how do you feel about random drug tests? - Brown Cafe

City Driver · 05-04-2009, 06:43 PM

carried over from the tattoos thread so it wont get off topic

do you feel companies shouldnt be able to drug test there employees at random and as new hires?

personally i dont see the problem with it at all...i believe they have the right to know that you dont do drugs

Livin the Dream? · 05-04-2009, 06:47 PM

I think it is fair, legal the way UPS has it set up -

You are hired knowing that drug tests are possible.

Drug tests are only done with probable cause. (swinging from the rafters of your center, naked, screaming about killer cardboard)

I DO agree with pre-employment screening if 100% of the applicants are tested. I DO NOT agree with random drug tests for no reason, and would go to the mat / get fired over it. (I'd have a short, paid vacation)

And no, I don't - it has been a few decades since it would have been a concern.

stevetheupsguy · 05-04-2009, 06:52 PM

Never been tested in my 13 years, and I'm not biting my nails about it.

MonavieLeaker · 05-04-2009, 07:01 PM

Dont care.......I dont smoke pot

UPSNewbie · 05-04-2009, 07:19 PM

Should be able to. Any company. I know a lot of positions that would open up if so.

Not job related, but in high school, I was randomly tested about seven times.

Hangingon · 05-04-2009, 07:23 PM

Should be across the board. There's a few supes I've wondered about...

scratch · 05-04-2009, 07:26 PM

Random drug tests sound like fun. Would they be multiple choice and how would one study for it?

some1else · 05-04-2009, 07:33 PM

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The Employer will treat employees with dignity and respect at all
times

i think its a stretch to call forcing me to piss in a cup treating me with dignity. and assuming your employees are smackheads is not respectful.

MonavieLeaker · 05-04-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by some1else

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The Employer will treat employees with dignity and respect at all
times

i think its a stretch to call forcing me to piss in a cup treating me with dignity. and assuming your employees are smackheads is not respectful.

Would you want a PC driver/feeder/shifter driving those vehicles under the influence of drugs or alcohol?

Hoaxster · 05-04-2009, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by some1else

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The Employer will treat employees with dignity and respect at all
times

i think its a stretch to call forcing me to piss in a cup treating me with dignity. and assuming your employees are smackheads is not respectful.

Complying with Federal Government regulations.

some1else · 05-04-2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoaxster

Complying with Federal Government regulations.

should probably change that language then so they are not violating my contract in doing so.

why not add we will treat you with respect unless we feel like watching you piss

or something along those lines lol. i know its allowed; legally and contractually my point was that they are treating us like some junkie hooker on probation and i personally find it disrespectful.

Hoaxster · 05-04-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by some1else

should probably change that language then so they are not violating my contract in doing so.

why not add we will treat you with respect unless we feel like watching you piss

or something along those lines lol. i know its allowed; legally and contractually my point was that they are treating us like some junkie hooker on probation and i personally find it disrespectful.

Understand ... I would not like it either ... it's just part of the process.
I just sigh, shrug my shoulders and piss.

Livin the Dream? · 05-04-2009, 07:45 PM

I will test whatever drugs they want, as long as they are fun and UPS pays for them.

MonavieLeaker · 05-04-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by some1else

should probably change that language then so they are not violating my contract in doing so.

why not add we will treat you with respect unless we feel like watching you piss

or something along those lines lol. i know its allowed; legally and contractually my point was that they are treating us like some junkie hooker on probation and i personally find it disrespectful.

If youre not a pothead then why worry?

PassYouBy · 05-04-2009, 08:14 PM

If I was a employer of thousands of people driving vehicles, I would want them tested!

I'll take a test everyday if that's what it takes....I have nothing to fear anyways...I believe that ALL of us should take them.

MonavieLeaker · 05-04-2009, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by PassYouBy

If I was a employer of thousands of people driving vehicles, I would want them tested!

I'll take a test everyday if that's what it takes....I have nothing to fear anyways...I believe that ALL of us should take them.

+1

Livin the Dream? · 05-04-2009, 08:31 PM

Correct me if I speak out of turn here, but...

I do not believe the drug testing is upsetting to anyone because they might test positive. It is upsetting due to the erosion of civil liberties that the random testing represents.

I never hide heroin in the trunk of my car, either, but I'm not going to let someone search my car for no reason.

soberups · 05-04-2009, 09:43 PM

Judge me by the quality of my work, not the quality of my urine.

fredly00 · 05-04-2009, 10:09 PM

Livin the dream, I'd give a gallon to them, its not a violation of any civil liberty
I was hired on with the knowledge that testing occurs, and I was hired on with the
expectation of being drug free..

So by being hired you are volunteering to this practice.

Baba gounj · 05-04-2009, 10:11 PM

If UPS pays me I'll do any tests that they want.
Sitting around & pissing into a cup sounds better than humping packages anytime.

dilligaf · 05-04-2009, 10:40 PM

Been involved in the trucking industry for about 16/17 years. Federal regulations require random testing. The way I look at it is, if you can't pass a piss test then don't get into truck driving. It's that simple.

trplnkl · 05-04-2009, 10:44 PM

The one and only problem I have with random drug testing is there is no guarantee that it is/will be truly random.

dilligaf · 05-04-2009, 10:46 PM

You may be right Trp. All we have to go by is what they say. Pkg doesn't have randoms but feeders have to because they are specifically regulated under DOT/ICC.

City Driver · 05-04-2009, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Livin the Dream?

Correct me if I speak out of turn here, but...

I do not believe the drug testing is upsetting to anyone because they might test positive. It is upsetting due to the erosion of civil liberties that the random testing represents.

I never hide heroin in the trunk of my car, either, but I'm not going to let someone search my car for no reason.

you might have personal things in the trunk of your car....what personal belongings are in your piss that you care that much about?

i think the whole invasion of privacy argument is stupid...it would be different if they made you piss in front of your center manager in his office and he had to hold your dick to make sure it was real

you piss in a cup in a private room and they check and see if you have done any illegal drugs lately

ups and any other company has the right to know that there employees are drug free so you wont show up high some day and do thousands of dollars of damage while on drugs

dilligaf · 05-04-2009, 10:50 PM

To clarify my last statement further, what pkg has are sups/oc's/mgr that use reasonable cause. That is by no means random. If fact I feel safe in saying that that can be highly prejudicial.