What does "It is what it is" mean to you?

[dilligaf]

Originally Posted by satellitedriver

Quote:
Originally Posted by satellitedriver
True,(in a sense)
my analytical friend.
All responses, to any given post, meet your criteria.

I suppose you are correct, people reveal much about themselves in a post Missed Period.


BTW,you misspelled Rorschach.(petty on my part)

you(Y, should be capitalized) got me there,(period, instead of comma) I admit I knew it was( a wrong)(an incorrect) spelling, but too lazy(comma) (delete, to open another window to find the spelling.)
(Add,to correct my spelling).
(Paragraph break)
(petty?) nah(N, should be capitalized), maybe(comma) you helped raise the bar for my future postings,(period,instead of comma) I'll be keeping an eye out for any errors in your future postings(comma) as well(period)
( many will occur, in my posts)
(and)(delete, and) I will make it a point to tell you if there are any errors.


Define; true feelings.


It looks like you should have put a colon after the word "Define"(A semi-colon is proper grammar, in this case.)(comma) but hey(comma) I am being petty. By true feelings, (I suppose,delete) I meant that(it is) one's way of looking at things. To many(comma) this is a black and white issue. But(comma) we seem to all have different opinions(comma) of what "it is what it is" actually means. I see some posters have firm opinions on this and I am not suprised(sp)(comma) as these same posters have firm opinions on a lot of things
Just having fun, acting like Sister Mary Margret Whoop Your *** grading papers with her red pencil.

You told us your observations,not your feelings. Well, unlike some posters,(meaning,me?) I don't state facts as if they were written on two tablets by god and handed to them to announce as if these facts are not open to interpretation. I try to base my opinions on observation not make my observations fit my opinions. (I try anyway)(Me, too.) I suppose a short story is in order about "observing".


A man by the name of J.J. Thompson won a nobel prize for "observing" through experiments and instruments, that the electron is a particle.
His son, many years later, won a nobel prize for "observing" through experiments and instruments, that the electron is a wave.(Sort of like a greek myth where the son upsurps the father) Both are right, but depends though how you observe and depends on the biases of the experiment and the instruments used. Maybe I should have posted this under the thread "Wave or not Wave"


I remember seeing a movie many years ago when I was a kid . It was a western, I suppose, where a shooting/murder took place in a small town. A sheriff or investigator comes out and interviews the three witnesses separately. All three witnesses witnessed three different events when relaying the scene they witnessed. All three stories were seemingly mutually exclusive And then I believe the event as it actually happened was shown in flashback. All three stories now made sense, but were different because they were from three different viewpoints.
A. Einstein explained this phenomenon, in his theory of relativity, about 100yrs ago.
My favorite quote from Albert.
"Reality is just an illusion,
albeit,
a very persistent one."


To sum up my feelings about "It is what it is" (besides the fact I wish Hoax never started the thread): It is what it is, or IS IT?
It is, because it was,and shall be.




Most posters do the same.
Pickup,
Please take my post in the jest intended.
I assume, you enjoy linguistics and verbal banter.
If I have offended you with my banter, then, I apologize beforehand.

Sat, if you are apologizing 'beforehand' should the hilited have been placed at the top of your post.

[pickup]

Originally Posted by dilligaf

Sat, if you are apologizing 'beforehand' should the hilited have been placed at the top of your post.

yeah, diligaf, I started out reading his post like I was 6 feet tall and then towards the end, I felt like two inches tall. Then I read his "beforehand" apology and now I feel like 6 feet tall again.

[pickup]

Originally Posted by satellitedriver

Quote:
Originally Posted by satellitedriver
True,(in a sense)
my analytical friend.
All responses, to any given post, meet your criteria.

I suppose you are correct, people reveal much about themselves in a post Missed Period.


BTW,you misspelled Rorschach.(petty on my part)

you(Y, should be capitalized) got me there,(period, instead of comma) I admit I knew it was( a wrong)(an incorrect) spelling, but too lazy(comma) (delete, to open another window to find the spelling.)
(Add,to correct my spelling).
(Paragraph break)
(petty?) nah(N, should be capitalized), maybe(comma) you helped raise the bar for my future postings,(period,instead of comma) I'll be keeping an eye out for any errors in your future postings(comma) as well(period)
( many will occur, in my posts)
(and)(delete, and) I will make it a point to tell you if there are any errors.


Define; true feelings.


