management layoffs

[Hedley_Lamarr]

Originally Posted by ETA

will ups lay off any management to reduce cost?

No, management will lay off full time drivers....LIKE ME. This 3:15AM till 7:15AM, then 5:30 till 9:30PM B-S is killing me. Last night I unloaded five trailers, one of which was a trailer of ice melt. Who the hell ships ice melt UPS?!?! I thought driving was tough on your body, man I've never been so sore in my life....

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by stringerman85

Very good post.....I didn't feel like he deserved a friendly response to what he said
I think he is out of line by saying we don't keep the company afloat when we're the majority in the work force, We're the ones greeting customers and bringing in new business. How dare he make himself feel like he's more important and more efficient than we are.

The point he made was one of committment. The fact remains that management are owners of the business. As the business goes so goes our compensation. Your union has fully divested itself from the companies success. They have the h&W money going to the union. pension free of the company. A total collapse at ups would not hurt current unioin monies it would of course hurt future financial flow. Thus your stake as he stated in this company is not as locked in as ours. As owners we lose everything if the business folds.

I think our contract that was finalized last year was part of our "economy cut" We took cuts in almost every category in the contract, including wages, rasies etc...our part has already been done

And hey, I showed up to work the next day.........jerkoff

your contract was not a cut but increased your earnings substantially in a time when many, many others are either losing their jobs or taking pay cuts. You need to pick up a newpaper or turn on a news show and see what it going on in the real world. Perhaps a little less jerking off and a little more self education is required here?

[705red]

Originally Posted by BrownTail28

Bottom line is we will do whatever it takes to keep this company a float. The same cannot be said for the union employees....

In my experience you are the one that is drilling a hole in the floor of the boat, while its the employees that are bailing out bucket loads of water keeping the company a float!

[1989]

Originally Posted by Hedley_Lamarr

No, management will lay off full time drivers....LIKE ME. This 3:15AM till 7:15AM, then 5:30 till 9:30PM B-S is killing me. Last night I unloaded five trailers, one of which was a trailer of ice melt. Who the hell ships ice melt UPS?!?! I thought driving was tough on your body, man I've never been so sore in my life....

Driving is the easiest job at UPS.

[LastBest&Final]

Originally Posted by tieguy

The point he made was one of committment.
The fact remains that management are owners of the business. As the business goes so goes our compensation. Your union has fully divested itself from the companies success. They have the h&W money going to the union. pension free of the company. A total collapse at ups would not hurt current unioin monies it would of course hurt future financial flow. Thus your stake as he stated in this company is not as locked in as ours. As owners we lose everything if the business folds.

As in the chicken is only involved in making the breakfast of eggs and ham but the pig is committed.

Anyone can buy stock and be a owner of UPS.

The first rule in investing for your future is to diversify your portfolio.

I see the point, if you have everything tied up into the company then you do have more to loose, but we all have our futures at stake.

[Sleeve_meet_Heart]

Originally Posted by Hedley_Lamarr

No, management will lay off full time drivers....LIKE ME. This 3:15AM till 7:15AM, then 5:30 till 9:30PM B-S is killing me. Last night I unloaded five trailers, one of which was a trailer of ice melt. Who the hell ships ice melt UPS?!?! I thought driving was tough on your body, man I've never been so sore in my life....

no no, 8 hours in the hub is easy. Most of the drivers say so and how much harder they work, so it must be true

[UpstateNYUPSer]

Originally Posted by 1989

Driving is the easiest job at UPS.

You are right--the hardest part of my job is checking my direct deposit Thursday mornings. As long as I can continue to do that I will be all set.

[bones]

Originally Posted by 1989

Driving is the easiest job at UPS.

I agree with you 1989, I have 23 years, 3 p/t hrly, 4 pt/sup, 6 mos driving, f/t sup in all operations except air or feeders, manager in 4 operations. I don't see how the people that negotiated the contract sleep at night. I know there are those who say that we that have been around earned it and the new people have to also, but when most of us started years ago it was $8.00/hr with benifits. I know and all those who negotiated the contract know what we expect yet they think it is ok to give them this compensation package, I don't agree. The contract steals from the poor to give to the rich or mayby I should say much more fortunate.

[UpstateNYUPSer]

Thank you.

[stringerman85]

Originally Posted by tieguy

your contract was not a cut but increased your earnings substantially in a time when many, many others are either losing their jobs or taking pay cuts. You need to pick up a newpaper or turn on a news show and see what it going on in the real world. Perhaps a little less jerking off and a little more self education is required here?

Our newest contract is probably the poorest it has been ever in the company...But it's a little more understandable considering our bad economy, That's what I mean by cut...There were issues on the contract that were a "loss" compared to other years....

[rocket man]

to brown tail 28 B S most managment are scabs who were union who crossed lines in the past managent lies more than any one in company.maybe not in coprate but at a local level.

[mason575]

haha..I will never part with my turkey coupon. The coupon itself is worth way more than the turkey. I will be able to whip that thing out years from now and show my workmates and get a great laugh. I like to refer to as The Gratitude Raincheck..It will go right next to my 2009 calender. Thats a whole new post there.

