what would you do

[trplnkl]

[quote=dilligaf;549271]bigot - Definition
[bĭǵət]


(n.)One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

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Racism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Source
Racism, by its simplest definition, is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.
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I had to do it. Thank Danny. It's all his fault. LOL Until he posted [QUOTE]And I would submit the following. It would be very hard for you to be a racist without being a bigot first.[QUOTE/]
I hadn't really thought about it. I had to go look it up to see if there was really any difference.
Thank you, I was thinking of doing the same thing, you saved me some time.

<snip>

Steve

Yeah, a real dead hero! (no offense, 555) Like I said, not everyone is you. You can't go haywire every time someone is attacked, abused or hurt. You'll drive yourself crazy if you try to police the world. You are not God. There are people in this world that need to fend for themselves. How about saying a prayer for the people around you, in advance. Maybe things like this will be prevented. It's better than flying off the handle at every occurrence of "evil". This too is just my humble opinion.[QUOTE/]

That was more than just a little callous. IMO I understand what you were getting at but I don't think you needed to include the first part of that statement.
Don't worry, he didn't offend me, in fact I almost posted the same words in my post. I have always thought he acted heroically, but he is now dead. His Mother mourned his death until the day she passed.
<snip>

There may not be as large a gap as you think. Let's see, what would be a good example. Take, someone like my ex husband, who was a pro at verbal abuse. Someone who has to deal with this day in and day out suffers just as much as being physically abused. Maybe even more so. I know this is not exactly the same as racism, but it is a good point. It leaves emotional scars that really never go away. I know. (just a thought)

I agree 100% with what you said about mental abuse, I have seen it take it's toll on too many people and it is not a pretty thing. However, in the situation of this thread I don't think mental abuse is applicable. The man that was insulted handled the situation pretty well all on his own IMO. There was no need for the Calvary to come riding in with guns blazing. Simply being told that his back was covered was enough.

I agree on the calling of 911. To many people do not want to get invovled. BTW, I am all for the death penalty as well.

[trplnkl]

Originally Posted by dannyboy

Being a bigot is not a crime, but it is morally wrong. Acting on that bigotry is a crime. So while one may be a crime, and the other not, both are wrong values.

And I would submit the following. It would be very hard for you to be a racist without being a bigot first.
I agree, I personally feel that racism is a moral inefficiency that some people are indeed afflicted with. It can manifest it's self anywhere and come from any direction. White, snaggle toothed, confederate flag waving redneck Bubbas don't have a monopoly on racism. I believe it to be wrong.
But Danny, everyone has their own values that determine their morals, we don't all have the same compass guiding us. I think your's and mine are pretty much the same basically, with just minor differences in cause and effect.

Anyway, all that aside, with "hate crimes" being expanded to what they are, it will be a federal crime to look at someone wrong before too long.

Crazy world.
I have a problem with "hate crime" laws as such, IMO that keeps the racism alive and pertinent in our daily lives when we should be doing everything we can to keep racism out of the equation. We already have laws against murder, why do we need to have another one covering the very same act? It makes no sense.

And I guess my background is somewhat different than most, having family that survived the black hole in history called WW2.
I'm not sure what you mean about the "black hole" in history?

d

It is a crazy world and getting worse by the day it seems.

[dilligaf]

Trp, I know it technically does not apply to this particular situation. It was just a side thought. Verbal abuse, be it racism or not, is wrong. And isn't verbal abuse between a man and woman just another form of racism? Again, just my thoughts. (isn't it just a minor difference in cause and effect?)

It sounds like we, you me danny and you to Steven (just to name a few) have a very strong moral compass guiding us. That is a good thing.

[dannyboy]

it sounded like he was angry that ...... not being able to be there to save her, himself

Thankyou Dr Stug, for the professional phyc evaluation.

If that is what you got from my post, then either I need to post it again, or you misread.

I am in no way saying that city should have

1. become physically active against the stupid driver
2. Gone running to management with the issue

What I would suggest is that city could have

Hey man, what is wrong with you. That comment is very racist, and that type of behavior is not tolerated here. Not only that, that type of statement is against the law.

