Lenexa Feeder Manager Has Rollaway? - Page 3 - Brown Cafe

Feederdrivermack · 04-26-2009, 01:54 AM

DTS grad knows how to recite all the ways to do all the procedures in correct order but otherwise has very little experiance. We have 2 in our district that are dts certified with 2 years with a class A license.I personally would rather have a veteran drive with me on a team than a sup that knows how to memorize the how to book. I know the dts is a very hard course, but lets look at the big picture.
So.........
If I need a trainer to train me I call a dts feeder sup.
If I need a partner to drive on a sleeper team I call the veteran.

Why would you knock a guy with 31 years safe driving and how could you.

Feederdrivermack · 04-26-2009, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by raceanoncr

Anyone hear of this? I ain't from there but heard it through the "pipe", so I won't opine until I hear more about it.

Supposedly, Lenexa was having a feeder manager/supervisor audit, you know, where some OTHER know-it-all comes in and tests them? Word is, he forgot to set tractor brake, rolled into post. More word is, they just called it an "incident". Further word is, Lenexa feeder drivers crashed the 800 Business Conduct line on this one.

Our manager does not even have a class A so I dont know how this would apply to him

bluehdmc · 04-26-2009, 02:09 AM

Isn't there a saying those that can do, those that can't teach?

I'm sure DTS is tough, but so is spending 11 hours behind the wheel, with the occasional bathroom break. I'd prefer to be in the sleeper with someone else driving who's done it before, and might have enough sense to pull over if they were feeling drowsy. Or at least have enough practical experience to recognize a potentially hazardous situation that may not have been covered in the classroom. As I stated in a previous post, I've taken a few motorcycle safety courses, all good, in each one, given by a different instructor there were suggestions (or tips) made that weren't mentioned by another instructor. I'm sure some of these tips were garnered by the instructors as a result of their own practical experience riding.
I've also found some of these tips also apply to driving my car and driving a feeder truck, and these sort of things weren't mentioned in feeder school.

orangputeh · 04-26-2009, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by tieguy

couple of problems with your little fantasy. We do not use the work "illuminator" we say our three ID Lights and two clearance lights are illuminated when demonstrating the pretrip. Another fantasy killer is that there is no corporate auditer this year auditing facilitys due to cost cutting initiatives.

As for your the rest of your fantasy I would dare say there are many of you reeking with all that "experience" that could not pass DTS. In fact my experience has been that most of you that claim to know feeders so much better then us can not even perform a proper pretrip without missing at least two dot required items.

But yet because you have been getting behind the wheel of a tractor longer then we have you now claim some type of driving superiority....

As a 28 year veteran, I have to agree with you. I would like to go to DTS myself for better technical training.

Even with 2 million miles under my belt I always learn ( or relearn ) some good stuff on the ride alongs with our on road supes.

trplnkl · 04-26-2009, 03:49 AM

All the chatter about who is a better driver or trainer is just talk. None of it really has anything to do with the actual topic. The fact of the matter is the supervisor who has been trained at DTS had a roll away. His treatment should be the same as it is for a driver that has a roll away. Why should it be any different.

Hoaxster · 04-26-2009, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by trplnkl

All the chatter about who is a better driver or trainer is just talk. None of it really has anything to do with the actual topic. The fact of the matter is the supervisor who has been trained at DTS had a roll away. His treatment should be the same as it is for a driver that has a roll away. Why should it be any different.

Because the sup is not covered by the Union contract which defines what is to be done and not be done,
The Union also enforces the concept that any single reaction by the company sets precedent for any future reaction ... this is the downside of being a union employee... The Nature of the Beast.

Non-Union employees can be treated in a more appropriate way based on a more holistic evaluation of the situation.

tieguy · 04-26-2009, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Braveheart

Tie must have hit his head. How can anybody think a "driving school" is as qualified or as tough as 31 years of 50 hour work weeks driving a big rig.

For some reason you guys never see your union buddy throw the first punch you only see it when I return fire. Go figure.

tieguy · 04-26-2009, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by pickup

yeah , just imagine if 705red started a thread about how a feeder driver let his tractor roll and hit a post. And then red stated we are going to fight this termination and get his job back, what would tie say to that?

another poster with blinders on. Please post the quote where I defended the management person who had the roll away?

tieguy · 04-26-2009, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Feederdrivermack

DTS grad knows how to recite all the ways to do all the procedures in correct order but otherwise has very little experiance. We have 2 in our district that are dts certified with 2 years with a class A license.I personally would rather have a veteran drive with me on a team than a sup that knows how to memorize the how to book. I know the dts is a very hard course, but lets look at the big picture.
So.........
If I need a trainer to train me I call a dts feeder sup.
If I need a partner to drive on a sleeper team I call the veteran.

