"Freedom of Speech"; When am I "Free", to speak my mind? - Page 2 - Brown Cafe

pickup · 03-24-2009, 11:33 AM

I was once in a chatroom with the moderator being from canada. Apparently, their concept of freedom of speech is a little more limited than ours. However, we have started adopting some of their concepts, examples being "Hate speech" which is punishable in some municipalities (usually liberal, as far as I can tell).

Livin the Dream? · 03-24-2009, 12:26 PM

I'm having a difficult time understanding what the confusion is, here...

"freedom of speech/expression" guarantees you no persecution from the government from speaking your mind.

As for anyone other than government, all bets are off. You do have the freedom to say anything you want at all (as long as what you say doesn't affect the rights of others)

Let's simplify - If I go on an internet forum, and say my wife is so fat she uses two zip codes, I've practiced my freedom of speech/expression. And if she reads it, no matter how much I explain the constitution, she is gonna kick my ass.

Say something about UPS, when you so very obviously do not want to be anonymous, and you are pointing a loaded pistol at your head. Not ups specific - any employ in the real world.

dilligaf · 03-24-2009, 12:31 PM

Livin'

I don't think there is any confusion. It's just a discussion.

Sammie · 03-24-2009, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Babooba

Don't hold back. Let her know who's the boss! If you need a place to stay, I have an extra room. I'm a damn good cook too. Just don't give me any lip or I'll crown you with my frying pan!

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Al Gore and Tommy Lee Jones

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Joe Montana and Charlie Weis

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Ving Rhames and Stanley Tucci

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David Lynch and Peter Wolf

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Christopher Reeve and Robin Williams

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MechanicForBrown · 03-24-2009, 01:16 PM

This might sound weird;
My mother always said to me " if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all"
Unfortunately I believe this is good advice in todays world!
I believe it's one's right to say what they feel in regards to ANYTHING but should be cautious of slander and disrespect to a person or a company or group.
on the other hand they say "the squeaky wheel gets the grease", and this is sometimes true, I've seen it allot. But I remind my self that there are and can be serious repercussions for what is said aloud and I try to refrain from being to negative with something! I really don't need any grease!!
and as far as freedom of speech at home, me and the Mrs are on the understanding that we can say anything we feel and we encourage this when we feel frustrated about something. We have been together since middle school and this openness in our relation ship has worked well for us, but I am sure it doesn't work for all. Just saying that you can change what you do about something but can't change your feelings like that!
I do feel that something said about a company or a picture posted on a forum should not be taken out of context and someone disciplined for it, if that post or picture is obviously an opinion and does not represent slander toward said company. unfortunately whats allowed this week might not be allowed next week. JMHO

UpstateNYUPSer · 03-24-2009, 02:30 PM

[quote=Sammie;504925]...The military has full control over the speech of its enlisted members...[quote]

Sammie, this is not necessarily true, although freedom of speech is definitely limited. I spent 8 yrs Air Force and, among other things, I would not have had the right to criticize the President, who is also our Commander In Chief.

covemaster · 03-25-2009, 08:29 AM

Other Famous roomates !!!!!!!

stevetheupsguy · 03-30-2009, 04:33 PM

I had a talk with my B.A. on Saturday. He tells me that I needn't worry about what I say on here. I did explain what I had said, and he said he didn't see what the fuss was, as I was only telling it like "I" saw it. I didn't harass or lie about anything or anyone, and I didn't expose any trade secrets. He did say that he could see why UPS would have a problem with me taking pictures of their technology, I.E. DIADS, PAS/EDD equipment and the "inside" of pkg cars.

Bubblehead · 03-30-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by stevetheupsguy

I had a talk with my B.A. on Saturday. He tells me that I needn't worry about what I say on here. I did explain what I had said, and he said he didn't see what the fuss was, as I was only telling it like "I" saw it. I didn't harass or lie about anything or anyone, and I didn't expose any trade secrets. He did say that he could see why UPS would have a problem with me taking pictures of their technology, I.E. DIADS, PAS/EDD equipment and the "inside" of pkg cars.

Cool, let's here a story about your Center Monster and your On Car Stupervisor.

trplnkl · 03-31-2009, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by stevetheupsguy

I had a talk with my B.A. on Saturday. He tells me that I needn't worry about what I say on here. I did explain what I had said, and he said he didn't see what the fuss was, as I was only telling it like "I" saw it. I didn't harass or lie about anything or anyone, and I didn't expose any trade secrets. He did say that he could see why UPS would have a problem with me taking pictures of their technology, I.E. DIADS, PAS/EDD equipment and the "inside" of pkg cars.

I can see how UPS could try to make a case of taking pictures of the technology but to actually be concerned? How many people in the world have not seen a DIAD before, that would have the knowledge to reproduce any technology? It isn't like you opened it up and took pictures of the circuit board. What great secrets are hidden inside a package car, I mean really secrets? Steve, I haven't seen one pic you posted that would give a competitor a step toward hurting our business. They are all excuses to harass you.

