No Raises - Brown Cafe

Brown54 · 02-03-2009, 05:56 AM

Just the begining?
News as of 2/2/09 Raises have been cancelled for FT managment for the year. Does anyone know if this is nationwide or isolated areas?
Next will be stock bonuses.
Then what? Retirement medical?

jkman · 02-03-2009, 06:04 AM

I think this was expected and all in all could have been a lot worse. I think if we all accept the fact that we are in a troubling times this becomes more palatable. Look at Yellow, FedEx DHL.... Also look at the companies in your backyard. It seems like every MFG company is laying off and downsizing and not just the lower wage earners but the higher level managers.....

feederdriver06 · 02-03-2009, 07:31 AM

All management(PT or FT) is loosing their 401k match too so I was told.

Kraetos · 02-03-2009, 09:07 AM

[quote=feederdriver06;474169]All management(PT or FT) is loosing their 401k match too so I was told.[/quote

Could be just a rumor, but if it is true then they might as well be hour-lies.

dilligaf · 02-03-2009, 09:28 AM

Not a rumor.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p..._cQ&refer=home

Homoudont · 02-03-2009, 11:11 AM

Yeah Mgmt is getting their pay frozen. It could be worse where Mgmt of Fed Ex took anywhere from a 5% to 20% pay cut.

pkg handler · 02-03-2009, 01:09 PM

p/t supes arent affected by the raise part..but everything else we are ( 401 k math etc )

Forty6and2 · 02-03-2009, 04:32 PM

in my region...(not sure about nationwide) they told our management team that UPS will not be replacing any pt supervisors who quit or get fired until the economy gets better.

drewed · 02-03-2009, 04:55 PM

sounds about right, unless you have a profitable district.....

brownmonster · 02-03-2009, 05:00 PM

We keep lopping of driver's routes. How many levels of mgmnt can the man on the street support. We don't need 3 fulltime supes and a center manager to handle 41 routes. The word in today's world is be happy you have a job. I sure am. BM

InTheRed · 02-03-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by brownmonster

We keep lopping of driver's routes. How many levels of mgmnt can the man on the street support. We don't need 3 fulltime supes and a center manager to handle 41 routes. The word in today's world is be happy you have a job. I sure am. BM

a 41 car center should have 2 supes and a managers. Once you get into the 50's and 60's you should have 3.

H_E_Pennypacker · 02-04-2009, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by pkg handler

p/t supes arent affected by the raise part..but everything else we are ( 401 k math etc )

Specialist level employees also are not affected by the merit increase freeze. Supervisors and above are getting the merit increase freeze. Also, all salary bands were frozen for management positions.

sweetpea · 02-04-2009, 02:27 PM

just got my letter in the mail today-admin-i am not getting the 401 stock match either, we get our raises in June, but with the consolidation don't expect to be here in June -UPS seems to want to get rid of all the admins

705red · 02-04-2009, 07:46 PM

This is going to make organizing you all a cake walk! Join the teamsters were there is strength in numbers and every move the company does must be approved by you!

beentheredonethat · 02-04-2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 705red

This is going to make organizing you all a cake walk! Join the teamsters were there is strength in numbers and every move the company does must be approved by you!

"Every mnod the companny does must be approved by you!" Red, aren't you exaggerating a bit. The mgmt committee runs the day to day operations of the companny. It's not the Teamsters!! Granted, there is a contract that gets signed by both sides, and needs to be lived up to for both sides. But, the idea that every move the company does needs teamster approval is rather misleading.

705red · 02-05-2009, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by beentheredonethat

"Every mnod the companny does must be approved by you!" Red, aren't you exaggerating a bit. The mgmt committee runs the day to day operations of the companny. It's not the Teamsters!! Granted, there is a contract that gets signed by both sides, and needs to be lived up to for both sides. But, the idea that every move the company does needs teamster approval is rather misleading.

No its not misleading at all. As a union employee it is up to the union and the members to decide as in this case if they would take a wage freeze.

The union employees are still receiving this february's raise while the non union employees are taking a freeze and even losing their 401k match.

Now on to the employee stock payroll deduction, while management has to except it, we as union employees have a right to file a grievance on it because we nor did the teamsters agree to any concessions. And this is a concession on our part!

IWorkAsDirected · 02-05-2009, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Homoudont

Yeah Mgmt is getting their pay frozen. It could be worse where Mgmt of Fed Ex took anywhere from a 5% to 20% pay cut.

Yes! it could be worse, they could be getting laid off like many hourlies and more to come, yet they are crying that union members are still getting their split raise this year. In fact they claim that ups and the union are talking about not giving the raise. Sour grapes! Would they rather be laid off, they are still working, still getting paid.

705red · 02-05-2009, 07:08 AM

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yet they are crying that union members are still getting their split raise this year. In fact they claim that ups and the union are talking about not giving the raise. Sour grapes! .

