Pass Questions

[dilligaf]

Originally Posted by toonertoo

Yes I saw that. Too bad people cannot carry on a civil conversation about something that many of us would like to have a better understanding of, instead start throwing insults. Tisk tisk.

Originally Posted by helenofcalifornia

Someone has been put on a time out.

Thank God!

[satellitedriver]

Drivers should load their own pkg cars, IMHO.
Old school, yet very effective.
I have loaded my car for 14 yrs.
The time lost looking for a package is well replaced, by knowing where it is in the car.
The load is tight and over 70's are in the right place, to balance the weight in my car.
I do more physical work,(and lose time) delivering out of a PAS loaded car, than I do if I load the pkg car.
As a plus, less damaged pkg's.
BTW, my SPORH is higher if I load.
Time "wasted" loading can be time well spent.

[DS]

Sat I agree with you,but the majority of volume is in the hubs,and with a dispatch of 350 drivers,that would have to start an hour earlier,it would have us doing 10 hour days,but I agree it would save money in the end.It takes a preloader 4 hours to do what would take us an hour to do.
IQACM take note preload wastes $$$

[Dagoof]

Originally Posted by DS

Sat I agree with you,but the majority of volume is in the hubs,and with a dispatch of 350 drivers,that would have to start an hour earlier,it would have us doing 10 hour days,but I agree it would save money in the end.It takes a preloader 4 hours to do what would take us an hour to do.
IQACM take note preload wastes $$$

We dont do ten hour days as it is?

[westsideworma]

Originally Posted by DS

Sat I agree with you,but the majority of volume is in the hubs,and with a dispatch of 350 drivers,that would have to start an hour earlier,it would have us doing 10 hour days,but I agree it would save money in the end.It takes a preloader 4 hours to do what would take us an hour to do.
IQACM take note preload wastes $$$

while i dont doubt that, remember many preloaders have 4 cars to load in that 4 hrs some even have 5. But as for loading better, well of course who knows how to load your route better than the person running it

[UpstateNYUPSer]

IQACM?

Internet Quality Assurance Corporate Monitor?

[New Englander]

Originally Posted by satellitedriver

Drivers should load their own pkg cars, IMHO.
Old school, yet very effective.
I have loaded my car for 14 yrs.
The time lost looking for a package is well replaced, by knowing where it is in the car.
The load is tight and over 70's are in the right place, to balance the weight in my car.
I do more physical work,(and lose time) delivering out of a PAS loaded car, than I do if I load the pkg car.
As a plus, less damaged pkg's.
BTW, my SPORH is higher if I load.
Time "wasted" loading can be time well spent.

Ever had a driver on layoff load your car? They are some of the worst.

[brownnblue]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead

What is the matter with this guy StuperSup?
This system is new to this guy, so yes he's ignorant to certain aspects.
That was the purpose of his post.
Knowing the acronym doesn't help.
StuperSup is languishing in the sour taste that persists in his pallet from the lemon that was sold to him in the PAS system.
Sad truth is that this lemon could be significantly sweetened with an increase in maintenance and a partnership with the drivers who use it.
Company spends millions in the implementation of this system and skimps on its daily maintenance.
There will never be a preload supe with the area knowledge for every route they dispatch and of course the hourlies can't be trusted.
A viscous cycle that's played itself out in a continuous loop for 6 years now in my center.
My advice to this driver is to not plan for anything after work.
That way he won't be disappointed.
Stay in the companies ill advised trace as much as possible without incurring "known" service failures.
Take the hours, there will be a lot to be had.

A lot of good points here.

I think Helen of CA said this somewhere but I think that the worst part of PASS (intentionally spelled phonetically to irritate and annoy SuperSup) is that the system COULD BE GREAT. I remember the first week we were on it, the preload was very careful to correlate everything to the proper shelf; and it was fantastic. Selection was a snap, everything was in the right place, and this made up for the majority of the trace problems.

But as time has gone on, the add cut work has deteriorated into a joke, the loads have become sloppy, and the miles have greatly increased. I don't think that the maintenance for upkeep of the system would be that much, but it has to be done consistantly. That would take time, effort, and money. I don't see it improving,

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by brownmonster

3 years in. I make alot of money driving around in circles.