I would have then asked for the guys name, company, and for a very quick and sincere apology. Depending on the response, I would either turn it over to my fellow employee for resolution, or if he refused to apologize, I would then take it to management for them to deal with.

At that point he is either a stupid person that let his mouth outrun his brain and we end up with an apology, or someone that has some really deep issues that we dont want in our buildings or system to begin with.

d

[trplnkl]

Originally Posted by dilligaf

Trp, I know it technically does not apply to this particular situation. It was just a side thought. Verbal abuse, be it racism or not, is wrong. And isn't verbal abuse between a man and woman just another form of racism? Again, just my thoughts. (isn't it just a minor difference in cause and effect?)

It sounds like we, you me danny and you to Steven (just to name a few) have a very strong moral compass guiding us. That is a good thing.

Well now, verbal abuse between a man and woman could be racist but only if they are different races. But it would defiantly be sexist and most of the time spousal abuse. I do see where you are coming from though and yeah it's wrong. Anytime one demeans another it is wrong in my books. I have been guilty of demeaning people on this very board and truthfully I was wrong in doing that. But sometimes ya just gotta tell a moron he/she is a moron.
I see a moral character in most of the posters I read here, some don't have the same values that I have and that just makes them wrong in my opinion. I'm sure they think the same way about my values. I think most everyone believes that their values are the right ones to have, or they would change.
There are people that I know whose morals are so far from mine that I can not be friends with them without lowering my personal values, I won't do that. I won't be friends with some guy that thinks smacking his wife around is the proper thing to do. I will, and have, hung out with drunks that shouldn't be drinking at all. I will hang around someone that wears a confederate flag on his shirt unless he thinks black people are inferior because they are black. Morals and personal values are probably the most personal aspects of peoples lives.

[dilligaf]

Originally Posted by trplnkl

Well now, verbal abuse between a man and woman could be racist but only if they are different races. But it would defiantly be sexist and most of the time spousal abuse. I do see where you are coming from though and yeah it's wrong. Anytime one demeans another it is wrong in my books. I have been guilty of demeaning people on this very board and truthfully I was wrong in doing that. But sometimes ya just gotta tell a moron he/she is a moron.
I see a moral character in most of the posters I read here, some don't have the same values that I have and that just makes them wrong in my opinion. I'm sure they think the same way about my values. I think most everyone believes that their values are the right ones to have, or they would change.
There are people that I know whose morals are so far from mine that I can not be friends with them without lowering my personal values, I won't do that. I won't be friends with some guy that thinks smacking his wife around is the proper thing to do. I will, and have, hung out with drunks that shouldn't be drinking at all. I will hang around someone that wears a confederate flag on his shirt unless he thinks black people are inferior because they are black. Morals and personal values are probably the most personal aspects of peoples lives.

Very well said. There are times when I wish I could orate as well as you and some others do. It is not my forte. You do it very well.

[dannyboy]

Tpl

wears a confederate flag on his shirt unless he thinks black people are inferior because they are black.

I have a conundrum with that statement.

What would you do if the guy wearing the shirt with the flag was black....?

Not joking, have seen two of them over the last couple of years.

d

[over9five]

Originally Posted by dannyboy

Tpl



I have a conundrum with that statement.

What would you do if the guy wearing the shirt with the flag was black....?

Not joking, have seen two of them over the last couple of years.

d

I once saw a black man wearing a Ku Klux Klan robe.






<oh wait, that was Blazing Saddles>

[cdh77511]

I would not report it personally. I have driver's call me stuff like white boy all the time. That's nothing though. I know one guy who will say things like," F#$K Y*U or *** is taking you so long to load that truck" That's just the beginning of what he says. I'm used to it though. UPS hires a lot of characters and that behavior is normal in our building. We've kinda gotten used to some guys acting like that. If I was asked about it and I were the witness, I would tell the truth of course. I think some things are best resolved man to man. I'm not trying to get anybody fired. There are "other" ways of dealing with people like that to make sure they get the picture.

