UPS Driver to face charges? - Page 2 - Brown Cafe

covemaster · 02-13-2009, 07:52 AM

In that picture,that dog looks like he is ready to lunge at the driver from his stance.I don't blame him.It also could be a DIAD in his hand.The picture is to far away to see if it was a pipe,and as some one else mentoioned who would carry a pipe to stop.If driver knew this stop had a mean dog he would NI it or indirect it.What kind of a dope would even attempt the house knowing that beast was out and bring pipe to deal with him.I side with the driver. 15 yrs on p/car & never bitten,lucky,many close calls!

Highwayman · 02-13-2009, 08:15 AM

Yea they were just frolicking!

I've been told many times that the dog doesn't bite, then I end up bleeding. Stupid dog owners.

feederdriver06 · 02-13-2009, 08:42 AM

I remember when I first became a package car driver being charged by a St. Bernard the size of CUJO while I was half way up to this guys door delivering a microwave oven. I dropped the microwave in the middle of the guys lawn and ran back to the truck. I always thought it was best to avoid any encounter if possible but if not possible it would have been hand to hand combat and trust me I would have severely hurt any dog that tried to sink its teeth into me. I was a rookie then and did learn little tricks to get a dogs attention. Always jiggle a gate before opening and entering a yard. If theres a dog it will usually come running. If at a front door and a dog starts barking and running towards the door after you ring the bell make sure you brace the door with your hand so the dog cant slam into the door and come out to get you. Also used to carry a box of dog bicuits in the truck as a bribe to any hostile dog. They actually sometimes become your friend after they see you a few times and get a treat.

feederdriver06 · 02-13-2009, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by HEFFERNAN

It's funny, just a couple days ago I was delivering to a house with a German Shepard. He was connected to a clothesline but his leash was held down by a three bags of powder concrete.

Well this dog was a big boy and barking and lunging. As I approached the front door via the driveway, the dog lunged a final time and the leash came out from under the concrete bags.

I nearly crapped myself and ran back to the truck. Luckily the dog could not reach the front porch so I went back and delivered. Very scary seeing a 100lb adult german shepard running toward you.

In the case of the article, we are not suppose to be carrying weapons in our hands. Dog spray(mace) - yes. Biscuits - yes. A club - no. I can see him getting in trouble.

I had a house on my old trip that had a nasty dog chained to a doghouse is their front yard. Well, after a while of the dog pulling left to right on the chain it had become noticable to me that the dog was sawing its way through the wooden doghouse and it was a matter of time before the dog got loose. I ALWAYS made it a point to know where in her yard(and in any other yard-same situation) there was something I could get to and club the dog if I had to. There was a hard rake nearby and that was gonna be my weapon in an emergency. I woulda killed that damn dog without hesitating.

backinbrown · 02-13-2009, 08:54 AM

killing dog is too extreme i will do what i have to do to protect myself but that doesn't mean kill a dog

but some of you sound like thats your first thought KILL THE DOG,

THE DOG DOES NOT KNOW YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THERE

THE DOG IS PROTECTING WHAT IS HIS

SHOULD WE GET BIT NO SHOULD WE PROTECT OURSELVES YES

SHOULD YOUR FIRST THOUGHT BE KILL THE DOG MY OPINION NO

upsguy72 · 02-13-2009, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by backinbrown

killing dog is too extreme i will do what i have to do to protect myself but that doesn't mean kill a dog

but some of you sound like thats your first thought KILL THE DOG,

THE DOG DOES NOT KNOW YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THERE

THE DOG IS PROTECTING WHAT IS HIS

SHOULD WE GET BIT NO SHOULD WE PROTECT OURSELVES YES

SHOULD YOUR FIRST THOUGHT BE KILL THE DOG MY OPINION NO

I would never try to kill a dog. But I would do anything I had to in order to protect myself. Running away from a dog isn't an option. You can't out run a dog. First I'd throw the package at the dog and go the other way. If that failed I have to use my DIAD to defend myself if the dog got injured in the process that isn't my fault.

backinbrown · 02-13-2009, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by upsguy72

I would never try to kill a dog. But I would do anything I had to in order to protect myself. Running away from a dog isn't an option. You can't out run a dog. First I'd throw the package at the dog and go the other way. If that failed I have to use my DIAD to defend myself if the dog got injured in the process that isn't my fault.

I agree 100%

do what you can

comon people you know damn well that you have other options than killing a dog

I am sorry little timmy and susy but the UPS guy killed fluffy

Nice headline for the next days paper

Public will not take kindly to that

some1else · 02-13-2009, 09:13 AM

i got bit 1 time; and not gonna happen again. if there is a dog in the yard i just bag package and toss it to the dog (out the window or from outside the fence) usually they just sit there with it or tear it up. if i get a customer complaint that stop gets a NI1,2,3 if the dog is out

some1else · 02-13-2009, 09:13 AM

btw we had a driver run over a dog. i believe he was nipping at the front wheel and when he took a turn it went under the back. sheriff dep. said dog wasnt on a leash end of story.

upsguy72 · 02-13-2009, 09:19 AM

My training consisted of them tell me to throw something one way and run the other and hope the dog goes towards what you threw.

