how do you feel about random drug tests? - Page 5 - Brown Cafe

Hoaxster · 05-13-2009, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dirty moose

If UPS tested randomly, i would say; 90% would be found to have some drug parafinilla in them.

In which orifice would UPS be looking for this drug parafinlla?

moreluck · 05-14-2009, 04:46 AM

bong up the butt !!

SoyFish · 05-18-2009, 01:49 PM

To answer the question...If you don't have anything to hide then random tests shouldn't bother you.

over9five · 05-18-2009, 02:56 PM

Would it then be ok for the police to stop you in the middle of the street and search you?

I mean, as long as you had nothing to hide this would be ok?

sealbasher · 05-18-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by City Driver

carried over from the tattoos thread so it wont get off topic

do you feel companies shouldnt be able to drug test there employees at random and as new hires?

personally i dont see the problem with it at all...i believe they have the right to know that you dont do drugs

i dare them to test me lol

soberups · 05-18-2009, 09:48 PM

I am facing a dillemna of sorts at work regarding drugs. There are some preloaders who go out to the parking lot and sit in their car and smoke dope after their shift is over. I have seen and smelled them doing it several times on my way into work.

One the one hand, what they do on their own time is none of my business and it isnt my responsibility to worry about "security" in UPS's parking lot. I am not a cop and I am not in management.

On the other hand, they are sitting in a car getting baked and then driving home. If they get in a wreck and hurt or kill someone, I will probably regret not saying something.

I think one of these days I am going to work up the nerve to confront them about it and tell them to go home instead of doing it in the car and driving afterward. I'm not big on confrontations, but its getting a bit ridiculous when a guy is walking into work and the parking lot smells like a Grateful Dead concert.

Sleeve_meet_Heart · 05-19-2009, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by soberups

I am facing a dillemna of sorts at work regarding drugs. There are some preloaders who go out to the parking lot and sit in their car and smoke dope after their shift is over. I have seen and smelled them doing it several times on my way into work.

One the one hand, what they do on their own time is none of my business and it isnt my responsibility to worry about "security" in UPS's parking lot. I am not a cop and I am not in management.

On the other hand, they are sitting in a car getting baked and then driving home. If they get in a wreck and hurt or kill someone, I will probably regret not saying something.

I think one of these days I am going to work up the nerve to confront them about it and tell them to go home instead of doing it in the car and driving afterward. I'm not big on confrontations, but its getting a bit ridiculous when a guy is walking into work and the parking lot smells like a Grateful Dead concert.

rat them out to the company paying for the drug habit?

mattwtrs · 05-19-2009, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by soberups

I am facing a dillemna of sorts at work regarding drugs. There are some preloaders who go out to the parking lot and sit in their car and smoke dope after their shift is over. I have seen and smelled them doing it several times on my way into work.

One the one hand, what they do on their own time is none of my business and it isnt my responsibility to worry about "security" in UPS's parking lot. I am not a cop and I am not in management.

On the other hand, they are sitting in a car getting baked and then driving home. If they get in a wreck and hurt or kill someone, I will probably regret not saying something.

I think one of these days I am going to work up the nerve to confront them about it and tell them to go home instead of doing it in the car and driving afterward. I'm not big on confrontations, but its getting a bit ridiculous when a guy is walking into work and the parking lot smells like a Grateful Dead concert.

Please tell them that you are concerned and suggest that they don't smoke & drive. If that does not work then go to the police. I'm sure there is a hot line for this in your area.

over9five · 05-19-2009, 06:08 AM

Mind your own business.

dilligaf · 05-19-2009, 06:41 AM

Sober, I think Matt has a good idea. Go to them directly, and tell them about your concerns. I would probably be even more direct and tell them that they are risking losing their jobs (probably don't care anyway or they wouldn't be smoking on property) and they need to take it somewhere else. Tell them if they don't you will report it. JMHO

ups1990 · 05-19-2009, 07:14 AM

I've seen some drivers here also show up to work high as a kite. Higher than Redman on stilt's on top of the Himalayans.

UpstateNYUPSer · 05-19-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ups1990

I've seen some drivers here also show up to work high as a kite. Higher than Redman on stilt's on top of the Himalayans.

1990, just curious, how would you feel if one of the drivers who you knew was high ran over and killed some little kid? Do the right thing.

SoyFish · 05-19-2009, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by over9five

Would it then be ok for the police to stop you in the middle of the street and search you?

I mean, as long as you had nothing to hide this would be ok?

It be ok, but really annoying.

Sleeve_meet_Heart · 05-19-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by over9five

Mind your own business.

There is a driver, right around 6-7pm, that is smoking some strong pot in the top closest lot by the guardshack. Sometimes I walk past there and it's like a run over skunk.