Now that i have seen that ups still profited 5.4 billion last year, i would vote against giving up any of my benefits. This is no time to ask for concessions from the back bone of this company!

Just think how much money ups paid out in wrongful termination grievances, sups working, not paying an employee his/her guarantee, and the list goes on. I have seen that ups will be cutting back in a lot of areas, i sure hope violating the contract will be one of these areas!

westsideworma · 02-05-2009, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by IWorkAsDirected

Yes! it could be worse, they could be getting laid off like many hourlies and more to come, yet they are crying that union members are still getting their split raise this year. In fact they claim that ups and the union are talking about not giving the raise. Sour grapes! Would they rather be laid off, they are still working, still getting paid.

I wasn't surprised that the raises and such were cut, I don't think anyone at my building was. Were we disappointed? of course! who wouldn't be? I wasn't pissed that the union people still got theirs...its guaranteed by contract so of course they would. However, some others as you said took offense to hourlies getting a raise while they got left holding an empty bag. I still go and do my job just as I did the day before and the day before that.

Eby1 · 02-05-2009, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 705red

No its not misleading at all. As a union employee it is up to the union and the members to decide as in this case if they would take a wage freeze.

The union employees are still receiving this february's raise while the non union employees are taking a freeze and even losing their 401k match.

Now on to the employee stock payroll deduction, while management has to except it, we as union employees have a right to file a grievance on it because we nor did the teamsters agree to any concessions. And this is a concession on our part!

Why would you have that attitude given that jobs are on the line? You may not realize this but this is not a Non-Union vs Union issue. This is a survival issue and something that effects us all. Not just one or the other.
Now is the time to pull together and put all our energy into gaining market share and competitor business. No Packages, no work for a lot of us. Nothing the Union alone or Management alone can do about this!!! It makes a lo of sense to me that a little willingness to sacrifice now will go a long way towards weathering this storm...and it is a storm!

trplnkl · 02-05-2009, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Eby1

Why would you have that attitude given that jobs are on the line? You may not realize this but this is not a Non-Union vs Union issue. This is a survival issue and something that effects us all. Not just one or the other.
Now is the time to pull together and put all our energy into gaining market share and competitor business. No Packages, no work for a lot of us. Nothing the Union alone or Management alone can do about this!!! It makes a lo of sense to me that a little willingness to sacrifice now will go a long way towards weathering this storm...and it is a storm!

But you need to realize that the drivers and preloaders jobs are hinged on one thing......VOLUME, period. Regardless of a raise or not, concessions of benefits or not, if the work is there the union employees will still be working. Making concessions will not create volume, sorry it just won't do it.
I don't disagree that it is time to pull together and do what we can to develop gains in market share. However there are two approaches to accomplish that goal. One is, of course, getting new accounts. The other is through reverting to old philosophy of making SERVICE in a SAFE manner our priority. Business can get the accounts and the rest of us service the accounts. Sounds fair to me.

nhguy · 02-05-2009, 02:50 PM

Does anyone know if the 401k match will be made for February? I haven't recieved my letter yet and haven't been able to verify what month it actually will stop. Any info would be apprciated.

REMEMBER THE BIG FISH ALWAYS EATS THE LITTLE ONES

brownIEman · 02-05-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 705red

No its not misleading at all. As a union employee it is up to the union and the members to decide as in this case if they would take a wage freeze.

The union employees are still receiving this february's raise while the non union employees are taking a freeze and even losing their 401k match.

Now on to the employee stock payroll deduction, while management has to except it, we as union employees have a right to file a grievance on it because we nor did the teamsters agree to any concessions. And this is a concession on our part!

Red,
You will have to explain to me how accepting the change in the DESPP would be a concession? The DESPP is a benefit the company offered to encourage employees of all levels to gain an ownership stake in the business. It was not negotiated with the teamsters, nor is it in the contract in any form, as far as I know. It was basically a gift from the company, not something fought for by the IBT. Now the company has decided to change it.

How, exactly, would something Teamsters never asked for, negotiated for, nor fought for, nor was ever put in the contract, being altered, qualify as a concession?

Eby1 · 02-05-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by trplnkl

But you need to realize that the drivers and preloaders jobs are hinged on one thing......VOLUME, period. Regardless of a raise or not, concessions of benefits or not, if the work is there the union employees will still be working. Making concessions will not create volume, sorry it just won't do it.
I don't disagree that it is time to pull together and do what we can to develop gains in market share. However there are two approaches to accomplish that goal. One is, of course, getting new accounts. The other is through reverting to old philosophy of making SERVICE in a SAFE manner our priority. Business can get the accounts and the rest of us service the accounts. Sounds fair to me.

For the record, we are on the same page! More than one way to skin a cat right? Bottom line we DO need more volume while also cutting cost. Much success to you in TX!

UPS_UK · 02-05-2009, 03:25 PM

The same is happening over here in the UK. All salaries are being frozen with no pay rises to anyone.

No job losses as of yet though.....