Trouble brewing in chicago! - Page 2 - Brown Cafe

705red · 01-24-2009, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BrownSuit

Is there ever a time when there isn't trouble in Chicago?

Okay, I don't agree with increasing any costs to employees or retirees during these difficult times, but let me get this straight

Ups can not raise these benefits with out negotiating with the union first!

Last Week - They sent out letters
Today - You sent a letter requesting an immediate response
Next Week - You are taking a strike authorization if you don't have a response

There will be no strike authorization if it happens, after the ulp is filed a 72 hour notice is sent to ups and 1 minute after that 72 hour notice is up its possible that lines could be put up across chicago.

So I'm lost, how is Atlanta letting issues get to this point? They just sent out a letter, isn't it the 705 that's taking this out of context and control? Who is opening their mail and a week later threatening to strike?

So do you expect us to believe that atlanta is not aware of what labor in chicago is doing? After the contract were atlanta had to come in and take over for the area labor manager, they still allow him to carry on with his ways here.

Atlanta is aware of everything, because every email, fax etc also gets sent to atlanta that is sent to labor here.

As of feb 1st the retiree's now have to fork out this unexpected increase, some can no afford this and will do with out medical and prescriptions. I ask you what is right? We will strike to preserve what we have now!

Red, I have a feeling if they took away a ply of your toilet paper you'd threaten to strike.

Im glad that you can make an attempt at humor when we have a serious issue. But understanding that you are a puppet with no abilites to think on your own, its sort of what i have come to expect from you!

What was the time frame on the change in benefits? That's the same time frame that you have to give the company, It has to be tit-for-tat as far as the time allowed for response goes.

When the company violates a cba, you do not show respect, you give them the same respect they had to violating the contract!

705red · 01-24-2009, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by barnyard

In these economic times, a strike would possibly the dumbest thing any union could do. Not only would it be a public relations disaster, but in tight times, it would be handing business to the competition.

So what would you do? Allow the retiree's to go without medical if they couldnt afford it?

Could you sleep at night knowing that "jimmy" died because he couldnt afford his blood pressure medicine because ups violated an existing agreemsnt? If a strike happens, poiint the finger at ups!

I am glad that I am not a 705 member.....

Me two! Maybe you and new england can start your own union! The girl scouts name has already been taken!
TB

FAVREFAN · 01-24-2009, 01:45 PM

I can't believe the lack of support you are getting here Red. My buddy is a retired 705 guy with 30 years. He was paying $50 per month for himself and $50 per month for his wife. So that would go to $300 and $300? $600 a month? I could see if maybe it was negotiated during the contract, like it's supposed to be done, and it went to say $150 per person. That would be fair. But this is out of the blue, outside of the contract. I can't believe these guys in here would be fine with paying $600 per month for themselves and their wives. Yeah, where are their spines? It's no different than the company saying, oh, by the way, here's a letter saying you're not getting $28.90 per/hr to drive anymore, we're making that $19 p/hr now. What the f_ck? We get weaker and weaker. I don't see this union making it another 20 years with the way the National,BA's,Stewards and employees cave in on everything. You want to hear something ironic? IF you are a non-Upser and you were married before and had children and got divorced.....ok.......and then decided you wanted to remarry to a same sex partner that worked at UPS. You know that UPS will cover those children in full? Yet our retirees, who busted their a_ses working for this company for 30 years have to pay $600 per couple?
I have to stop I'm so pissed off.......I'm with you Red. you have my support on this. This has to be stopped, you can't sign a deal and then change it. I agree with most, $50 is way low. But why wasn't this negotiated 6 months ago?

local804 · 01-24-2009, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by barnyard

I am glad that I am not a 705 member.....

TB

hope your kidding

brownman15 · 01-24-2009, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by barnyard

I am glad that I am not a 705 member.....

TB

so is local 705

local804 · 01-24-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by brownman15

so is local 705

and the 804

brownman15 · 01-24-2009, 02:20 PM

we cannot forgot the people that worked before us we would not have a job without them. that is like forgetting the people who fought for this country.

sano · 01-24-2009, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by brownman15

we cannot forgot the people that worked before us we would not have a job without them. that is like forgetting the people who fought for this country.

It is because they depend on us that it would be unwise to talk strike now.
Crying wolf doesn't benefit anybody over the long term

brownman15 · 01-24-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sano

It is because they depend on us that it would be unwise to talk strike now.
Crying wolf doesn't benefit anybody over the long term

so u would rather have ups break the cba. if we let them get away with that what is 2 stop them from other violations

sano · 01-24-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by brownman15

so u would rather have ups break the cba. if we let them get away with that what is 2 stop them from other violations

Why is striking always in the first comments? There are more ways to work through issues than strike.
Think about it. What if every time my wife and I had a little disagreement I would threaten to separate? How smooth would the relationship be?
In another thread the question was asked "Why does UPS hate their employees?" Well as long as the Teamsters first response is to pull out the strike card we will not have good working relationship with the company.