Why would you knock a guy with 31 years safe driving and how could you.

I know about 15 to 20 in my area of the world that are DTS certified. About a third are former drivers. The former drivers all had a harder time going through the DTS process because they had developed bad driving habits as former feeder drivers.

You can learn things from the veteran and you can learn things from the DTS trained instructor.

I'll give you an example. Most drivers never check thier necessary documents and permits and could not tell you everything that goes into that packet. thats beneath them cause they have all this skill and thats just some ups mumbo jumbo.

We had a guy that got stopped at a wiegh station and could not find the instructions for the dot inspector to access his hours and could not pull his hours information in Ivis. As a result he will be paying the state of maryland a 280 dollar fine.

Now the question to ask is would that 31 year driver have stressed checking all the paperwork? Probably not. Thats one of about 350 items a DTS trainer is required to learn and demonstrate on his/her pretrip.

As I said before I can do a pretrip audit on any 30 year safe driver and find he misses checking at least two items required by the DOT. The 30 year driver that checks them all is the exception not the rule.

So if you're still paying attention at this point which most readers here do not my point again is that you can learn from both the 30 year guy and the DTS trained instructor.

We have some feeder drivers here . would any of them like to take a stab at listing the dot required items on the tractor?

some1else · 04-26-2009, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by some1else

im honestly confused; a few posts ago you said you had 28 years safe driving; was that prior to going into management?

tie can you clarify this for us. its unclear whether you have 28 years safe driving (as a ups feeder driver) or 28 years "safe driving" commuting in your minivan...

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Originally Posted by diesel96

If you were qualified to work a sleeper team route, would you be able to sleep more comfortably with a 20/30 yr proven safe Feeder driver or a DTS grad ?

whoever farts the least duh

JimJimmyJames · 04-26-2009, 07:39 AM

Blue was stating how motorcycle safety courses help him as a feeder driver. I also think the reverse is true, UPS' training has made me a better motorcycle rider.

I don't think any of us can make an arguement that UPS' training is not anything but great. I have always felt it is the time they give us to follow their methods that was the problem.

Re-Raise · 04-26-2009, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by tieguy

We have some feeder drivers here . would any of them like to take a stab at listing the dot required items on the tractor?

Maybe they should point out the brake first.

bluehdmc · 04-26-2009, 08:42 AM

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350 items a DTS trainer is required to learn and demonstrate on his/her pretrip

But can you check all those 350 items in the 14min, (if I recall) that I'm supposed to be allowed to pre-trip?

Re-Raise · 04-26-2009, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by tieguy

I spent three years in the army a lot of which was spent living in the bush playing war games. the school is much tougher then anything I ever did in the army.

Then you were very lucky. I have friends and family who wish that "playing war games" was the toughest thing they did in the service.

tieguy · 04-26-2009, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Re-Raise

Then you were very lucky. I have friends and family who wish that "playing war games" was the toughest thing they did in the service.

yes i was lucky. But at the same time I did volunteer myself to be there if my country decided they needed me to play those games for real?

Re-Raise · 04-26-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by tieguy

yes i was lucky. But at the same time I did volunteer myself to be there if my country decided they needed me to play those games for real?

You would never compare your simulated war training to actual battle experience would you?

You can't substitute training for real battle experience in the military just as classroom memorization can't compare to 30 years of actual performance of the feeder driver job. You obviously may feel differently based on your comments.

tieguy · 04-26-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Re-Raise

You would never compare your simulated war training to actual battle experience would you?

You can't substitute training for real battle experience in the military just as classroom memorization can't compare to 30 years of actual performance of the feeder driver job. You obviously may feel differently based on your comments.

I can't believe you're taking this conversation down this asinine path.
I served my country for three years. I'm proud of my service to my country. Don't twist it anymore then that in order to score some bull**** point against the management guy.

over9five · 04-26-2009, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Re-Raise

You would never compare your simulated war training to actual battle experience would you?

You can't substitute training for real battle experience in the military just as classroom memorization can't compare to 30 years of actual performance of the feeder driver job. You obviously may feel differently based on your comments.

Are you suggesting he apologize that there was not a war at the time he was in the service?

Re-Raise · 04-26-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by over9five

Are you suggesting he apologize that there was not a war at the time he was in the service?

He made the comment saying his training and "playing war games" was the most difficult thing he ever did in the army.

