Package Driver shoots dog - Page 7 - Brown Cafe

dilligaf · 07-01-2009, 08:07 AM

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trplnkl · 07-01-2009, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike23

If it's you RIGHT it should make it so that UPS can't over ride it. It's you right and therefore cannot be forfeited for a bogus company policy. Otherwise it opens the door to all sorts of rights forfeiting like the right to socialize (we'll be told who we're allowed to communicate with and who not to at work). I tend to hold my rights very highly in my life and asking to forfeit one is, honestly to me, kind of treasonous. I'm not American though so not too sure how it's seen as in the states.

Mike, I feel compelled to ask where you live?

JoeVser · 07-01-2009, 08:22 AM

I agree with the guy that said if they want the truck and contents,drop the keys and RUN! No life is worth a bunch of packages.
By the way,why does UPS call your delivery vehicles "package cars?" They look like trucks to me.....

dilligaf · 07-01-2009, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by trplnkl

Mike, I feel compelled to ask where you live?

Canada Trp, but I don't know where exactly.

Mike23 · 07-01-2009, 08:47 PM

Sorry haven't replied in a bit. Living in Alberta right now. We used to have a gun registration act but I think we're slowly doing away with it. Shockingly, we found that people that kill people aren't people who own legit guns (shocking, I know!).

The big diff I think in Canada is that our Constitution of Rights and Freedoms are followed country wide and don't have 'exceptions' to them (as far as I know) in different provinces. We do have different provincial laws, obviously, but criminal code is criminal code and that's where our 'constitution' is followed country wide. I hope that didn't seem too biggity of me cause not trying to say Canada's better I think we just have it simpler because we have about half the provinces to the US' States, therefore we all kind of follow the leader when someone decides something. Well, except for Quebec but they're like our strange uncle that takes pictures of you when you're sleeping.

over9five · 07-02-2009, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike23

...... but they're like our strange uncle that takes pictures of you when you're sleeping.

Must be a Canadian thing.....

dannyboy · 07-02-2009, 06:09 AM

Here in Tennessee, there used to be a law that prohibits carrying firearms where ever alcohol is served. That law has now been overturned.

The rights of a gun owner to carry arms is there. But the rights of the person that is the land owner/renter are also to be considered. Therefor they have the right to insist that their place of business is off limits to those that carry.

That is coming with a price however, as more and more people are boycotting those businesses that prohibit guns.

As a practical matter, I have one during business hours, and several after hours. And while it will be a while before the trigger finger returns to "normal".......

Crimes are committed by criminals. And criminals will always have access to fire arms or other weapons. England is a good example. Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens are a crime deterrent.

Not only did this guy violate the terms of his employment, but he also showed lack of intelegence when he shot twice at a pup that was retreating.

Even without the violation of UPS policy, that lack of judgement should keep him from working at ups.

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The-UK-Guy · 07-02-2009, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dannyboy

Here in Tennessee, there used to be a law that prohibits carrying firearms where ever alcohol is served. That law has now been overturned.

The rights of a gun owner to carry arms is there. But the rights of the person that is the land owner/renter are also to be considered. Therefor they have the right to insist that their place of business is off limits to those that carry.

That is coming with a price however, as more and more people are boycotting those businesses that prohibit guns.

As a practical matter, I have one during business hours, and several after hours. And while it will be a while before the trigger finger returns to "normal".......

Crimes are committed by criminals. And criminals will always have access to fire arms or other weapons. England is a good example. Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens are a crime deterrent.

Not only did this guy violate the terms of his employment, but he also showed lack of intelegence when he shot twice at a pup that was retreating.

Even without the violation of UPS policy, that lack of judgement should keep him from working at ups.

England is a good example of what ?

dannyboy · 07-02-2009, 04:32 PM

Where the absence of guns shows no decrease in the amount of crime. Violent crime as well.

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QKRSTKR · 07-02-2009, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dannyboy

Where the absence of guns shows no decrease in the amount of crime. Violent crime as well.

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my new favorite bumper sticker

"Guns cause crime like spoons made Rosi O'donnel Fat!"

and "Guns cause crime like flies cause garbage."

labels_up · 07-02-2009, 05:23 PM

I'm very pro-gun but no worries, as a part-timer UPS doesn't pay me enough to be able to afford a good quality handgun plus cost of the license..

Mike23 · 07-02-2009, 07:17 PM

Hmm, this I think is fitting...If you're an old person on fire this may be offensive.

