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UpstateNYUPSer · 04-20-2009, 03:55 AM

I just Googled "UPS driver shoots dog in Arkansas" and it does bring you to a forum where the shooting is discussed but there was no link to an newspaper article. I did mention that it happened in or near Blytheville and the driver was working.

neartom · 04-20-2009, 04:00 AM

Shooting occured on company time. Driver was making residential deliveries. A 10 month old Boxer puppy was chasing his truck. Driver got off truck, walked around truck looking for dog. Fired a warning shot in the air and then shot the puppy as it was running away. Contact Gosnell, AR. Police Dept for verification. This driver needs Advice on how to get his job back.

jw55wags · 04-20-2009, 04:06 AM

This does't look good for this driver. Firing a warning shot then shooting dog as it ran. The question that comes to my mind is WHY?

trplnkl · 04-20-2009, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by neartom

Shooting occured on company time. Driver was making residential deliveries. A 10 month old Boxer puppy was chasing his truck. Driver got off truck, walked around truck looking for dog. Fired a warning shot in the air and then shot the puppy as it was running away. Contact Gosnell, AR. Police Dept for verification. This driver needs Advice on how to get his job back.

He's NOT going to get his job back.

scratch · 04-20-2009, 04:09 AM

Shoots a puppy in the back as its running away? Gun in UPS truck? Lots of things wrong here. Cardinal sin, no guns. We had a supe fired for threatening to fire a gun, not on property.

bubsdad · 04-20-2009, 05:24 AM

Other than the fact that the guy is a fellow teamster why would you even want him to get his job back? Sounds to me like he should already be actively seeking alternate employment and forget about state panel. Also, counseling might be a good suggestion. Seems like he may have a few issues to work out.

over9five · 04-20-2009, 05:26 AM

This is someone we don't want back.

Maybe he can get a job as euthanizer at the local shelter.

<animal shelter, not homeless shelter>

Livin the Dream? · 04-20-2009, 06:22 AM

OK, so now we've gone from stupid (carrying gun while wearing browns - simply a catastrophe waiting for a time to happen) to psychotic - stopping a truck to get out and shoot at a dog.

Never been there, but Canada is nice.

IWorkAsDirected · 04-20-2009, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by neartom

Shooting occured on company time. Driver was making residential deliveries. A 10 month old Boxer puppy was chasing his truck. Driver got off truck, walked around truck looking for dog. Fired a warning shot in the air and then shot the puppy as it was running away. Contact Gosnell, AR. Police Dept for verification. This driver needs Advice on how to get his job back.

If that's the truth, he does not deserve is job or his life.

govols019 · 04-20-2009, 06:44 AM

Saying he doesn't deserve his life is a weee bit harsh, don't ya think?

LastBest&Final · 04-20-2009, 06:46 AM

Always carry a unregistered hand gun to throw down for self defense. If you don't, your just asking for trouble.

IWorkAsDirected · 04-20-2009, 06:48 AM

And the puppy didn't deserve his?

tieguy · 04-20-2009, 07:19 AM

the only prayer this guy has is if he had about 30 years of clean service and asks for another chance.

wannabeups · 04-20-2009, 07:21 AM

The dude sounds like he has some serious issues.

Livin the Dream? · 04-20-2009, 07:42 AM

My sources say that the UPS driver claims the dog drew first.

tae111 · 04-20-2009, 07:43 AM

30 years ago I knew a guy who delivered in a pretty nasty area here. He carried a un-licensed 32. He never used it but he used to say he would rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.

Livin the Dream? · 04-20-2009, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by tae111

30 years ago I knew a guy who delivered in a pretty nasty area here. He carried a un-licensed 32. He never used it but he used to say he would rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.

After his employ was rightfully terminated by one, I assume?

tae111 · 04-20-2009, 08:04 AM

Actually he retired after 30 years. Like I said he never used it. Managment never knew. This is NJ so if he would have been caught he probably would have gone to jail.

feederdriver06 · 04-20-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by trplnkl

The question wasn't if one should or shouldn't protect themselves. The question is if a driver could save his job, and the answer is probably not. Not only is it against company policy, it is against most state laws to carry without a license. There are alot of possible mitigating factors that could help you out on the legal aspect, but none that I can think of that would help you keep your job.