He made the comment to support his argument that the training of feeder managers was probably more difficult than actually driving feeders. The comment made me cringe. If this wasn't his point I don't know why he said it.

He doesn't owe me an apology , but my father was wounded in battle, and I belive it was an inappropiate comparison to make.

pickup · 04-26-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by tieguy

another poster with blinders on. Please post the quote where I defended the management person who had the roll away?

I can't post it because you didn't defend the management person. However, you chose not to attack the actions of the management person nor , as far as I can tell, you don't attack the action of the other management that chose to classify this "accident" as an "incident". It seems your silence condones these actions where I doubt you would be silent if this were a feeder driver and the union were asking to classify it as an "incident". Still, it is not your job to say anything , so I can't blame you.

Re-Raise · 04-26-2009, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tieguy

I spent three years in the army a lot of which was spent living in the bush playing war games. the school is much tougher then anything I ever did in the army. The issue here is mutual respect. You have decided to jump in and show your blatant bias on one side of the mutual respect issue. You and race should have shut your mouths once you realized you did not know anything about what you speaking about. I have lived dTS I can do races job he cant do mine. simple as that.

Simple as that. Mutual respect?

orangputeh · 04-26-2009, 12:00 PM

I'll be the first to admit that my initial attitude towards on road supes was not good. With over 20 years experience and them with maybe a couple months? Come on!

But here's the thing. I may have 28 years experience but everything I learned was from experience , a lot the hard way. Not from TRAINING.

I did not receive any training or safe work methods in the 15 years of my driving before UPS.

In the last several years I have learned more about safe driving than in the previous 20. A big improvement in my driving has come from a very conscious effort to study and implement the 5 seeing habits.

My driving improved greatly when my attitude improved. I actually look forward to the Ride alongs. I get complacent and sloppy maybe as the year goes along and maybe take a couple shortcuts and hence become less safe.

And the supes are always teaching new methods that may come in handy. I like and respect their technical knowledge but I do agree with several posters that if I was on a sleeper team I'd rather have a 25 year vet as a partner.

UpstateNYUPSer · 04-26-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Re-Raise

Then you were very lucky. I have friends and family who wish that "playing war games" was the toughest thing they did in the service.

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Originally Posted by tieguy

yes i was lucky. But at the same time I did volunteer myself to be there if my country decided they needed me to play those games for real?

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Originally Posted by Re-Raise

You would never compare your simulated war training to actual battle experience would you?

You can't substitute training for real battle experience in the military just as classroom memorization can't compare to 30 years of actual performance of the feeder driver job. You obviously may feel differently based on your comments.

Re-raise, I assume from your posts that you never served in the military. I was 8 years Air Force and I will admit that I was never even close to being involved in a combat situation; the nearest experience I can relate to is when I was tasked to perform perimeter security around a C-141 crash in Sicily. I thank Tie for his service and question why you or anyone else would question someone who took the initiative to raise his hand and take an oath to defend his country. I don't care what opinion you hold of the man based upon his job or what he has posted here but please do not question his level of dedication during his time in the Army unless you yourself have served.

Re-Raise · 04-26-2009, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

Re-raise, I assume from your posts that you never served in the military. I was 8 years Air Force and I will admit that I was never even close to being involved in a combat situation; the nearest experience I can relate to is when I was tasked to perform perimeter security around a C-141 crash in Sicily. I thank Tie for his service and question why you or anyone else would question someone who took the initiative to raise his hand and take an oath to defend his country. I don't care what opinion you hold of the man based upon his job or what he has posted here but please do not question his level of dedication during his time in the Army unless you yourself have served.

I don't have an opinion of the man. He was making a point about how "training" is so difficult and that some feeder manager training makes him better able to do a feeder driver's job than 30 years of experience.

I said in my first post that I have friends and family who don't feel their training was the toughest thing they did in the service. I feel many drivers would not say their training was the toughest part of their job.

I was not in the service. I am not a feeder driver. I don't make claims to be able to do other people's jobs better than they can.

Hoaxster · 04-26-2009, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Re-Raise

I don't have an opinion of the man. He was making a point about how "training" is so difficult and that some feeder manager training makes him better able to do a feeder driver's job than 30 years of experience.

I said in my first post that I have friends and family who don't feel their training was the toughest thing they did in the service. I feel many drivers would not say their training was the toughest part of their job.

I was not in the service. I am not a feeder driver. I don't make claims to be able to do other people's jobs better than they can.

No opinion and no claims ... you and leastbest would not get along.