Non Union Members

[PassYouBy]

I found out today that two of the people that are NON-Union are/were having problems on the PL have been represented by "OUR" union rep! One guy was fired for being late too many days. The other guy that is still here has had an issue with following directions.

My question is this. Why do they represent a NON UNION employee that doesn't pay union?

[ih8tbrn]

Because that's the way it works in a socialist society.

[tieguy]

teamsters are pushing for a bill to pass that has been mislabeled the free choice bill. If passed it would allow them to hold public votes for unionization. What this means is it would allow them to see who voted for the union and who did not. Once they get that info they can then harrass those who voted against unionization into voting for it. They expect the bill to pass making it much easier to organize those non-union folks. So basically what they are doing is a little marketing to show the non-union folks the benifits of joining. Since people who do thier job do not need unions they off course decided to represent these screw ups.

[ih8tbrn]

Originally Posted by tieguy

Since people who do thier job do not need unions they off course decided to represent these screw ups.

Pretty much sums it up right there.

[bluehdmc]

Originally Posted by tieguy

Since people who do thier job do not need unions they off course decided to represent these screw ups.

Yeah right. If management "played" fairly there wouldn't be a need for unions.

I'm going to assume Louisiana is an "open shop" state. If that is the case, do these "non-union" members pay a "representation fee" in lieu of dues? I think these fees are usually 80% of dues. This representation fee usually entitles them to some of the benefits the union has negotiated. Wages, hours, working conditions. I guess they couldn't/wouldn't save the guy for constant lateness, but maybe it's a bonafide disability or something with the guy with directions. (dyslexia or something)

Just my guess

[local804]

Originally Posted by ih8tbrn

Pretty much sums it up right there.

LOL

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by bluehdmc

Yeah right. If management "played" fairly there wouldn't be a need for unions.

I'm going to assume Louisiana is an "open shop" state. If that is the case, do these "non-union" members pay a "representation fee" in lieu of dues? I think these fees are usually 80% of dues. This representation fee usually entitles them to some of the benefits the union has negotiated. Wages, hours, working conditions. I guess they couldn't/wouldn't save the guy for constant lateness, but maybe it's a bonafide disability or something with the guy with directions. (dyslexia or something)

Just my guess

there are exceptions to every rule but generally those who are the screw ups are those that need a union.

Keep in mind most of the world is non-union and those people generally live in the same neighborhoods we live in and somehow seem to survive without the mighty union protecting them.

Those people make wages that are as much or more as we make and beni's as good or better as ours.

The union tells you what a great job they do but in many ways the beni's for non-union employees at ups are better.

Many companies keep their compensation and benifits at a certain level to ensure their employees do not become dissatisfied and join a union. So in reality the threat of unionization may do more for employee compensation plans then unionization itself.

[satellitedriver]

Originally Posted by PassYouBy

I found out today that two of the people that are NON-Union are/were having problems on the PL have been represented by "OUR" union rep! One guy was fired for being late too many days. The other guy that is still here has had an issue with following directions.

My question is this. Why do they represent a NON UNION employee that doesn't pay union?

Simple answer, it is the law that the union has to treat, and represent, all employees with equal standing under a working contract.
(rarely does this happen, unless the free worker knows the law and has a good attorney)
To reverse your question, why must one be forced to join a union to be employed?
I applied to work at UPS and they accepted. If I can not do the job/career, to their satisfaction, they should have every right to lay me off.
That is the contract I work under.

[UPSNewbie]

Originally Posted by tieguy

there are exceptions to every rule but generally those who are the screw ups are those that need a union.

Keep in mind most of the world is non-union and those people generally live in the same neighborhoods we live in and somehow seem to survive without the mighty union protecting them.

Those people make wages that are as much or more as we make and beni's as good or better as ours.

The union tells you what a great job they do but in many ways the beni's for non-union employees at ups are better.

Many companies keep their compensation and benifits at a certain level to ensure their employees do not become dissatisfied and join a union. So in reality the threat of unionization may do more for employee compensation plans then unionization itself.

Very true.

[rod]

Originally Posted by tieguy

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Keep in mind most of the world is non-union and those people generally live in the same neighborhoods we live in and somehow seem to survive without the mighty union protecting them.

Those people make wages that are as much or more as we make and beni's as good or better as ours.

I would disagree. I retired at 53 (8 yrs ago) and the only ones that I know in my area that can even come close to that are also union employees (or if they were lucky enough -silver spooners) . I know many many people that can't even begin to think about retirement until they reach at least 65 yrs old.

[local804]

Originally Posted by tieguy

Since people who do thier job do not need unions they off course decided to represent these screw ups.

Times have changed since you have worked in the barn my friend. The runners and gunners have been yanked in the office just like the rest of the folks. Everything from not signing a call tag to missing the hand rail while entering the car. A driver got pulled in because all of his sick days were used and he took 3 days off to take his son out of state to a specialist. Driver had proof where he was, didnt matter. The gestapos are all trying to justify the job they hold and one is trying to out do the other. Our binding contract would never be enforced if we didnt have a union and your company would take every last drop of blood from our bodies if you had the chance to do so.