YouTube - I Kill People

soberups · 07-02-2009, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike23

If it's you RIGHT it should make it so that UPS can't over ride it. It's you right and therefore cannot be forfeited for a bogus company policy. Otherwise it opens the door to all sorts of rights forfeiting like the right to socialize (we'll be told who we're allowed to communicate with and who not to at work). I tend to hold my rights very highly in my life and asking to forfeit one is, honestly to me, kind of treasonous. I'm not American though so not too sure how it's seen as in the states.

UPS isnt overriding our rights...they are merely limiting the excercise of them while on company time and property. I dont agree with UPS's "no gun" policy but I do agree with the fact that they have the right to make that policy, and since I want to continue being employed with UPS I will choose to obey that policy.

If it were up to me...employees like myself who have concealed handgun permits would be allowed to carry them while on duty. But its not up to me.

whiskey · 07-02-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoaxster

You must ride a Harley.

He may have been a "hanger-on" and producing a lifeless boxer puppy was part of the biker initiation.

soberups · 07-02-2009, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dannyboy

Crimes are committed by criminals. And criminals will always have access to fire arms or other weapons. England is a good example. Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens are a crime deterrent.d

Meaning no disrespect to our British cousins here, but our 2nd Amendment is the reason that we are "citizens" while (excuse me--"whilst") they are "subjects".

Mike23 · 07-02-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by soberups

UPS isnt overriding our rights...they are merely limiting the excercise of them while on company time and property. I dont agree with UPS's "no gun" policy but I do agree with the fact that they have the right to make that policy, and since I want to continue being employed with UPS I will choose to obey that policy.

If it were up to me...employees like myself who have concealed handgun permits would be allowed to carry them while on duty. But its not up to me.

That sort of looking at it black and white. UPS could also say, one day, not to speak with anyone from Iraq because US is at war with them and it give a bad public view of us. Once you start 'limiting' rights, where does it end? The laws were put into place for a reason, not for UPS to be able to over ride them (which I've noticed they tend to do as long as it saves them money).

The-UK-Guy · 07-03-2009, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by dannyboy

Where the absence of guns shows no decrease in the amount of crime. Violent crime as well.

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There`s a hell of a lot less shootings and fatality`s though

trplnkl · 07-03-2009, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by The-UK-Guy

There`s a hell of a lot less shootings and fatality`s though

Is there really? Seems I read some stats not too long ago that wasn't actually the case. I don't remember where I saw it though.
What your guns laws have done was open the door for criminals to walk through without worry of getting shot. They have also made otherwise law abiding people criminals for just protecting their families.

dilligaf · 07-03-2009, 04:30 AM

All this talk of guns and the right (or lack thereof) to own them makes me happy that I live in AZ. I could not, in good conscience, move to or live in a state that does not allow me to own guns.

trplnkl · 07-03-2009, 04:46 AM

Me either Dilli. When I was in high school half of the vehicles in the school parking lot were pickups and half of those had gun racks in the back window, many had guns in the racks. In the warmer months of the year people didn't even roll the windows up and no one ever locked the doors. I don't remember ever hearing of a gun being stolen from a pickup. We didn't even know what registration of guns was. It was not uncommon to see someone with a pistol in a holster on their belt. You just couldn't hide it under your jacket. Then the State screwed up and started letting foriegners move into the state and it's gone down hill ever since.

dilligaf · 07-03-2009, 04:57 AM

Having grown up in a community where hunting season is a holiday (literally- the schools made opening day a fall holiday), it was not uncommon to see rifles on racks. When I was in school, it was what it was. Obviously you can't do that anymore (school grounds) because of Columbine and others, but you can still see a handgun on a hip in our local banks. You just won't see them in the local bar. Funny how the laws are.

tieguy · 07-03-2009, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeVser

I agree with the guy that said if they want the truck and contents,drop the keys and RUN! No life is worth a bunch of packages.
By the way,why does UPS call your delivery vehicles "package cars?" They look like trucks to me.....

Its all marketing . Our clean cut image and shying away from the trucker image is what gets our drivers into the front doors of businesses. Thus our straight trucks become cars.

dannyboy · 07-03-2009, 02:39 PM

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There`s a hell of a lot less shootings and fatality`s though

With guns being outlawed, there should be no shootings at all. So you make my point. The outlaws have guns while the victim does not.

Here we even the field a bit.

As for less fatalities, per capita I dont think so. You Britts have been very good at improvising.

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pickup · 07-03-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dannyboy

With guns being outlawed, there should be no shootings at all. So you make my point. The outlaws have guns while the victim does not.

Here we even the field a bit.

As for less fatalities, per capita I dont think so. You Britts have been very good at improvising.

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I know this :in Switzerland, most adult males have firearms. Yet their robbery and homicide rate is less than the u.s and england.