what would you do

[feeder53]

If it were me, the first time I would take him aside and councel him on the remarks, and explain that the next time it will be a written complaint and if that fails I would ask for his removal. It is my workplace too.

[UpstateNYUPSer]

Feeder, why did you make us wade through 126 posts before you decided to post what is by far the best approach to this situation? I enjoy your common sense and posts based upon your years of military and trucking experience. Dave.

[helenofcalifornia]

How much counseling does a guy with a Confederate cap going to need?

[Hoaxster]

Originally Posted by helenofcalifornia

How much counseling does a guy with a Confederate cap going to need?

Maybe the same need as for a toothbrush?

[iowa boy]

Originally Posted by Hoaxster

Maybe the same need as for a toothbrush?

But if hes a true old school good-ole boy, he may not have enough teeth to need a toothbrush.

[pickup]

Originally Posted by Hoaxster

Maybe the same need as for a toothbrush?

demerit for playing on southern stereotypes.

[pickup]

Originally Posted by iowa boy

But if hes a true old school good-ole boy, he may not have enough teeth to need a toothbrush.

double demerit on playing on southern stereotypes and for not realizing that your post was pretty much what hoaxster was implying

[pickup]

I think I got the hang of this now, make me a moderator so I can police these out of control hooligans on browncafe.

[dannyboy]

Trpl

and that is why I would want someone like you to have my back, because you would act if you were confronted, and not take a poll on what would be the right thing to do.

As for your cousin, while others might not think so, he would be a real hero in my book.

As far as the examples go, wrong is wrong, right is right. REgardless of your personal values, somethings dont change. (of course the way things are changing these days......)

All you are aruguing is degrees of differences, the principle is still the same. All those people drove by, and no one stopped, no one called 911, no one got involved until her husband got home several hours later and found her broken glasses and flippers, and some blood spatter on the driveway.

a death penalty being threatened for anybody who didn't kill someone, not even in texas when bush was gov

Pickup, I have yet to see the actual court documents, but that was what the husband relayed to me.

His wife is now an activist in making the court systems pass sentences that actually mean something. Once I get the actual documents to read, will let you know the particulars as to why.

d

[trplnkl]

Originally Posted by dannyboy

Trpl

and that is why I would want someone like you to have my back, because you would act if you were confronted, and not take a poll on what would be the right thing to do.

As for your cousin, while others might not think so, he would be a real hero in my book.

As far as the examples go, wrong is wrong, right is right. REgardless of your personal values, somethings dont change. (of course the way things are changing these days......)

All you are aruguing is degrees of differences, the principle is still the same. All those people drove by, and no one stopped, no one called 911, no one got involved until her husband got home several hours later and found her broken glasses and flippers, and some blood spatter on the driveway.

I agree that right is right and wrong is wrong and those are values that don't change. However the reactions and penalties do change because of the degree of differences in the two crimes. Actually I don't think being a bigot is an actual crime in it's self. However, causing harm to another person because you are a bigot is. There is a large gap between physically hurting someone and bruising their feelings.

I don't understand people that won't at very least pick up their cell phone and call 911 when they see someone else being physically attacked. I can kind of see why (with the way things are today) why they may not try to intervene directly. Two people could well lose their lives.
I also wonder how many of the passing motorist actually saw anything going on, not everyone is trained to "Get the Big Picture"...No I am not making a joke.

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Pickup, I have yet to see the actual court documents, but that was what the husband relayed to me.

His wife is now an activist in making the court systems pass sentences that actually mean something. Once I get the actual documents to read, will let you know the particulars as to why.

We have way too many judges in this country that will not give the maximum sentences to people like this scumbag. I am, BTW, in favor of the death penalty.

d

[trplnkl]

Originally Posted by pickup

double demerit on playing on southern stereotypes and for not realizing that your post was pretty much what hoaxster was implying

Three demerits for both of y'all for assuming everyone that owns a cap with the Stars & Bars is a toothless racist. Geeez that's almost as bad as what the Bubba said to City's friend.

[stevetheupsguy]

Originally Posted by bellesotico

Ok..who are you saying is a racist?? LOL..
I can tell you are pretty heated and I apologize if my remarks have come off as judgemental or as a personal attack. I don't know you and I am in no position to tell you anything.
I don't think you being silent is racist. I questioned your silence. I did go back and "read the topic" and like you said, you never asked the question from your perspective..so again I apologize.