It looks like you should have put a colon after the word "Define"(A semi-colon is proper grammar, in this case.)(comma) but hey(comma) I am being petty. By true feelings, (I suppose,delete) I meant that(it is) one's way of looking at things. To many(comma) this is a black and white issue. But(comma) we seem to all have different opinions(comma) of what "it is what it is" actually means. I see some posters have firm opinions on this and I am not suprised(sp)(comma) as these same posters have firm opinions on a lot of things
Just having fun, acting like Sister Mary Margret Whoop Your *** grading papers with her red pencil.

You told us your observations,not your feelings. Well, unlike some posters,(meaning,me?) I don't state facts as if they were written on two tablets by god and handed to them to announce as if these facts are not open to interpretation. I try to base my opinions on observation not make my observations fit my opinions. (I try anyway)(Me, too.) I suppose a short story is in order about "observing".


A man by the name of J.J. Thompson won a nobel prize for "observing" through experiments and instruments, that the electron is a particle.
His son, many years later, won a nobel prize for "observing" through experiments and instruments, that the electron is a wave.(Sort of like a greek myth where the son upsurps the father) Both are right, but depends though how you observe and depends on the biases of the experiment and the instruments used. Maybe I should have posted this under the thread "Wave or not Wave"


I remember seeing a movie many years ago when I was a kid . It was a western, I suppose, where a shooting/murder took place in a small town. A sheriff or investigator comes out and interviews the three witnesses separately. All three witnesses witnessed three different events when relaying the scene they witnessed. All three stories were seemingly mutually exclusive And then I believe the event as it actually happened was shown in flashback. All three stories now made sense, but were different because they were from three different viewpoints.
A. Einstein explained this phenomenon, in his theory of relativity, about 100yrs ago.
My favorite quote from Albert.
"Reality is just an illusion,
albeit,
a very persistent one."


To sum up my feelings about "It is what it is" (besides the fact I wish Hoax never started the thread): It is what it is, or IS IT?
It is, because it was,and shall be.




Most posters do the same.
Pickup,
Please take my post in the jest intended.
I assume, you enjoy linguistics and verbal banter.
If I have offended you with my banter, then, I apologize beforehand.

No, my martian friend, you have not offended me. Your apology only served for me to see that you weren't pissed off in your response for I thought maybe I did piss you off before I arrived at the end of your post.

I do enjoy linguistics and verbal banter so you assumed correctly. Here is a little back at you. All offered in the spirit of jest.
I am not going to inject more writing into the above lest it causes too much confusion. And for a moment there, satellite driver, I did feel like I was back in 6th grade staring at the red marked composition that I felt, just a days before, was going to come back unscathed. However, I took some delight in seeing your own glaring errors and laughed to myself saying "this guy is going to remove the mote from my eye when he can't even remove the one from his?"

I'll start off with the usage of the semi-colon . You previously stated "Define; true feelings" I suggested usage of a colon in place of your usage of semi-colon. Upon further review, I see that I should have told you that you should have stated " Define true feelings." . Now that I did some checking, I see that my latter ruling is correct. I give a link for proper usage of the semi-colon ,http://www.essortment.com/all/semicolon_rcnr.htm . Can you tell me which of the conditions stated in the link apply in your usage of a semicolon? If you don't like the link, find another one that supports your usage.
I see that a colon is definitely not called for here because this link ,http://www.essortment.com/all/grammarpunctu_rxjn.htm , has an article stating ,amongst other things, do not separate a verb from its objects. This would be case # 2 under "common misuses of the colon" in the linked article. So I definitely conclude you should have correctly stated "Define true feelings." I would have correctly corrected you earlier if I didn't fall into your trap of thinking there had to be any punctuation marks at all, in that part of your sentence.

Now for the easier stuff. You stated after I stated my view about trying to make my opinions subservient to my observations , "Me too." I think the verb "try" is implied in that sentence and if so , the correct response would be "I try also" . If you want to disagree and say the verb "do" is implied as opposed to the verb I thought was implied, Okay! You still have to choose the first person pronoun that would be in the nominative case, not the accusative(direct object) case or ablative case (I am trying to close any loopholes your devious mind might devise). So the correct choice is "I". Just say "I too" mentally to yourself to determine if it sounds correct.

Okay, you got me on a missed period or two. If I were a woman and wasn't trying to conceive, I might be worried. As for the usage of commas, you got me in a couple of spots. I think you got overzealous and suggested a few places for commas that didn't need them. However, I will definitely go into a coma if I go into a long dissertation on commas.

When i was referring to other posters as if they were coming down from Mount Zion, no, I wasn't referring to you. Sorry if you might have felt otherwise.( You might be offended now if you have a "Moses Complex" . Sorry if my response doesn't validate your feelings.)