My comment was first geared toward the other members comment about a crazy meth-head.....and second for the dog issue.......that was why I ended with the goog luck comment because I don't think hes gonna get his job back..

feederdriver06 · 04-20-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by tae111

he used to say he would rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.

words to live by most def!! . I too am from LAME-O New Jersey . When I was in packages I delivered in a good area and never carried. NJ pathetic gun laws and the illegality of a private citizen of carrying a handgun in this turd of a state has never stopped me from carrying any of my metal when I see fit.

govols019 · 04-20-2009, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by IWorkAsDirected

And the puppy didn't deserve his?

Comparing the worth of a dog's life to that of a human being is just silly.

Re-Raise · 04-20-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by neartom

Shooting occured on company time. Driver was making residential deliveries. A 10 month old Boxer puppy was chasing his truck. Driver got off truck, walked around truck looking for dog. Fired a warning shot in the air and then shot the puppy as it was running away. Contact Gosnell, AR. Police Dept for verification. This driver needs Advice on how to get his job back.

Probably just another BS post from someone with too much time on their hands. Makes no sense on many levels.

What driver cares if a puppy chases his truck? My truck gets chased by dogs 50 times a day.

If I were carrying a weapon in violation of company policy and risking the loss of my job, it take more than a puppy biting my truck tires to make me discharge the firearm.

Who could really hit a running puppy with a handgun anyway? Didn't the little guy know you are supposed to zig-zag while running away? I am just saying....

soberups · 04-20-2009, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Livin the Dream?

OK, so now we've gone from stupid (carrying gun while wearing browns - simply a catastrophe waiting for a time to happen) to psychotic - stopping a truck to get out and shoot at a dog.

Never been there, but Canada is nice.

I'm not condoning the actions of this driver and if the facts as related to us are true then he is in clear violation of both company policy and the law, and his termination ought to be upheld.

That being said, the assertion that "carrying a gun while wearing browns is a catastrophe waiting to happen" is nothing more than ignorant fear-mongering.

I have had a concealed handgun permit for over 12 years. On many occasions I have been armed---off the clock and off UPS property---after work while still wearing browns. No catastrophe has occured.

Contrary to popular liberal beliefs, the posession of a gun does not turn the bearer into a psychotic maniac. 200 million gun owners didnt kill anyone today.

UPS's "no weapons" policy is meant to protect the company from liability, NOT to protect its employees from harm. A murdered employee can be replaced with one who will be in progression for 3 years and do the same work for $10,000 a year less, so his/her death contitutes a net financial gain for the company. On the other hand, if that same employee succesfully uses a gun to save his/her own life, the family of the scumbag who tried to rob or murder him can sue UPS and hope to hit the jackpot against a company with deep pockets.

In the lawsuit-happy society we live in I cant really blame UPS for its no-weapons rule, although I wish that there was some way for those of us with carry permits to purchase our own liability insurance coverage that would shield UPS from litigation in case we had to defend ourselves.

redshift1 · 04-20-2009, 11:40 PM

In the lawsuit-happy society we live in I cant really blame UPS for its no-weapons rule, although I wish that there was some way for those of us with carry permits to purchase our own liability insurance coverage that would shield UPS from litigation in case we had to defend ourselves.

There must be literally thousands and thousands of times a UPS driver needed a gun to protect himself.

bubsdad · 04-21-2009, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by redshift1

In the lawsuit-happy society we live in I cant really blame UPS for its no-weapons rule, although I wish that there was some way for those of us with carry permits to purchase our own liability insurance coverage that would shield UPS from litigation in case we had to defend ourselves.

There must be literally thousands and thousands of times a UPS driver needed a gun to protect himself.

This is not just a UPS policy. Federal regulations prohibit you from having a loaded, concealed weapon in a commercial vehicle.