Any Hubs to Close? - Page 3 - Brown Cafe

bubsdad · 07-04-2009, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by pullman

The Rockford, IL hub will not close! Downsize maybe, but not close. UPS has invested to much time and money to completely close RFD. This is a rumor started by a troll that was either 1... Terminated 2... Layed off or 3... Disgruntled! Not everything on the internet is true! Happy 4th of July!!!!!!!!!!!

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Dman82 · 07-05-2009, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by pullman

The Rockford, IL hub will not close! Downsize maybe, but not close. UPS has invested to much time and money to completely close RFD. This is a rumor started by a troll that was either 1... Terminated 2... Layed off or 3... Disgruntled! Not everything on the internet is true! Happy 4th of July!!!!!!!!!!!

I figured as much. Rumors will be rumors.

I hope everyone had a good 4th? These next couple of months are going to be pretty rough for UPS until we get to October.

Oh and another thing about the RFD closure rumor. If they planed to close RFD, why wouldn't they close it in the summer and not 2 months before the start of Peak season? Therefore it is very easy to say that is was in fact a rumor stated earlier above this post.

Rumors of closings don't bring any good to anyone.

UPS Guy 2 · 07-06-2009, 09:30 AM

Sounds like fear talking there Dman....RFD people have heard rumors of closing in October were hearing you guys might close in 2010 right after peak...makes a little bit more sense.

Buffaloaf · 07-06-2009, 09:59 AM

UPS_Guy 2 -- Are you referring to the Rockford Night Sort or the Twilight Sort? The only sort at RFD that I have heard might be closing is the Twilight Sort. Everything else I have heard is that the Night Sort is safe because it is the Contingency for LOUKY. Even if LOUKY could handle allt he airs, you still need an operating hub that is a contingency for an emergency.

Also, you were originally saying that RFD was going to close in September...and now you are saying after peak. After peak at least makes a little sense; however, if the economy begins to upswing in early 2010, I don't think it would make sense to close down RFD because you would probably have to reopen it again soon -- you do know that UPS has a 90 year lease with the Rockford Airport...I doubt they would leave Rockford all together with roughly 76 years left on the contract that they have paid for.

Dman82 · 07-06-2009, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by UPS Guy 2

Sounds like fear talking there Dman....RFD people have heard rumors of closing in October were hearing you guys might close in 2010 right after peak...makes a little bit more sense.

No, it's not fear since you can't keep the rumors you spread straight and you have no credible sources to back yourself up.

So I know that you're just talking out of your ass.

jedispork · 07-06-2009, 01:05 PM

dman82 is my hero

UPS Guy 2 · 07-06-2009, 03:14 PM

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heard as early as september but that seems unlikely more realistic would be 2010

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no joke, rfd will close by early 2010

my dates have been the same from the beginning and it's still what i'm hearing. my personal opinion is yes twi sort closes night stays open and f/t that work twi/night move to either night/preload, night/am ramp or twi air cargo/night sort

Dman82 · 07-06-2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by UPS Guy 2

my dates have been the same from the beginning and it's still what i'm hearing. my personal opinion is yes twi sort closes night stays open and f/t that work twi/night move to either night/preload, night/am ramp or twi air cargo/night sort

And just where are you getting this "information" from?

You still have not yet provided credible sources to your information.

Buffaloaf · 07-06-2009, 03:27 PM

See, this makes a huge difference. The RFD night sort employs upwards around 600 - 700 people, the twilight sort employs roughly 70 (management included for these projections). So, getting on here and saying "Rockford is closing down" is far different from saying "Rockford twilight will be shutdown"

UPS Guy 2 · 07-07-2009, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Buffaloaf

See, this makes a huge difference. The RFD night sort employs upwards around 600 - 700 people, the twilight sort employs roughly 70 (management included for these projections). So, getting on here and saying "Rockford is closing down" is far different from saying "Rockford twilight will be shutdown"

dude what I'm hearing and my opinion are 2 totally different things. yes i've heard from 2 well respected people that RFD UPS was going to shut down 1st from a Operations & Facilities employee of the Rockford Airport and 2nd from a employee at Crystal Lake. Do I believe they will shut down no.

brownsugar · 07-07-2009, 03:05 PM

UPS is about to complete a billion $ expansion of worldport - so it is possible that RFD volume could be redirected to L'ville to fill up new capacity!