Stran · 02-13-2009, 09:19 AM

USE THE METHODS! Had he hit his horn as he came to a stop to get attention and called out"delivery", he would have known the dogs were out before leaving his vehicle. I would have stayed in the truck, hit the horn a few more times, waited a few seconds for someone to come out. If no one was home D.I.R.T. it DOG IN YARD. The clerk calls in our center to have packages picked up or it gets reattempted the next day. Dogs out again..same result!!! No need to take a chance!! Happens quite often out in the country and in the inner city. ALWAYS LOOK FOR SIGNS OF DOGS!! I believe the driver could have handled this way better!!

backinbrown · 02-13-2009, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by feederdriver06

I had a house on my old trip that had a nasty dog chained to a doghouse is their front yard. Well, after a while of the dog pulling left to right on the chain it had become noticable to me that the dog was sawing its way through the wooden doghouse and it was a matter of time before the dog got loose. I ALWAYS made it a point to know where in her yard(and in any other yard-same situation) there was something I could get to and club the dog if I had to. There was a hard rake nearby and that was gonna be my weapon in an emergency. I woulda killed that damn dog without hesitating.

do you own a dog

if so lets say the one time your dog wasnt tied because i am sure you are going to say your dog would be tied, lets say it wasn't

how would you feel if you came home and found out i killed your dog

would you say dog desearved it or would you be pissed off because i probly could have done something other than kill your dog.

upsguy72 · 02-13-2009, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Stran

USE THE METHODS! Had he hit his horn as he came to a stop to get attention and called out"delivery", he would have known the dogs were out before leaving his vehicle. I would have stayed in the truck, hit the horn a few more times, waited a few seconds for someone to come out. If no one was home D.I.R.T. it DOG IN YARD. The clerk calls in our center to have packages picked up or it gets reattempted the next day. Dogs out again..same result!!! No need to take a chance!! Happens quite often out in the country and in the inner city. ALWAYS LOOK FOR SIGNS OF DOGS!! I believe the driver could have handled this way better!!

WHAT should he have let the dog bit him first and then hit the dog.

Just because you beep you horn doesn't mean every dog is going jump up and see what going on. So every house we come to we now have to beep are horn 10 times. Give me a break If I know there a dog I don't trust at a address in the country the package gets bagged and left as close to the house as I feel comfortable going. In the city Ni1 I'll try again tomorrow after the third attemp I'll notify the clerk that they need to call the people.

backinbrown · 02-13-2009, 09:34 AM

i use the bag and throw method

upsguy72 · 02-13-2009, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by backinbrown

i use the bag and throw method

I had a house that everytime I went there I had to shut the doors first than bag and open and throw. The people would smile and wave as I drove off.

backinbrown · 02-13-2009, 09:40 AM

lol at least they waved noing the dog wanted you

upsguy72 · 02-13-2009, 09:57 AM

I'm Glad to see that UPS Corporate Office is standing up for the driver.

Dan McMackin, of UPS corporate headquarters in Atlanta, said the incident is under investigation.

"It is unfortunate that the animal was injured," McMackin said in a statement. "Our drivers deliver over 15 million packages a day. Our goal is to provide service to over seven million daily customers and keep commerce in this country moving. We train our drivers on how to defend themselves in the event they encounter a vicious animal. Our driver was fearful for his safety and did what he thought he had to in order to keep from being harmed."

covemaster · 02-13-2009, 10:17 AM

most guys know where the bad dogs are,avoid them! Throwing a bagged pkg over the fence into the yard is stupid and is something I would expect from a postman or a fedexground guy,not a ups person.Indirect the pkg or have clerk post card the consignee.If you find yourself in a dog situationat least whack it with diad or pkg not to kill it just to knock him down.Look around in the springtime and get familier wit the homes witth the dogs.AREA KNOWLEDGE comes to play very well here...

backinbrown · 02-13-2009, 10:18 AM

I am going to try the dog whistle to see if it really works

backinbrown · 02-13-2009, 10:19 AM

COVE

why are you home?

are you sick?

backinbrown · 02-13-2009, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by covemaster

most guys know where the bad dogs are,avoid them! Throwing a bagged pkg over the fence into the yard is stupid and is something I would expect from a postman or a fedexground guy,not a ups person.Indirect the pkg or have clerk post card the consignee.If you find yourself in a dog situationat least whack it with diad or pkg not to kill it just to knock him down.Look around in the springtime and get familier wit the homes witth the dogs.AREA KNOWLEDGE comes to play very well here...

cove
I agree with last half of post

but i am not bagging a 60" t.v. and tossing it.

and i didn't mean to give anyone the reason to think i was trying for a 100 yard bag and throw

But i will in certain circumstances do the bag and throw/TOSS

If shipper is any good pkg will survive and so will i no dog bite

I probably should bring back to clerk i just want to make service as i am the perfect ups employee "joke"

feeder53 · 02-13-2009, 10:33 AM

Maybe we should get video cameras in the truck to cover us when we go into the zone, just like most police agencies do. They monitor just about every other thing. Here in military we have cameras that film all engagements. I feel for the driver, the dog and the owner, but there must be some liability by some or all involved.

covemaster · 02-13-2009, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by backinbrown

cove
I agree with last half of post

but i am not bagging a 60" t.v. and tossing it.

and i didn't mean to give anyone the reason to think i was trying for a 100 yard bag and throw

But i will in certain circumstances do the bag and throw/TOSS

If shipper is any good pkg will survive and so will i no dog bite

I probably should bring back to clerk i just want to make service as i am the perfect ups employee "joke"

i know what you mean,jc penny lands end might give a little toss myself,i love dogs took her to camp last weekend {gets me free munchikins at D.D sanford }

backinbrown · 02-13-2009, 10:45 AM

My dog know's if i come in house with dunkin d's coffee she gets munchkins

You went to camp last weekend

ice fishing?

sexyupsman · 02-13-2009, 11:04 AM

I tried to find the video but couldnt find it. This is unfortunate for the dog and UPS. I hope that this was not a vicious attack on the drivers part. But the dog could have been hostile towards the driver. What was he supposed to do? Let the dog tear him up? Sad. You guys have to deal with other drivers on the road, customers being rude, pedestrians and dogs. I guess UPS is supposed to save the world next?