I liked your tie-in with the Einstein view. I have read the english translations of his works and see that it ties in well.

Well, Mr. Satellite driver, thanks to you , I will continue to strive upwards (excelsior) in my quest to reach perfection in terms of the grammatical quality of my posts. I will not succeed because perfection is unattainable but I will be a better poster for trying. Although, like others here, I am posting when I should be sleeping so some of my errors will have to be forgiven.

Continue educating me, if you so desire , for there will be times when I see a glaring error of yours, that I will nail you on as well. Wait until my lesson on "Predicate Nominative" .

[dilligaf]

Originally Posted by pickup

No, my martian friend, you have not offended me. Your apology only served for me to see that you weren't pissed off in your response for I thought maybe I did piss you off before I arrived at the end of your post.

I do enjoy linguistics and verbal banter so you assumed correctly. Here is a little back at you. All offered in the spirit of jest.
I am not going to inject more writing into the above lest it causes too much confusion. And for a moment there, satellite driver, I did feel like I was back in 6th grade staring at the red marked composition that I felt, just a days before, was going to come back unscathed. However, I took some delight in seeing your own glaring errors and laughed to myself saying "this guy is going to remove the mote from my eye when he can't even remove the one from his?"

I'll start off with the usage of the semi-colon . You previously stated "Define; true feelings" I suggested usage of a colon in place of your usage of semi-colon. Upon further review, I see that I should have told you that you should have stated " Define true feelings." . Now that I did some checking, I see that my latter ruling is correct. I give a link for proper usage of the semi-colon ,http://www.essortment.com/all/semicolon_rcnr.htm . Can you tell me which of the conditions stated in the link apply in your usage of a semicolon? If you don't like the link, find another one that supports your usage.
I see that a colon is definitely not called for here because this link ,http://www.essortment.com/all/grammarpunctu_rxjn.htm , has an article stating ,amongst other things, do not separate a verb from its objects. This would be case # 2 under "common misuses of the colon" in the linked article. So I definitely conclude you should have correctly stated "Define true feelings." I would have correctly corrected you earlier if I didn't fall into your trap of thinking there had to be any punctuation marks at all, in that part of your sentence.

Now for the easier stuff. You stated after I stated my view about trying to make my opinions subservient to my observations , "Me too." I think the verb "try" is implied in that sentence and if so , the correct response would be "I try also" . If you want to disagree and say the verb "do" is implied as opposed to the verb I thought was implied, Okay! You still have to choose the first person pronoun that would be in the nominative case, not the accusative(direct object) case or ablative case (I am trying to close any loopholes your devious mind might devise). So the correct choice is "I". Just say "I too" mentally to yourself to determine if it sounds correct.

Okay, you got me on a missed period or two. If I were a woman and wasn't trying to conceive, I might be worried. As for the usage of commas, you got me in a couple of spots. I think you got overzealous and suggested a few places for commas that didn't need them. However, I will definitely go into a coma if I go into a long dissertation on commas.

When i was referring to other posters as if they were coming down from Mount Zion, no, I wasn't referring to you. Sorry if you might have felt otherwise.( You might be offended now if you have a "Moses Complex" . Sorry if my response doesn't validate your feelings.)

I liked your tie-in with the Einstein view. I have read the english translations of his works and see that it ties in well.

Well, Mr. Satellite driver, thanks to you , I will continue to strive upwards (excelsior) in my quest to reach perfection in terms of the grammatical quality of my posts. I will not succeed because perfection is unattainable but I will be a better poster for trying. Although, like others here, I am posting when I should be sleeping so some of my errors will have to be forgiven.

Continue educating me, if you so desire , for there will be times when I see a glaring error of yours, that I will nail you on as well. Wait until my lesson on "Predicate Nominative" .

You forgot to capitilize the i!

[pickup]

Originally Posted by dilligaf

You forgot to capitilize the i!

I ain't writing for the new york times.

[dilligaf]

Originally Posted by pickup

I ain't writing for the new york times.

Well considering the lenght of that dissertation I thought you did a pretty good job of only missing the i. You could probably write for the New York Times. LOL

[satellitedriver]

Originally Posted by pickup

Wait until my lesson on "Predicate Nominative" .

Jeez,
We would get into a discussion of the four “cases” - Nominative, Genitive, Accusative, and Dative- and truly bore the heck out of everyone.
In college, I was corrupted by Kurt Vonnegut's style of writing (in the early 70's) and pure grammar rules have not bothered me since that time.