Speaking personally I have dealt with racism at UPS and to date I have not reported it. Frankly I don't give a XXXX what anyone thinks of me and if I waged war on everyone who told black jokes in front of me..I would be worn out from fighting. BUT if I witnessed racially derogatory comments directed at a co-worker..black, white, asian, hispanic..you better believe I would say something to the person throwing out the insults. Not everyone has thick skin like me, and whether I choose to deal with it or not is ME..other people may not be that strong. In my opinion speaking up is an honorable thing to do. If that person wants to take it to another level..well that is on them.

You did you. Why you posted a scenario such as this when you clearly had no interest made me question your motive. I guess I didn't understand your point. But you stated your position..and while I don't agree, I can respect your viewpoint.

~Belle

How about, other people may not feel that strongly or as strongly as you feel about the situation? You are right, that, is your opinion. Not really saying that much here. Just trying to point out that this is your opinion, which we are all entitled to have and to disagree with if we so choose.

Originally Posted by pickup

I've never heard of , at least in the united states, a death penalty being threatened for anybody who didn't kill someone, not even in texas when bush was gov.. Really?

Me either. What state did this take place in, so we can research their laws.

Originally Posted by pickup

Really the main issue was other than race. The story could have easily been the same three guys in the bathroom. and as one(#1) is washing up, the other one(#2) attempts to steal the wallet protruding from the back pocket of the guy washing up. He gets caught in the act and guy #1 grabs back his wallet and says 'that is wrong, that is stealing, I have a witness (guy #3)and if you do it again, I will report you"

Guy #3 comes onto browncafe and starts a thread asking "what would you do? , Should I have reported this? not from my standpoint , I mean if you were guy #1 , would you report it.

by the way before somebody says it, i dont think I should report it......its not my business but if the guy #1 was to report it and they did ask me if i heard what he said i would tell them exactly what the guy said

to me, the whole "dont snitch on your union brothers" thing goes out the window when they disrespect the hell out of 1 or more of their union brothers"


There I pretty much took the same situation and matter of concern of citydriver and slightly changed it to reflect the original posting.

Even if the question was ignored and we started focusing on the act of larceny, nobody would have been offended here and we wouldn't have this thread living past its expiration date which should have been about 10 posts , maximum

Now we're being limited on what we can say and how many posts make a thread?

Originally Posted by helenofcalifornia

How much counseling does a guy with a Confederate cap going to need?

The same amount as someone from CALIFORNIA!

Originally Posted by dannyboy

Trpl

he would be a real hero in my book.


d

Yeah, a real dead hero! (no offense, 555) Like I said, not everyone is you. You can't go haywire every time someone is attacked, abused or hurt. You'll drive yourself crazy if you try to police the world. You are not God. There are people in this world that need to fend for themselves. How about saying a prayer for the people around you, in advance. Maybe things like this will be prevented. It's better than flying off the handle at every occurrence of "evil". This too is just my humble opinion.

[pickup]

stugmeister said " Now we're being limited on what we can say and how many posts make a thread?"

Now, Now, I did not say anything about being limited on what we can say. But that happens to be true. I'll just type in the word **** and the word **** and we will see the final result. If I say something really nasty and repugnant it will be bumped by the moderators. So yeah there are limits ,some are self imposed and some are imposed by others.

As for how many posts? My point was if the racial transgression of the story were replaced by another transgression that was not a hot button issue, this thread would have died by natural causes or lack of interest a long time ago.

[pickup]

STUGly stated : Yeah, a real dead hero! (no offense, 555) Like I said, not everyone is you. You can't go haywire every time someone is attacked, abused or hurt. You'll drive yourself crazy if you try to police the world. You are not God. There are people in this world that need to fend for themselves. How about saying a prayer for the people around you, in advance. Maybe things like this will be prevented. It's better than flying off the handle at every occurrence of "evil". This too is just my humble opinion.
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help, steven, there is a pickpocket on the L train, do something. (I refering to a story that steven once relayed where he risked his life to thwart some pickpockets. Almost trading life and limb in exchange for someone else keeping their property

[Jones]

Originally Posted by iowa boy

But if hes a true old school good-ole boy, he may not have enough teeth to need a toothbrush.

Did you know the toothbrush was invented in W. Virginia?
If it had been invented anywhere else they would have called it a teethbrush....ba-da-bump...