It almost seems like insecurity or an inferiority complex on the part of the union. Do we have no confidence in our ability to sit down and negotiate and work through other avenues.
I get tired of the overacting every time something happens.

local804 · 01-24-2009, 03:32 PM

People always seem to have something to say about any move a union makes. If it was the posters that it affected, I am sure the poster would have looked at it in a total different perspective.Give the powerhouse an inch and they will take a mile.

tieguy · 01-24-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 705red

Last week ups sent out letters to all of our retiree's raising their medical coverage from $50 per dependant to $300 per. The problem here is that at no time during negotiations did ups discuss any changes to the retiree medical as in raising the deductible.

As of today ups has been sent a letter to resolve this within the next 24 hours or teamsters local 705 will be filing a federal lawsuit against ups, a unfair labor practice charge and after the ulp if filed a 72 hour notice to strike will be sent to ups. Its quite possible that a work stoppage would happen in chicago as early as the middle of next week.

I just do not understand how atlanta allows these issues here in chicago to get to this point. Labor here just shows a total disregard for the contract and more importantly the retirees who have served this company for enough years to be able to retire.

Now they expect a retiree whos pension is lets say $3,000 a month and who has himself and wife with one child covered to fork out $900. Thats a third of his pension on an already fixed income!

Way to take care of your people ups! Please show some respect for the past employees, or its quite possible us current employees will have to earn that respect for them!

ups controls your medical benifits?

why would a retiree have a dependent child?

Finishing two threads here with little valid dialogue.

what reasons were given. what is the condition of the plan itself. why wouldn't your union review the finances behind the decision first before pushing the panic button again?

are there any federal laws in play that are forcing this action?

who administers the plan?

brownman15 · 01-24-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sano

Why is striking always in the first comments? There are more ways to work through issues than strike.

reread red's thread was not the the first commend 72 strike notice is after lawsuit and going 2 the labor board

1989 · 01-24-2009, 04:44 PM

I did not know that the union worked for retirees. Are they still paying union dues?

New Englander · 01-24-2009, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by brownman15

so u would rather let ups violate the cba at will and do nothing about it maybe u should work for a non-union company were u have very little rights

I prefer to pay my bills, kids karate tuition, take them to the movies. The youngest's preschool and put food on the table while keeping the house warm.

Take your threat of strike and stick it somewhere.

brownman15 · 01-24-2009, 04:45 PM

Finishing two threads here with little valid dialogue.

what reasons were given. what is the condition of the plan itself. why wouldn't your union review the finances behind the decision first before pushing the panic button again?

are there any federal laws in play that are forcing this action?

who administers the plan?[/QUOTE]

this an negotiated benefit ups never came 2 the union 2 re-negotiate this benefit. this was brought up during contract negotiations a few months ago and ups said there was no changes. now ups sends retires a letter that feb 1 your insurance is going up 600%

brownman15 · 01-24-2009, 04:45 PM

never mind

brownman15 · 01-24-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by New Englander

I prefer to pay my bills, kids karate tuition, take them to the movies. The youngest's preschool and put food on the table while keeping the house warm.

Take your threat of strike and stick it somewhere.

ok so we let ups do whatever they want. soon there will not be any full-time jobs.

New Englander · 01-24-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by brownman15

i wound tell u were

In English please.

New Englander · 01-24-2009, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by brownman15

ok so we let ups do whatever they want. soon there will not be any full-time jobs.

YEAH! That's the ticket. It's so much more cost effective to run part-time routes!

rod · 01-24-2009, 04:49 PM

[quote=brownman15;468917]i wound tell u were[/quote

huh?

brownman15 · 01-24-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 1989

I did not know that the union worked for retirees. Are they still paying union dues?

were do u think the pension money goes. same with social security people that work now fund people that are retired.

rod · 01-24-2009, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by brownman15

were do u think the pension money goes. same with social security people that work now fund people that are retired.

Finally someone understands why I keep telling everyone NOT to retire

brownman15 · 01-24-2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by New Englander

YEAH! That's the ticket. It's so much more cost effective to run part-time routes!

that is what ups would love 2 do. they try everyday 2 send full time drivers home and use air drivers but we have 2 stand up and not let them

trickpony1 · 01-24-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by New Englander

YEAH! That's the ticket. It's so much more cost effective to run part-time routes!

That's right, it is.
I was told by a division manager, right before he retired, that "......someday this whole operation will be part-time.".
Think about it.........
-sub contract the feeder work.
-Send PT'er #1 out at regular time in pkg car. Send Pt'er #2 out 4.5 hours later to finish the route.

I hope your kids value those karate lessons cause when dad's wages get cut to part-time wages there may be no more karate lessons.