[pickup]

Originally Posted by dilligaf

Well considering the lenght of that dissertation I thought you did a pretty good job of only missing the i. You could probably write for the New York Times. LOL

Thanks, I think. The motto of The New York Times is "All the news that is fit to print". I think it should be "all the news that is print to fit(a liberal agenda)." So I don't think I will be working there any time soon, not that anyone is offering me a job.

By the way, you typed in "lenght" in your post. Does that refer to a period of Lent where the observer picked a particularly hard to drop vice for 40 days and hence, it seems like those 40 days are the toughest of his life? (a combination of two words like "lent" and "ugh" together). Or is it a simple misspelling?

Yeah, I also took note of your subtle suggestion that I should have capitalized the first letter of each word in "The New York Times". Maybe you should get a job there as a proofreader.

[dilligaf]

Originally Posted by pickup

Thanks, I think. The motto of The New York Times is "All the news that is fit to print". I think it should be "all the news that is print to fit(a liberal agenda)." So I don't think I will be working there any time soon, not that anyone is offering me a job.

By the way, you typed in "lenght" in your post. Does that refer to a period of Lent where the observer picked a particularly hard to drop vice for 40 days and hence, it seems like those 40 days are the toughest of his life? (a combination of two words like "lent" and "ugh" together). Or is it a simple misspelling?

Yeah, I also took note of your subtle suggestion that I should have capitalized the first letter of each word in "The New York Times". Maybe you should get a job there as a proofreader.

LOL I meant it in a good way so, you are welcome. I missed the typo and I usually proof read. Good catch.

[pickup]

Originally Posted by satellitedriver

Jeez,
We would get into a discussion of the four “cases” - Nominative, Genitive, Accusative, and Dative- and truly bore the heck out of everyone.
In college, I was corrupted by Kurt Vonnegut's style of writing (in the early 70's) and pure grammar rules have not bothered me since that time.

No please let's not get into that discussion for I only really became intimately acquanted with the cases when I studied Latin in high school. And it is somewhat true that : Latin is a dead language
Dead as it can be
First it killed the Romans
And now it is killing me!

Yeah, I remember Kurt Vonnegut's style of writing, that could corrupt anyone.

When I was in college, I had a job typing in stuff as I watched videotape recordings of the local newscasts. My job was to type in stuff that was related to any industrial products, services, etc. For example, if I watched a story about cigarette smoking, I had to type about the spin the news report was putting on it, as well as any images (like a pack of marlboro) as well as any mentions of company names like Philip Morris. It was told to me that this info would be bought by companies (in this case, philip Morris) to see what light their company and their products were being presented in the media, presumably so they could do counterspin if they felt it was necessary
to do so.
I can't remember the name of the company I worked for( I called it "the deathtrap" because the office stunk to high heaven from all the formaldehyde leaching from the furniture into the office atmosphere (you couldn't open a window if you tried), but it had a subsidiary called Burrell's. You might have heard of this name ,for at the end of many television shows like Oprah, it would either be vocally stated or written "To receive a transcript of this show, contacts Burrell's at such a such address and send x amount of dollars" . I don't watch much television anymore and they do more promos over the credits than they did years ago, so I don't know if Burrell's is still around .

Anyway, working there helped me get my typing skills into good shape, but it also corrupted my grammar as the emphasis was on the information, not on it being typed in grammatically correct or with the correct punctuation marks. Misspellngs were accepted as long as a reader would still be able to easily figure out what was being expressed. And if you were real good at it, you didn't have to hit the pause button to catch up. But to be real good at it, you had to leave the rules of grammar and punctuation cleanup on the side.

Unfortunately, I typed on the old style computer keyboards(with the raised keys) and now am somewhat crippled when I type on my Mac keyboard (where the keys aren't raised in the fashion that I became accustomed to). A lot of times, I do hit the shift key to capitalize an "I" but it doesn't make it that way to my screen. Now, due to dilligaf, I will make a better effort.

On a more humourous note, there is a joke that goes like this "he is so dumb, it takes him two hours to watch sixty minutes" . It was no joke with me, I had to alway hit pause and rewind on that show because if they did an expose on a company or product , I got overwhelmed" . I was always thanking god when Andy Rooney finally came on at the end because he would rarely mention a product and if he did , it was in passing or not done in a critical manner.

So, Satellite Driver, we both know we are capable of doing better than we do here, but I'll let a lot of your stuff slide if you let my stuff slide.