I call it, the concentric circle plan. I do mor loop dee loops, than the Red Baron.

Originally Posted by iowa boy

Naw Scratch, someone just has his internet muscles up and is trying to flex and impress all of us peons who don't know anything and are internet weaklings compared to him.

Very good analogy, iowa.

Originally Posted by satellitedriver

Thank you,
self acclaimed English professor.
Might I suggest you apply standardized grammatical rules into your own posts?
I can count more grammatical flaws, in your post, than you point out in the post you are attacking.
Having addressed that topic, I will move on.
You are skating on thin ice.
You have no right, or privilege, to tell anyone to "shut up" in Brown Cafe.
You have no authority to tell anyone in Brown Cafe to "Go Away".
You do have the right to remain silent, any, and everything you say will be used against you . (Simple use, of the Miranda warning)
To use your vernacular,
when sparing, one should always use a mouth guard. If you don't, you could easily end up losing your teeth, in the Brown Cafe arena.
I hope, and trust, you get my drift.

Nice!

Originally Posted by New Englander

Ever had a driver on layoff load your car? They are some of the worst.

I think they were referring to drivers, loading their own cars.

[pretzel_man]

Originally Posted by satellitedriver

Drivers should load their own pkg cars, IMHO.
Old school, yet very effective.
I have loaded my car for 14 yrs.
The time lost looking for a package is well replaced, by knowing where it is in the car.
The load is tight and over 70's are in the right place, to balance the weight in my car.
I do more physical work,(and lose time) delivering out of a PAS loaded car, than I do if I load the pkg car.
As a plus, less damaged pkg's.
BTW, my SPORH is higher if I load.
Time "wasted" loading can be time well spent.

Satellite:

I think that your approach works very well for extended areas. There are lots of "driver sort and loads" that are effective. On the other hand, this approach is not practical for the majority of UPS areas.

I think there is another "old school" approach that can work in the remaining locations. Its called "management get your priorities straight and do your job!!"

If you look at the things you said you do, we can appropriately apply those things to PAS sites.

First, work with the drivers and get the trace correct in DPS. Its not hard to do and if the correct input is sought a good plan can be created.

Then, properly dispatch the work including pickups. If the first step is done right, this is easy to do and monitor.

Next, work with the preload and teach them to do the same things you mentioned; lip loading, facing labels, where to put oversize / heavy packages, how to snake the load, loading tight, etc.

As you said, by creating a good load, you have higher SPORH. Isn't this what management wants anyway. If we (management) do our job and use the systems, train people, and follow up our goals will be met in a sustainable manner.

I realize people are saying that this isn't happening at your location. I've seen approach work well in many, many buildings.

The problems are not caused by the system, the drivers, or the preloaders. Management not properly using the tools we are given is the cause.

P-Man

[trplnkl]

Originally Posted by pretzel_man

P-Man

Good post as usual P-Man. I used to wish you were my CM, but I have changed my mind. I would much prefer you to be my District Manager. That way you could at least try to stop some of the down flow of poop and work toward re-trainning the Division and Center managers that need to learn how to do the job properly.

Before anyone get's their undies in a wad, I know full well that there is room for improvement in many aspects of UPS down to and including the union workers. But gee, it has to start somewhere.

[helenofcalifornia]

Management that is on Brown Cafe could learn a lot by reading the posts of P-Man, Lifer, Chananon and Hoax. Years of experience in getting it right. Take note all you supervisor and managers who wonder how you can get your employees to work harder for you, maybe even go to the mats for you. You don't have to write them up, yell or threaten them; just treat them right. Won't work with all employees; we have bad ones too, but resorting to calling women bitches doesn't cut it for me.

I second the nomination of P-Man as my District Manager.

[UpstateNYUPSer]

Too late--he is headed to the Empire District.

[CorpMgt1907]

Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

IQACM?

Internet Quality Assurance Corporate Monitor?

That's correct.
That is my official job title if you looked me up in LDAP Outlook.