[local804]

Originally Posted by tieguy

there are exceptions to every rule but generally those who are the screw ups are those that need a union.

Keep in mind most of the world is non-union and those people generally live in the same neighborhoods we live in and somehow seem to survive without the mighty union protecting them.

Those people make wages that are as much or more as we make and beni's as good or better as ours.

The union tells you what a great job they do but in many ways the beni's for non-union employees at ups are better.

Many companies keep their compensation and benifits at a certain level to ensure their employees do not become dissatisfied and join a union. So in reality the threat of unionization may do more for employee compensation plans then unionization itself.

Lets not forget who wanted and brought the union to UPS tieguy.

[UPSNewbie]

Originally Posted by local804

Times have changed since you have worked in the barn my friend. The runners and gunners have been yanked in the office just like the rest of the folks. Everything from not signing a call tag to missing the hand rail while entering the car. A driver got pulled in because all of his sick days were used and he took 3 days off to take his son out of state to a specialist. Driver had proof where he was, didnt matter. The gestapos are all trying to justify the job they hold and one is trying to out do the other. Our binding contract would never be enforced if we didnt have a union and your company would take every last drop of blood from our bodies if you had the chance to do so.

Not pointing you out, but technically, there would be no "binding contract" without a union...

[local804]

Originally Posted by tieguy

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The union tells you what a great job they do but in many ways the beni's for non-union employees at ups are better.

I have heard what your people have to pay for your benifits.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by local804

Lets not forget who wanted and brought the union to UPS tieguy.

I'm not taking the argument that far 804 just making the point that most of the world survives without a union protecting them and somehow lives in the same neighborhood as us and drives the same cars.

[local804]

Originally Posted by UPSNewbie

Not pointing you out, but technically, there would be no "binding contract" without a union...

There also would be no 5 weeks vacations per year, coffee pay after 8.5 hours(time bonus) and we would make a boatload less money if the sharks didnt have any rules.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by local804

I have heard what your people have to pay for your benifits.

I'm not sure that contradicts my point that most of the world is non-union and yet they manage to live next door to the union folks.

[local804]

Originally Posted by tieguy

I'm not taking the argument that far 804 just making the point that most of the world survives without a union protecting them and somehow lives in the same neighborhood as us and drives the same cars.

Not sure where you are from (Balt I think) but most top jobs here (NY-Long Island) are union jobs.Our police force SCPD are the highest paid in the nation(yes the nation) school teachers,doctors,sanitation,town workers, firemen are all union.

[UPSNewbie]

Originally Posted by local804

There also would be no 5 weeks vacations per year, coffee pay after 8.5 hours(time bonus) and we would make a boatload less money if the sharks didnt have any rules.

We don't know that. Anti-union comes from management who manages CBUs... I am pro-union, but I can at least see why management seems cold-hearted towards union.

[local804]

Originally Posted by tieguy

I'm not sure that contradicts my point that most of the world is non-union and yet they manage to live next door to the union folks.

I was commenting on your statement that non union benifits at UPS are better.

[local804]

Originally Posted by UPSNewbie

We don't know that. Anti-union comes from management who manages CBUs... I am pro-union, but I can at least see why management seems cold-hearted towards union.

You might not but I do. Do you get paid 15 minutes time bonus if you work passed 8.5 hours? have a 25 and out pension?
We both have a union and our supliments are very different. I am sure the retirees at local 705 are happy as a pig in a ship that they have a union this week.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by local804

Not sure where you are from (Balt I think) but most top jobs here (NY-Long Island) are union jobs.Our police force SCPD are the highest paid in the nation(yes the nation) school teachers,doctors,sanitation,town workers, firemen are all union.

Considering the point that new york is one of the costliest places to live I would expect thier salaries to be structured accordingly. Again not sure your point counters anything I;ve said otherwise.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by local804

I was commenting on your statement that non union benifits at UPS are better.

Overall they are.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by local804

You might not but I do. Do you get paid 15 minutes time bonus if you work passed 8.5 hours? have a 25 and out pension?
We both have a union and our supliments are very different. I am sure the retirees at local 705 are happy as a pig in a ship that they have a union this week.

you may want to hurry up and retire before the last years stock market results gets reported by your pension plan. I think you get a pittance compared to what ups pays in for your benis'.

The retirees could have just as easily brought the lawsuit without the unions help. It would seem to be logical that the union would argue the case in court since they were the ones that were supposed to be watching the shop. The happiness of any retiree is reletive to what he believes he should get. Why for instance are you folks getting such a pittance while the mechanics retiring have so much more coming to them?Would those same retirees have done much better non-union and collecting from a 401 K match plan they invested in for thirty years? At least with the 401 K they would have a potable plan instead of hoping the union plan did not get drained by last years stock market. Again happiness is what it is. Somehow most of the country is non union with most being very happy. How can that be if the union is so much more beneficial to them

Once you step away from the concept that you are worthless without the union and take an objective look you find that its not all its cracked up to be.

[filthpig]

Originally Posted by local804

There also would be no 5 weeks vacations per year, coffee pay after 8.5 hours(time bonus) and we would make a boatload less money if the sharks didnt have any rules.

what in the hell is "coffee pay"?