[pickup]

duplicate post

[pickup]

So now you know why I can bang out these long dissertations, for I really don't need to look at the keyboard when I type and I can bang out about 50 wpm half asleep. I use to be able to do 80 wpm(fully alert) on a different keyboard but I will never get totally acclimated to this mac keyboard.

[pickup]

Originally Posted by dilligaf

LOL I meant it in a good way so, you are welcome. I missed the typo and I usually proof read. Good catch.

I suppose we can all take this saying to heart : " Remember, when you point a finger at someone, there are three fingers pointing back at you"

[dilligaf]

Originally Posted by pickup

I suppose we can all take this saying to heart : " Remember, when you point a finger at someone, there are three fingers pointing back at you"

'Tis true!

[satellitedriver]

Originally Posted by pickup

No please let's not get into that discussion for I only really became intimately acquanted with the cases when I studied Latin in high school. And it is somewhat true that : Latin is a dead language
Dead as it can be
First it killed the Romans
And now it is killing me!
Funny you should bring up Latin and the "cases".
I was involved in an "experimental learning" Latin class at The University of Houston.
(My favorite course, next to symbolic logic.)
I learned more about English grammar ,than I ever learned in High School or my English writing courses in college.
Latin is not dead, it invaded and mutated into the root base of many languages.

Yeah, I remember Kurt Vonnegut's style of writing, that could corrupt anyone.
Fess up,
Kurt's use of dialogue was the best.
Rarely have I read the spoken word expressed in such a natural form.


So, Satellite Driver, we both know we are capable of doing better than we do here, but I'll let a lot of your stuff slide if you let my stuff slide.
In my dotage, I can only hope to be half as good as I was.
I view our Tete-a-tete (sp) as a shuffle board game.
I slide my puck down a narrow alley, to make a point, and my competitor on the other end has the exact same goal in mind.
After the match, we sit on deck chairs (with drinks in hand) and watch the sunset.
Tomorrow we will slide our pucks at each other in a new game, but in the end will sit and watch this day pass.

[satellitedriver]

Originally Posted by dilligaf

Sat, if you are apologizing 'beforehand' should the hilited have been placed at the top of your post.

Dlli,
It was a Post Script, to my post. The "apologetic" was if the reader found offense in my post. Ergo, the reader had to read the post before being offended.
All BS aside,
"beforehand'" is an archaic term and I assumed with Pickups literary background that he would know the order in which I placed that term.

[over9five]

Yikes, what a thread! Darn intellectuals gummin' up the place!!!!

[dilligaf]

Originally Posted by satellitedriver

Dlli,
It was a Post Script, to my post. The "apologetic" was if the reader found offense in my post. Ergo, the reader had to read the post before being offended.
All BS aside,
"beforehand'" is an archaic term and I assumed with Pickups literary background that he would know the order in which I placed that term.

I am out of my league here. It's all yours!

[trplnkl]

yada,yada,yada...I'm pretty sure Mensa has a web based forum.

[The-UK-Guy]

I hate that stupid saying Its not an answer to a question ,its not advice of any kind, it`s what you say when you didnt really listen to a conversation you were having or you cant be bothered to think of a solution to a situation or if you just want to end a conversation. Either way I think its an answer or statement that shows you dont really give a **** about the superficial conversation you were having at the time you said it........ It is what it is after all

[Hoaxster]

Originally Posted by The-UK-Guy

I hate that stupid saying Its not an answer to a question ,its not advice of any kind, it`s what you say when you didnt really listen to a conversation you were having or you cant be bothered to think of a solution to a situation or if you just want to end a conversation. Either way I think its an answer or statement that shows you dont really give a **** about the superficial conversation you were having at the time you said it........ It is what it is after all

It is what it is ... would like to respond but got to go.

[Sleeve_meet_Heart]

Originally Posted by over9five

Yikes, what a thread! Darn intellectuals gummin' up the place!!!!

It is what it is.

[rod]

"It is what it is" is just a phrase thrown around UPS that means " you would have better luck talking to a brick wall than arguing with me". It is always followed by the person that says it doing an abrupt 180 degree turn and walking away from you -- to which you respond by giving them a one finger wave.

[satellitedriver]

Originally Posted by trplnkl

yada,yada,yada...I'm pretty sure Mensa has a web based forum.

You are correct.
Official American Mensa online community: www.community.us.mensa.org

[Hoaxster]

Originally Posted by rod

"It is what it is" is just a phrase thrown around UPS that means " you would have better luck talking to a brick wall than arguing with me". It is always followed by the person that says it doing an abrupt 180 degree turn and walking away from you -- to which you respond by giving them a one finger wave.

Good example of a concept in action.