[UpstateNYUPSer]

OK?

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by pretzel_man

First, work with the drivers and get the trace correct in DPS. Its not hard to do and if the correct input is sought a good plan can be created.
P-Man

I've done most of this and my route is pretty tight, but still needs work. When I ask for something to be done, like maybe streets High to Low or Odd and Even, they hem and haw about it.

Is there a way that NDA's can be put into a different order than the rest of the load? I mean my air gets loaded business then residential, which would be done in 2 loops. Wouldn't it be better to run it in one loop?

[UpstateNYUPSer]

Originally Posted by Spiderman

I've done most of this and my route is pretty tight, but still needs work. When I ask for something to be done, like maybe streets High to Low or Odd and Even, they hem and haw about it.

Is there a way that NDA's can be put into a different order than the rest of the load? I mean my air gets loaded business then residential, which would be done in 2 loops. Wouldn't it be better to run it in one loop?

Is your air committed? If so, it should all be PAL to the 1000 section. If not, it will be treated like any other package under PAS/EDD.

[HEFFERNAN]

Originally Posted by Spiderman

I've done most of this and my route is pretty tight, but still needs work. When I ask for something to be done, like maybe streets High to Low or Odd and Even, they hem and haw about it.

Is there a way that NDA's can be put into a different order than the rest of the load? I mean my air gets loaded business then residential, which would be done in 2 loops. Wouldn't it be better to run it in one loop?

They hem and haw because it means more work for them. I was told they spend more time working on next weeks planned dispatch than the day they are sitting there. They have to have the next 7 days of dispatch done using projected volume.

Also, I don't think the air order is that big of a deal. You should map it out in your head before you leave the building and run it the way YOU need to run it. The order mirrors your regular ground work which is why it goes business first.

[helenofcalifornia]

I guess it depends on who is making the corrections on your DOL. Our Preload manager/dispatch person is fairly quick with corrections. She will tell you if she can do it that day or if it will be done within a week.

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by HEFFERNAN

They hem and haw because it means more work for them. I was told they spend more time working on next weeks planned dispatch than the day they are sitting there. They have to have the next 7 days of dispatch done using projected volume.

Also, I don't think the air order is that big of a deal. You should map it out in your head before you leave the building and run it the way YOU need to run it. The order mirrors your regular ground work which is why it goes business first.

That's what I mean, so am I supposed to deliver the air in that order?

[helenofcalifornia]

Depends on how confident you are with your delivery skills. My air is on shelf 1 and covers both rezzy and business. I try to deliver ground with the air (attempting to stick as close to trace as possible) and usually have all my business air done by 10:10-10:15. I will then shoot out to the rezzies and take care of them. How long have you been driving?

[satellitedriver]

Originally Posted by helenofcalifornia

I guess it depends on who is making the corrections on your DOL. Our Preload manager/dispatch person is fairly quick with corrections. She will tell you if she can do it that day or if it will be done within a week.

Wow!!!
4yrs on PAS/EDD and my sups have not fixed my DOL.
Daily, I have to call in the same misloads. Their excuse is that they are too busy to fix it.

[1989]

6 years on PAS and still average about 65% trace. I had to ask a sup on Friday. I had no idea my trace was so high. The good thing is the consistancy on every route.

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by helenofcalifornia

Depends on how confident you are with your delivery skills. My air is on shelf 1 and covers both rezzy and business. I try to deliver ground with the air (attempting to stick as close to trace as possible) and usually have all my business air done by 10:10-10:15. I will then shoot out to the rezzies and take care of them. How long have you been driving?

i don't deliver air and ground. i do concentric loops. if you deliver air and ground, youre cutting your route down and doing mgmt a favor. i will do no such thing. each stop gets sheeted as an individual stop. i deliver erverthing according to the way its listed in edd. i pretend that everday is timestudy day. would you deliver air with ground on a timestudy? didn't think so.

[screamin chicken]

I totally agree with you on that spiderman, if I have a ND, and a ground for either a buisness, or resi. I tell them I will be back, I will do as much as possible with other buisness ground with my ND though.