[mnnice]

Originally Posted by rocket man

to brown tail 28 B S most managment are scabs who were union who crossed lines in the past managent lies more than any one in company.maybe not in coprate but at a local level.

Just remember that a management person once hired you and you thought it was a good idea, but maybe they lied.

[Hedley_Lamarr]

Originally Posted by 1989

Driving is the easiest job at UPS.

Who woulda thunk it...

I thought my body hurt from driving, I'm friggen dying doing pre-load...

[Hedley_Lamarr]

Originally Posted by Sleeve_meet_Heart

no no, 8 hours in the hub is easy. Most of the drivers say so and how much harder they work, so it must be true

I'll take driving any day. Driving is a stroll in the park compared to this s***....

[Channahon]

So here we go again. UPS management is not worth anything, but Union employees keep the company afloat.

Well, who do you think makes all the business decisions regarding new services, upgrades in technology, acquisitions of other companies, and the global market? That would be a team of management people at the top, who have the foresight to position UPS as a global organization, providing first class service to our customers.

UPS is a union company, and as such, has the highest paid service providers, regardless if you are in package, hub, feeders, air, automotive or plant engineering. And let's not forget our non union administrative employees who make a contribution to UPS as well.

UPS has also been streamling management since the 90's with consolidations of regions and districts globally as well. So is UPS top heavy in management, after 2 buyouts, retiree positions being evaluated and possibly not being replaced at the same level of management, I don't think so.

Imagine any company that did not have management, and a group of employees running the company. Who takes the leadership role to ensure accountability to the end user? Be it a customer or product.

Someone needs to be at the top of an organization, have the foresight and knowledge to adjust to economic conditions, to stay profitable.

And we haven't seen the worst of this recession yet, according to financial analysts. So can management be laid off, anything is possible, but keep in mind volume dictates the number of jobs available for all UPSer's and everyone is at risk. JMO

[chopstic]

Originally Posted by 1989

Driving is the easiest job at UPS.

Driving may not be the easiest job here at UPS, but lets face it... none of the crap we do here at UPS is hard. ANY human being born with 2 arms and legs can do what we do. The hard part is dealing with the complete monotony of brown box after brown box after brown box..... it NEVER ends!

[705red]

Originally Posted by Channahon

So here we go again. UPS management is not worth anything, but Union employees keep the company afloat.

Well, who do you think makes all the business decisions regarding new services, upgrades in technology, acquisitions of other companies, and the global market? That would be a team of management people at the top, who have the foresight to position UPS as a global organization, providing first class service to our customers.

Are you talking about the same group that overpaid for overnite?
That brought us the wonderful pass/edd?
That think its easier to send drivers home and work everyone else 12 hours?
That are spending millions on telematics, but cant put in a 3 point seat belt?
That created ths "sales lead"?
I could go on for ever, but never would i use the word foresight! lol

[Hoaxster]

Originally Posted by 705red

Are you talking about the same group that overpaid for overnite?
That brought us the wonderful pass/edd?
That think its easier to send drivers home and work everyone else 12 hours?
That are spending millions on telematics, but cant put in a 3 point seat belt?
That created ths "sales lead"?
I could go on for ever, but never would i use the word foresight! lol

How about foreplay?

[Channahon]

Originally Posted by 705red

Are you talking about the same group that overpaid for overnite?
That brought us the wonderful pass/edd?
That think its easier to send drivers home and work everyone else 12 hours?
That are spending millions on telematics, but cant put in a 3 point seat belt?
That created ths "sales lead"?
I could go on for ever, but never would i use the word foresight! lol

Yes, I am, as I have seen the changes over the years. from Germany and Canada, to covering over 275 countries and territories globally. Sometimes, we need to take off the blinders in our individual areas of operations to see how UPS evolved into a global organization.

If UPS stayed as it was in 1978, when I started, we would be out of business by now. Second day air only, no next day air, no international, no hundredweight, no UPS freight, no Supply Chain Solutions, no Mail Innovations, and every other value added service UPS has to offer to their customers, to provide their business needs.

You have your union perspective of the company, I have both the union and management perspective, which is the UPS of today.

So what you see as inadequcies in the company, I see as foresight to continue to grow the businesss, both domestically and internationally.

[atatbl]

Originally Posted by 705red

Are you talking about the same group that overpaid for overnite?
That brought us the wonderful pass/edd?
That think its easier to send drivers home and work everyone else 12 hours?
That are spending millions on telematics, but cant put in a 3 point seat belt?
That created ths "sales lead"?
I could go on for ever, but never would i use the word foresight! lol

lmao.... Finally.... I could not a make failure to comprehend anymore apparent.... You post this while in the same thread posting about UPS showing 5 billion in profit..... Pick one side or the other... Wait, never mind, just tell us all you or any union brother could do better so we can just get the laugh out of the way. I can see why you are upset with what is happening to you locally. However, your stance that UPS management is not in the top echelon in the country/world is laughable. Even the most biased in opinions of management would understand that the numbers speak for themselves.

