

I don't think that the Teamsters, or any other union, promotes laziness but I do believe that some people get away with being lazy because they know that its damn near impossible for them to get fired for it. In fact, some sups don't even bother with write ups because they know that suspensions and getting them fired would simply amount to nothing more than an unpaid vacation (sometimes they are practically paid vacations if they get their jobs back with back pay) for these people. During my short decade (and counting) of employment at UPS I've seen these types of employees in three different UPS buildings that I've been in and also at two other union jobs I've had prior to UPS. So, lets just face the facts here.....unions don't promote laziness but they sure as hell don't deter it either.