When you do that, especially with complete disregard for other people and the company you work for, you are making it other peoples business. That is the only problem I have.

over9five · 05-19-2009, 02:45 PM

Every person who walks out of a bar and drives home is driving impaired. I feel drunks are far more dangerous on the road driving 100 mph, than a pot smoker driving 25 mph.
Soberups would spend his time more wisely going into the bar down the street and trying to convince the patrons there to give up their keys.

trplnkl · 05-19-2009, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by over9five

Every person who walks out of a bar and drives home is driving impaired. I feel drunks are far more dangerous on the road driving 100 mph, than a pot smoker driving 25 mph.
Soberups would spend his time more wisely going into the bar down the street and trying to convince the patrons there to give up their keys.

I agree...but I have NEVER driven drunk at 100MPH...that's just crazy.

Jones · 05-19-2009, 03:19 PM

They don't even keep statistics on stoned driving, and every study that I've ever seen referenced has concluded that it's nowhere near as bad as drunk driving, or even driving while overly tired. One consensus of the researchers is that the biggest difference between stoned drivers and drunk drivers is that the stoned drivers are very aware that they are impaired and take steps to compensate for it. That's why the stoned driver is generally in the far right lane doing 5-10 mph below the speed limit.

dilligaf · 05-19-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jones

They don't even keep statistics on stoned driving, and every study that I've ever seen referenced has concluded that it's nowhere near as bad as drunk driving, or even driving while overly tired. One consensus of the researchers is that the biggest difference between stoned drivers and drunk drivers is that the stoned drivers are very aware that they are impaired and take steps to compensate for it. That's why the stoned driver is generally in the far right lane doing 5-10 mph below the speed limit.

Cruise controls, that's the way to go. Of course I'm just theorizing here!

Dizzee · 05-20-2009, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dilligaf

Cruise controls, that's the way to go. Of course I'm just theorizing here!

"Honest Occifer, nobody was drivin, we was all in the back seat , singin".

dilligaf · 05-20-2009, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Dizzee

"Honest Occifer, nobody was drivin, we was all in the back seat , singin".

Row, row, row your boat..................................

Livin the Dream? · 05-20-2009, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mattwtrs

Please tell them that you are concerned and suggest that they don't smoke & drive. If that does not work then go to the police. I'm sure there is a hot line for this in your area.

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Originally Posted by dilligaf

Sober, I think Matt has a good idea. Go to them directly, and tell them about your concerns. I would probably be even more direct and tell them that they are risking losing their jobs (probably don't care anyway or they wouldn't be smoking on property) and they need to take it somewhere else. Tell them if they don't you will report it. JMHO

Talking to the stoners in the car is just such a bad idea, I don't know where to start. It won't work, for one, and makes you a target as well.

Go to management in the morning; tell them you are concerned that your car is gonna get dinged by one of the pots smokers in the parking lot when they drive off stoned. Do it with a Union Rep present. Ask them if they would like you to call the cops or should they? Then go to work. Problem will be gone tomorrow. You have a right to a safe work environment - that includes the parking lot.

trickpony1 · 05-20-2009, 05:57 PM

LTD-
I thought a good union brother didn't rat out another brother.
Perhaps if the smokers were talked to by a union steward (correct spelling) or a BA it would have a more positive effect and might eliminate someone acquiring a criminal record.

What'dyabringmetoday??? · 05-20-2009, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by trickpony1

LTD-
I thought a good union brother didn't rat out another brother.
Perhaps if the smokers were talked to by a union steward (correct spelling) or a BA it would have a more positive effect and might eliminate someone acquiring a criminal record.

I would think that if someone is stupid enough to light up right in the parking lot, they probably do not care if they get a record. Probably have one.

stevetheupsguy · 05-20-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by trickpony1

LTD-
I thought a good union brother didn't rat out another brother.
Perhaps if the smokers were talked to by a union steward (correct spelling) or a BA it would have a more positive effect and might eliminate someone acquiring a criminal record.

And if this fails...........1-800-___-____

Livin the Dream? · 05-20-2009, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by trickpony1

LTD-
I thought a good union brother didn't rat out another brother.
Perhaps if the smokers were talked to by a union steward (correct spelling) or a BA it would have a more positive effect and might eliminate someone acquiring a criminal record.

I was responding to those saying they wanted to go talk to the stoners. If any action is to be taken, that would be the wrong one, and I gave my opinion on action to be taken.

Me? I would take no action at all - just not my business & frankly wouldn't care.

As an aside, and for future reference - I'm not clear on the brother-ratting issue. What level of criminal activity do we allow, and at what point do we do something about it?