Learn how to create a basic LOGICAL argument and then come back to hype us up.

[browniehound]

Originally Posted by chopstic

Driving may not be the easiest job here at UPS, but lets face it... none of the crap we do here at UPS is hard. ANY human being born with 2 arms and legs can do what we do. The hard part is dealing with the complete monotony of brown box after brown box after brown box..... it NEVER ends!

You may be correct Chopstic that any idiot can be a UPS driver. You're right, any idiot can be a UPS driver. Any idiot can graduate college also. I've read that someone with the IQ of 80 can earn BA.

The issue becomes how good of a college graduate the "IQ 80" person becomes.

I really believe it takes a certain person to be a good UPS driver. Most of us are really good at what we do. The standards management holds us to helps create the best drivers in the industry.

Obviously there are the few proverbial bad apples. I think the same applies to management. I think the ones in control at the top are doing a very good job.

When you consider everything (the economy, the competition, energy prices, etc.) I think they have done a good job in steering the UPS ship. I don't know the details or results of the Overnight acquisition but I know this: I hear about layoffs everyday.

Every company I can think of is laying off employees. As far as I know, UPS hasn't put anyone on the street. Drivers may have been knocked back into the building but they still have a job. All this while still recieving a raise on Febuary 1st.

Count your lucky stars UPSers!

[redshift1]

Originally Posted by browniehound

You may be correct Chopstic that any idiot can be a UPS driver. You're right, any idiot can be a UPS driver. Any idiot can graduate college also. I've read that someone with the IQ of 80 can earn BA.

The issue becomes how good of a college graduate the "IQ 80" person becomes.

I really believe it takes a certain person to be a good UPS driver. Most of us are really good at what we do. The standards management holds us to helps create the best drivers in the industry.

Obviously there are the few proverbial bad apples. I think the same applies to management. I think the ones in control at the top are doing a very good job.

When you consider everything (the economy, the competition, energy prices, etc.) I think they have done a good job in steering the UPS ship. I don't know the details or results of the Overnight acquisition but I know this: I hear about layoffs everyday.

Every company I can think of is laying off employees. As far as I know, UPS hasn't put anyone on the street. Drivers may have been knocked back into the building but they still have a job. All this while still recieving a raise on Febuary 1st.

Count your lucky stars UPSers!

No one with an IQ of 80 could earn a BA. Someone with an IQ of 80 has trouble following simple instructions. There are many infamous examples
of parents who sent their less than average offspring to be awarded a degree based on the parents political or financial influence.
Listen to GWB talk and then explain how he graduated from Yale.

[CRASH501]

We can sit all day & night and have this nice long argument of union vs mgmt but it is what it is . We the union workers show up every & day do our job and go home . We do what has to be done to make management look good ( phone rings its my supervisor , hey those 2 offroutes you have uhmm they are bad addresses. My answer gee thats funny because as a cover driver i recall delivering to that location . His answer no your mistaken you dant have propper area knowledge ) yeah thats real good for the customer huh !!! Now you get a d3 concern posted to your record when the customer calls the 800 # with a complaint . And this goes on in every center i dont wanna hear you say different . Management will cut so many corners to fudge numbers its a freaking disgrace. But the 1 poor shmuck that flags a package & is caught is humiliated. Just keep saying ....i love my job , i love my job , i love my job . Someday you might convince yourself. This is not the same compant that hired me 7 years ago . It's the pitts

[upsgrunt]

Originally Posted by Channahon

So here we go again. UPS management is not worth anything, but Union employees keep the company afloat.

Well, who do you think makes all the business decisions regarding new services, upgrades in technology, acquisitions of other companies, and the global market? That would be a team of management people at the top, who have the foresight to position UPS as a global organization, providing first class service to our customers.

UPS is a union company, and as such, has the highest paid service providers, regardless if you are in package, hub, feeders, air, automotive or plant engineering. And let's not forget our non union administrative employees who make a contribution to UPS as well.

UPS has also been streamling management since the 90's with consolidations of regions and districts globally as well. So is UPS top heavy in management, after 2 buyouts, retiree positions being evaluated and possibly not being replaced at the same level of management, I don't think so.

Imagine any company that did not have management, and a group of employees running the company. Who takes the leadership role to ensure accountability to the end user? Be it a customer or product.

Someone needs to be at the top of an organization, have the foresight and knowledge to adjust to economic conditions, to stay profitable.

And we haven't seen the worst of this recession yet, according to financial analysts. So can management be laid off, anything is possible, but keep in mind volume dictates the number of jobs available for all UPSer's and everyone is at risk. JMO

Chan-
I pretty much agree with you, but I have to point something out that really bugs me.
How come almost every press release from Ups about our drivers must include the words: "highest paid"? And now you include them in your response.
We never hear "hardest working", always "highest paid".
Sorry to rant, but that has always bugged me.

Steve