[UpstateNYUPSer]

Originally Posted by Jones

Did you know the toothbrush was invented in W. Virginia?
If it had been invented anywhere else they would have called it a teethbrush....ba-da-bump...

That joke is regional--we tell it up here about a town called Altona.

[pickup]

Oh god stop me I can't help it this is reallly a good one.

Why is there no CSI West Virginia?

No dental records and dna samples don't help one bit

Oh , god, I am going to hit the "submit reply " button now

[dannyboy]

Actually I don't think being a bigot is an actual crime in it's self. However, causing harm to another person because you are a bigot is. There is a large gap between physically hurting someone and bruising their feelings.

Being a bigot is not a crime, but it is morally wrong. Acting on that bigotry is a crime. So while one may be a crime, and the other not, both are wrong values.

And I would submit the following. It would be very hard for you to be a racist without being a bigot first.

Anyway, all that aside, with "hate crimes" being expanded to what they are, it will be a federal crime to look at someone wrong before too long.

Crazy world.

And I guess my background is somewhat different than most, having family that survived the black hole in history called WW2.

d

[toonertoo]

Originally Posted by pickup

Oh god stop me I can't help it this is reallly a good one.

Why is there no CSI West Virginia?

No dental records and dna samples don't help one bit

Oh , god, I am going to hit the "submit reply " button now

You have 30 minutes to delete your own postings................................., nah I never do either

[stevetheupsguy]

Originally Posted by pickup

STUGly stated : Yeah, a real dead hero! (no offense, 555) Like I said, not everyone is you. You can't go haywire every time someone is attacked, abused or hurt. You'll drive yourself crazy if you try to police the world. You are not God. There are people in this world that need to fend for themselves. How about saying a prayer for the people around you, in advance. Maybe things like this will be prevented. It's better than flying off the handle at every occurrence of "evil". This too is just my humble opinion.
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help, steven, there is a pickpocket on the L train, do something. (I refering to a story that steven once relayed where he risked his life to thwart some pickpockets. Almost trading life and limb in exchange for someone else keeping their property

That was actually the number 4 train and I was all of 22 at the time. I have learned, after many experiences and by the grace of God, that I am not the police, nor am I the Savior of the world. Though given the same circumstance, I may react in similar fashion, though I do have different insight today due to the fact that I'M GROWN UP.

What I meant in my post was........the things we are not in control of. In Danny's story about the abducted woman, it sounded like he was angry that no one stopped/called the police as well as not being able to be there to save her, himself. Face it, things are going to happen. They will happen in front of us and nowheres near us. Sometimes we will respond and sometimes we won't. We are human. We make mistakes. Sometimes we take chances and sometimes we don't. Sometimes we call someone on their foolish words/jokes, sometimes we don't.

I learned a long time ago that I am not in control of everything that happens in this world. It didn't come easy, but I did finally learn the lesson. I'll use my family as an example. I won't be there to rescue my children from all the scrapes/mistakes and foolish things they will do. When I can be there and assist, I will, but being human, limits my life saving potential.

Again, I don't expect everyone that reads this post to feel the same as I do. We are all human but are not all of the same mind. Feel free to be who you are and think what you want. Again, JMHO, as always.

[Braveheart]

If the black driver reports it then you need to back him 100%.

On the other hand if he does not then he is a forgiving soul that does not want to cost someone there job for their ignorant mouth then let it go.

We all say stupid things to or in front of people from time to time. I would make the loser apologize personally. Then tell him his mouth almost cost him his job and to keep it shut from now on.

I would back the black fellow with whatever he wanted me to do. All men are created equal period.

[dilligaf]

Originally Posted by dannyboy

Dil

Im sorry, I must have been posting while you posted, so I did not see your post until just now.

The nuff said was concerning this thread and the contents. There was nothing you said or anyone else, that "pissed me off".

But what was very interesting was upstates

That one requires some thoughtful mulling before/if I respond. But in the meantime, within the next few days, I will have the privilege to get into some court records and profile of a person with a different value system than mine.

It would seem that one of my customers was out mowing her lawn right next to a busy 4 lane. She noticed a person had pulled into her driveway.