[Hoaxster]

Moved all the Off-Topic posts to Current Events under new thread called
What Would You do - 200 Hundred Years ago
http://www.browncafe.com/forum/curre...years_ago.html

[helenofcalifornia]

OK, so most of us agree to what a racist statement is. But what if someone enters the bathroom and spouts of with sexist jokes? How many of you are going to stand up and tell that guy that he is wrong? I don't mean to start a women's lib thang here, but I would bet that 100% of the women in this Cafe are used to hearing sexist drivel and for the most part, in one ear and out the other. Because you hear it all the time. It's as offensive as a racist statement, just handled way different by most. (And by both sexes) Just my two cents.

[moreluck]

You know, it's not just a UPS workplace event. I went to the golf course and was waiting for hubby to finish (he invited me) I got a coke at the bar and went to an outside table to sit and enjoy the weather.

There were 3 men (over 40) sitting at the first table, so I skipped one and sat at the third table. You should have heard the sexist language and just plain dirty F'in this and F'in that and real loud too. They talked about sexual conquests too. What jerks they were.

[Hoaxster]

Originally Posted by moreluck

There were 3 men (over 40) sitting at the first table, so I skipped one and sat at the third table. You should have heard the sexist language and just plain dirty F'in this and F'in that and real loud too. They talked about sexual conquests too. What jerks they were.

Sorry about that more, I did not know that was you.

[stevetheupsguy]

Originally Posted by Hoaxster

Moved all the Off-Topic posts to Current Events under new thread called
What Would You do - 200 Hundred Years ago
http://www.browncafe.com/forum/curre...years_ago.html

Thanks Hoax! I was wondering where the thread had gone. Talk about OFF TOPIC.

Originally Posted by helenofcalifornia

OK, so most of us agree to what a racist statement is. But what if someone enters the bathroom and spouts of with sexist jokes? How many of you are going to stand up and tell that guy that he is wrong? I don't mean to start a women's lib thang here, but I would bet that 100% of the women in this Cafe are used to hearing sexist drivel and for the most part, in one ear and out the other. Because you hear it all the time. It's as offensive as a racist statement, just handled way different by most. (And by both sexes) Just my two cents.

+2¢

Originally Posted by moreluck

You know, it's not just a UPS workplace event. I went to the golf course and was waiting for hubby to finish (he invited me) I got a coke at the bar and went to an outside table to sit and enjoy the weather.

There were 3 men (over 40) sitting at the first table, so I skipped one and sat at the third table. You should have heard the sexist language and just plain dirty F'in this and F'in that and real loud too. They talked about sexual conquests too. What jerks they were.

Some people will talk smack no matter who's within earshot, even if children are around.

[bigbrownhen]

Originally Posted by Braveheart

If the black driver reports it then you need to back him 100%.

On the other hand if he does not then he is a forgiving soul that does not want to cost someone there job for their ignorant mouth then let it go.

We all say stupid things to or in front of people from time to time. I would make the loser apologize personally. Then tell him his mouth almost cost him his job and to keep it shut from now on.

I would back the black fellow with whatever he wanted me to do. All men are created equal period.

This is what I was trying to say. I think maybe I was misunderstood.

[pickup]

Originally Posted by Hoaxster

Moved all the Off-Topic posts to Current Events under new thread called
What Would You do - 200 Hundred Years ago
http://www.browncafe.com/forum/curre...years_ago.html

you made my argument for me . Nowhere in the terms of service is this sort of policy mentioned. You are using powers not explicitly assigned to you to consolidate your ever growing power as a moderator What would I do 200 years ago? I would shoot the great great great great great grandfather of Hoax before he committed that vile deed, that if had not been consummated would have allowed the world to develop into an utopia of unparalleled proportions.

The south will rise again. (all said in jest!) Right idea to move those posts and clever name for the new thread, hoax.

[Hoaxster]

Originally Posted by pickup

Nowhere in the terms of service is this sort of policy mentioned. You are using powers not explicitly assigned to you to consolidate your ever growing power as a moderator Right idea to move those posts and clever name for the new thread, hoax.

I used my special powers for a Rusealing Purpose.