Now as far as the BA telling you not to worry about anything. Our BA says the same until it comes down to the castration ceremony and he starts singing in a higher octave. Needless to say, I don't explicitly trust him either.

brownmonster · 03-31-2009, 06:06 AM

Why would we wan't the competition to see the technology that puts a 2085 Hwy 45 PAL label on a pkg that reads 2085 County Road FF.

over9five · 03-31-2009, 06:50 AM

What if they copy our 2 point seatbelt technology???!!

Livin the Dream? · 03-31-2009, 07:36 AM

...Or the advanced "Non-Canceling directional indicator illuminators", or perhaps the "audible sensory deprivation dashboard"

Oh, I know, it's the "manual reverse-direction audible indicator system"

brownmonster · 03-31-2009, 07:36 PM

Maybe the "Popeye Forearm Assist Steering System" in pre 95 vehicles.

MechanicForBrown · 04-01-2009, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by over9five

What if they copy our 2 point seatbelt technology???!!

OK I've herd enough about this seatbelt thing, I'm going to corporate in Atlanta and will march up the steps of the Ivory hookah tower and straight to the head automotive guy in the company and tell him that " I'm mechanic #1942725 from Chema 0180 and I demand 3 point seat-belts for all package car drivers and I will not back down!!!"
And while I'm there I will advocate 3 point belts for all supervisors office chairs so they don't fall and hurt themselves as they trip from that last blast of smoke from the home made hookah trash cans in their offices!
this 3 point technology will prevent sudden face is droopy syndrome and random drooling on yourself requiring a bib syndrome!!

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Originally Posted by brownmonster

Maybe the "Popeye Forearm Assist Steering System" in pre 95 vehicles.

But I bet you do have strong forearms! LOL

MechanicForBrown · 04-09-2009, 12:10 AM

Every day in life you learn something new;
Today I learned when your wife is pissed off at you, you DO NOT have the freedom to interrupt her when she is speaking and further more SHE and only SHE will have the last WORD!

I'm going to crawl into my LITTLE CAVE now......

over9five · 04-09-2009, 05:41 AM

MFB was bad!!!!!!!!

dilligaf · 04-09-2009, 07:04 AM

Ahhhhhh MFB, did you get into trouble? Tell us all about it. We are here to help! Hehehehe

MechanicForBrown · 04-09-2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dilligaf

Ahhhhhh MFB, did you get into trouble? Tell us all about it. We are here to help! Hehehehe

I did!! But she was already aggravated with something else and I just sort of ticked her off some more. Wasn't a good Idea to mess with momma that time!! OOOHHH well, live and learn right?

soberups · 04-09-2009, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MechanicForBrown

I did!! But she was already aggravated with something else and I just sort of ticked her off some more. Wasn't a good Idea to mess with momma that time!! OOOHHH well, live and learn right?

At least when your Center Manager is all set to rip you a new one you can have a shop steward present. With a wife, we are all alone and there is no contract and we have no rights to representation or progressive discipline or even innocent-until-proven-guilty. We have only the right to beg for forgiveness.

trplnkl · 04-10-2009, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by MechanicForBrown

I did!! But she was already aggravated with something else and I just sort of ticked her off some more. Wasn't a good Idea to mess with momma that time!! OOOHHH well, live and learn right?

My Dad used to tell me, " Son, when you find yourself in a hole the first thing you do is stop digging."

tieguy · 04-10-2009, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by stevetheupsguy

I had an interesting conversation with someone today. We were discussing our rights to free speech. The conversation turned to free speech at work vs free speech at home. I felt that we had limited rights to free speech at work, due to the various rules and regulations than can be enforced by ones employer. I also felt that we had full freedoms of speech, when we are no longer at work.

The person I was speaking with felt the same as I did about freedom of speech, at work. As far as when we leave work, they seemed to think that we were limited in our speech, as far as anything we say about our employer. Intimating that one may be terminated for what one says about their employer, even when not on the clock/job.

I'd like to hear what we, here at the Brown Cafe, feel about this issue?

this thread now rings hollow after your efforts to inhibit my free speech on another thread.

dilligaf · 04-10-2009, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by tieguy

this thread now rings hollow after your efforts to inhibit my free speech on another thread.

Your freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to parent someone elses children. And this thread is a good case in point. There are consequences for opening you mouth and inserting your foot.

UPSNewbie · 04-10-2009, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dilligaf

Your freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to parent someone elses children. And this thread is a good case in point. There are consequences for opening you mouth and inserting your foot.

But but but, Dilli, Tie said that because he has children of his own, he DOES have the right to parent others.

Quoted for truth.

MechanicForBrown · 04-10-2009, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by soberups

At least when your Center Manager is all set to rip you a new one you can have a shop steward present. With a wife, we are all alone and there is no contract and we have no rights to representation or progressive discipline or even innocent-until-proven-guilty. We have only the right to beg for forgiveness.

SO true!