She went to see if she could help, and he asked her for directions. She turned and pointed north, and when she turned back, he had a gun. He tried to talk her into going into the house, and when she refused, he pistol whipped her, knocking her glasses and shoes off. (remember, this is on the front lawn maybe 40 feet from the busy 4 lane, with nothing but open lawn) No one stopped to help, no one called the police.

Anyway, he ended up with her in the garage where he noticed her car, made her get in and drove to a secluded road and stopped. He then said " I guess you know whats next".

To make the rest a short story, she managed to get away and get to help. This guy with a value system different from mine and yours had done the same thing twice before, been caught, sentenced to 30 years to life both times, but yet was released both times after only serving a small portion of his time.

This time, because of the violent crimes, and the multiple times, they went after the death sentence, but let him plead to life without parole.

While I realize that everyone is entitled to their own belief system or values, where do you draw the line. I guess I need to reflect before I answer that one without seeming to lecture upstate.

And I guess the biggest correlation to this thread is that several people went by, maybe 100 or more, while the assault was going on, and yet no one did a damn thing. Maybe they felt the same way as city? Its not happening to me, so lemme run in after the fact and ask what I should have done.

Im sorry, its cut and dried. Yeah, there are times when a bystander that gets involved pays a hard price, but sometimes you just have to look past your own personal well being and do whats right. Without having to take a poll to do it.

d

Danny, you are right in that you have to draw a line somewhere. And sometimes you do have to look past your own personal well being to do what is right. I guess, ultimately, where to draw the line has to be each individuals choice.

[iowa boy]

Originally Posted by pickup

double demerit on playing on southern stereotypes and for not realizing that your post was pretty much what hoaxster was implying

yea yea yea, some of us are a little slow in the middle of the country, but we have all our teeth.

[iowa boy]

Originally Posted by pickup

Oh god stop me I can't help it this is reallly a good one.

Why is there no CSI West Virginia?

No dental records and dna samples don't help one bit

Oh , god, I am going to hit the "submit reply " button now

This to me seems like a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.

A demerit to you.

[dilligaf]

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(n.)One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

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I had to do it. Thank Danny. It's all his fault. LOL Until he posted [QUOTE]And I would submit the following. It would be very hard for you to be a racist without being a bigot first.[QUOTE/]
I hadn't really thought about it. I had to go look it up to see if there was really any difference.

Pickup [QUOTE]As for how many posts? My point was if the racial transgression of the story were replaced by another transgression that was not a hot button issue, this thread would have died by natural causes or lack of interest a long time ago.[QUOTE/]

It doesn't matter. We aren't talking about another transgression. We are talking about this one. There are 100's of threads in BC that have died a natural death and I'm guessing this one will as well, sooner or later.

Steve [QUOTE]Yeah, a real dead hero! (no offense, 555) Like I said, not everyone is you. You can't go haywire every time someone is attacked, abused or hurt. You'll drive yourself crazy if you try to police the world. You are not God. There are people in this world that need to fend for themselves. How about saying a prayer for the people around you, in advance. Maybe things like this will be prevented. It's better than flying off the handle at every occurrence of "evil". This too is just my humble opinion.[QUOTE/]

That was more than just a little callous. IMO I understand what you were getting at but I don't think you needed to include the first part of that statement.

Trp [QUOTE]I agree that right is right and wrong is wrong and those are values that don't change. However the reactions and penalties do change because of the degree of differences in the two crimes. Actually I don't think being a bigot is an actual crime in it's self. However, causing harm to another person because you are a bigot is. There is a large gap between physically hurting someone and bruising their feelings.

I don't understand people that won't at very least pick up their cell phone and call 911 when they see someone else being physically attacked. I can kind of see why (with the way things are today) why they may not try to intervene directly. Two people could well lose their lives.
I also wonder how many of the passing motorist actually saw anything going on, not everyone is trained to "Get the Big Picture"...No I am not making a joke.

We have way too many judges in this country that will not give the maximum sentences to people like this scumbag. I am, BTW, in favor of the death penalty.[QUOTE/]

There may not be as large a gap as you think. Let's see, what would be a good example. Take, someone like my ex husband, who was a pro at verbal abuse. Someone who has to deal with this day in and day out suffers just as much as being physically abused. Maybe even more so. I know this is not exactly the same as racism, but it is a good point. It leaves emotional scars that really never go away. I know. (just a thought)

I agree on the calling of 911. To many people do not want to get invovled. BTW, I am all for the death penalty as well.