long term telematics experience ???

[pretzel_man]

Originally Posted by DenverBrownDotCom

You keep saying that P-Man, and I keep telling you it's already being abused. As in all things, there are good things. It will help with automotive mainteneance, we get that, it will help with looping and route efficiency, we get that also, but it will also make it possible to build cases on less than factual information, subject to interpretation by a few that want to make a case against someone they have a grudge, or negative opinion of. If you think that doesn't go on, and will not go on, then I have no respect for anything else you may have to say. This company has gotten far away from caring about it's employees since the day James E. Casey died. Since the ISP the company has become purely about money, and could give a crap about it's people. We have become a company run by a bunch of soul selling, money hungry, monsters that would screw their own mothers if it made them more cash. They continue to ruin people physically then refuse their compensation payments. They continue to ruin peoples family lives because it's cheaper to have fewer drivers working more hours. So please spare us the soft spoken, "they wouldn't do that atitude". If you believe that you're either naive, or you think we are.

Maybe Denver is the exception. Maybe you have the best drivers and worse management than everyone else.

I've seen many sites. There is no evidence of your following statement:

"possible to build cases on less than factual information, subject to interpretation by a few that want to make a case against someone they have a grudge, or negative opinion of."

The areas where Telematics is inaccurate is well known. There are contract provisions to protects against what you alledged.

Believe what you want. I know what I've seen and been taught from the corporate group.

Again, maybe Denver is differen than other places. Its been 10 years since I was there, so I don't know.

1500 drivers last year did not see what you are posting about.

P-Man

[UPSNewbie]

I've read your blog, and it's respectable. Here, you're trying to tell everyone, who AREN'T in the same place as you, that they are being blind-folded to the true meaning of telematics. Why do you keep throwing the blanket over the entire system, when it could just be misuse by YOUR management where YOU'RE located?

P-Man has already said, and it is inevitable, that there will be abuse by a few management teams. What about the people who are getting good out of this so far? Don't say "it's happening." Say "it's happening here."

[JimJimmyJames]

In defense of DenverBrownDotCom, the only time UPS is altruistic is when they give to the United Way. And even then, one has to question their ulterior motives.

[local804]

Originally Posted by UPSNewbie

I've read your blog, and it's respectable. Here, you're trying to tell everyone, who AREN'T in the same place as you, that they are being blind-folded to the true meaning of telematics. Why do you keep throwing the blanket over the entire system, when it could just be misuse by YOUR management where YOU'RE located?

P-Man has already said, and it is inevitable, that there will be abuse by a few management teams. What about the people who are getting good out of this so far? Don't say "it's happening." Say "it's happening here."

I can tell by more than your name your a newbie

[Hoaxster]

Originally Posted by JimJimmyJames

In defense of DenverBrownDotCom, the only time UPS is altruistic is when they give to the United Way. And even then, one has to question their ulterior motives.

While I mostly agree with your generalized statement I do find the anthropomorphic personification of UPS interesting. I see this all the time and the resulting broad-brush applied to a non-physical entity instead of human management personnel.

UPS is a legal entity and does not have feelings nor any physical human body.

Not trying to say anything except I find it interesting how we tend to not blame individuals but rather a collective non-physical entity.

[soberups]

Originally Posted by Hoaxster

While I mostly agree with your generalized statement I do find the anthropomorphic personification of UPS interesting. I see this all the time and the resulting broad-brush applied to a non-physical entity instead of human management personnel.

I tend to view "UPS" as more of a collective, much like a colony of ants or a hive of bees. Yes it is composed of many hundreds of thousands of distinct individual units, but at least in the case of management these units are not really capable of independent thought or action, and are instinctively compelled...rightly or wrongly... to act as part of a larger group consciousness. For any Trekkies out there, the best analogy is to view management as part of a Borg collective. Resistance is futile and you will be assimilated. The parallels in regards to the new Telematics implants in our packages cars are actually quite eerie.

[JimJimmyJames]

Originally Posted by Hoaxster

While I mostly agree with your generalized statement I do find the anthropomorphic personification of UPS interesting. I see this all the time and the resulting broad-brush applied to a non-physical entity instead of human management personnel.

UPS is a legal entity and does not have feelings nor any physical human body.

Not trying to say anything except I find it interesting how we tend to not blame individuals but rather a collective non-physical entity.

I find it interesting too.

I should have said "the powers that be at UPS".

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by DenverBrownDotCom

Wow!

I want to congratulate denver on his first intelligent post here. I know you have been working hard at it. Tommorrow I want you to try to achieve the same result only using two words.

[trplnkl]

Originally Posted by tieguy

I want to congratulate denver on his first intelligent post here. I know you have been working hard at it. Tommorrow I want you to try to achieve the same result only using two words.

seeeeee, never happy, always wanting double the production.