UPS Guy 2 · 07-07-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by brownsugar

UPS is about to complete a billion $ expansion of worldport - so it is possible that RFD volume could be redirected to L'ville to fill up new capacity!

thank you

Buffaloaf · 07-09-2009, 04:08 PM

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thank you

This is really the only compelling reason that has been listed so far. The point I was trying to make, is why Rockford? I already listed a few reasons why it is more feasible that Denver or Philadelphia could be closed instead of Rockford. As others have pointed out, we have a brand new Air Cargo facility and they doubled our sorting capacity two years ago.

Maybe the writing is on the wall, but so far I havn't seen a compelling reason to keep Philadelphia or Hartford or Denver or Ontario open over the Rockford air hub. In fact, I believe the Ontario night sort only has like 5-10 flights... anyways, I digress. There is a chance they could close all the hubs down and redirect to Louisville if the economy doesn't turn around and volume doesn't pick up.

Lou89 · 07-11-2009, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Buffaloaf

This is really the only compelling reason that has been listed so far. The point I was trying to make, is why Rockford? I already listed a few reasons why it is more feasible that Denver or Philadelphia could be closed instead of Rockford. As others have pointed out, we have a brand new Air Cargo facility and they doubled our sorting capacity two years ago.

Maybe the writing is on the wall, but so far I havn't seen a compelling reason to keep Philadelphia or Hartford or Denver or Ontario open over the Rockford air hub. In fact, I believe the Ontario night sort only has like 5-10 flights... anyways, I digress. There is a chance they could close all the hubs down and redirect to Louisville if the economy doesn't turn around and volume doesn't pick up.

What I'm hearing here in Louisville from my friend who is a steward, who has gotten a lot of solid info in the past from a manager in our building, is that they are closing Rockford(partially?) and would like to close Philly.

Buffaloaf · 07-13-2009, 11:20 AM

Lou89 -- I have heard that they want to close the twilight sort on Rockford because the volume is way down on it and it is currently way overstaffed. Perhaps what the partial closing of Rockford is...I hope.

SaltsareFunny · 07-14-2009, 11:57 AM

The way our volume is I can't understand why there has yet to be alot of layoffs but I hope there isn't any!

kingOFchester · 07-14-2009, 02:31 PM

Heard at the Philly air hub, they are going to close a sort......hear say perhaps?

bill102 · 07-14-2009, 10:36 PM

day sort is already cut mondays and fridays and twi is scaled back on fridays at philly

UPS Guy 2 · 07-14-2009, 11:57 PM

word coming from some pt sups is that Rockford twi to run only the next day sort

Buffaloaf · 07-15-2009, 02:10 AM

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word coming from some pt sups is that Rockford twi to run only the next day sort

This is somewhat hard to understand: are you saying that the only thing that will be run on the twilight sort are the next day airs that need to go to Louisville? This would seem to make a lot of sense to me...

UPS Guy 2 · 07-15-2009, 09:49 AM

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This is somewhat hard to understand: are you saying that the only thing that will be run on the twilight sort are the next day airs that need to go to Louisville? This would seem to make a lot of sense to me...

Thats correct it would run much like it did when the hub first opened where twi was just next day volume

Buffaloaf · 07-15-2009, 10:33 AM

Okay, well that's something that I have heard as well...So it won't suprise me if that does come true. Hopefully that's what the guy in LOUKY had heard when someone told him that they were going to "Partially" close RFD.

bubsdad · 07-16-2009, 06:53 PM

Just heard today they are going to close the Roseville, MI hub. Anyone else heard this? This came from a Roseville driver, SUPPOSEDLY.

airbusfxr · 07-16-2009, 07:38 PM

SDF opened a 1 billion buck hub expansion. SDF can handle all the volume EXCEPT when weather hits and closes the hub for 3 days. RFD, CAE, PHL, DFW, ONT, MIA can be downgraded and all NDA can be sorted at Worldport. The economy is driving UPS back to 1986 when all the planes flew to SDF to NDA sort, then fly back to the gateways to be delivered. The gateways will have either a small SDA ops or the aircraft will sit until they are loaded to fly back to SDF at night.

UPS Guy 2 · 07-24-2009, 11:18 PM

RFD has alot of room for planes to sit