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[Livin the Dream?]

I'm serious. This is a non-rhetorical question;

I cannot for the life of me figure out why I should give a damn what a FedEx employee makes per hour.

Can someone please explain to me why anyone already employed anywhere else, especially UPS, becomes so rabid over someone else at another company and what they make per hour?

I'd prefer to hear some common sense answer - I'd really like to know, because I don't get it.

NOTE "Fairness" is not an answer -

[mungrin]

Its because all these guys on this site are secretly jealous of Fedex that they need to start all these threads about Fedex and how they are getting ripped off.Thats the only thing I can think of.All the Fedex talk is getting really out of hand.Like who cares?

[dannyboy]

Dude......like you brought it up. So if it is not that interesting to you, why give it extra air time??????

What IS the deal with you and their wages?

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[Livin the Dream?]

Originally Posted by dannyboy

Dude......like you brought it up. So if it is not that interesting to you, why give it extra air time??????

What IS the deal with you and their wages?

d

Don't exactly know who you are talking to, but assuming it is me...

The fact that everyone here is in a frenzy about it is very interesting to me, and the basis of my question - why?

[dannyboy]

I have yet to see anything that resembles a frenzied post about the subject, until this one.

Maybe I need to spend a lot more time looking at every post..........

d

[MrFedEx]

You should care because the "subsidy" FedEx Express gets by being able to stay classified under the RLA means lower rates and operating costs for a direct competitor. The IC model at FedEx Ground has the same effect on rates and operating costs.

[upsguy72]

Originally Posted by Livin the Dream?

I'm serious. This is a non-rhetorical question;

I cannot for the life of me figure out why I should give a damn what a FedEx employee makes per hour.

Can someone please explain to me why anyone already employed anywhere else, especially UPS, becomes so rabid over someone else at another company and what they make per hour?

I'd prefer to hear some common sense answer - I'd really like to know, because I don't get it.

NOTE "Fairness" is not an answer -

Are you for real????? Anyone with half a brain could figure it out but since you can't I'll explain.

1. UPS and FedEx do the same thing (ie deliver packages if you didn't know).

2. UPS and FedEx currently are cover under 2 different labor act.

3. Which makes it harder for Fedex employees to unionize which intern means FedEx can pay there employees/ subcontractor alot less than UPS pays their employees and.

4. FedEx use subcontractor to get around paying benifits.

5. Thus FedEx can set low ball prices.

6. If FedEx has to operate under the same labor act as UPS they would eventually become fully unionized and have to pay thier employees a fair wage with benifits while getting rid of subcontractors.

7. Which intern would mean FedEx would have to Stop low balling Bids.

8. Thus and even playing field.

[MD Dan]

Originally Posted by upsguy72

Are you for real????? Anyone with half a brain could figure it out but since you can't I'll explain.

1. UPS and FedEx do the same thing (ie deliver packages if you didn't know).

2. UPS and FedEx currently are cover under 2 different labor act.

3. Which makes it harder for Fedex employees to unionize which intern means FedEx can pay there employees/ subcontractor alot less than UPS pays their employees and.

4. FedEx use subcontractor to get around paying benifits.

5. Thus FedEx can set low ball prices.

6. If FedEx has to operate under the same labor act as UPS they would eventually become fully unionized and have to pay thier employees a fair wage with benifits while getting rid of subcontractors.

7. Which intern would mean FedEx would have to Stop low balling Bids.

8. Thus and even playing field.

Exactly! (Spelling issues aside)

[Livin the Dream?]

Originally Posted by upsguy72

Are you for real????? Anyone with half a brain could figure it out but since you can't I'll explain.
...

8. Thus and even playing field.

Like I said, fairness is not a valid answer. Life isn't, hasn't been, and will never be fair.

[Buffaloaf]

I don't think that "fairness" is what the poster was trying to say. To say you want to,"level the playing field," is to say that you do not want your competitor to have the flexibility to offer low ball bids for contracts because they are not paying their employees well. People want FedEx to have to pay similar wages and benes as UPS because they believe that -- with a level playing field -- UPS will be able to win over some major contracts from FedEx. In return, we will be able to keep our already nice salaries and benes, but will also be able to create more Full-time Management, Full-time Combo, and Full-time driver jobs. It's good for Union and management alike.

Does this make sense to the original poster?

[Buffaloaf]

Originally Posted by Livin the Dream?

Like I said, fairness is not a valid answer. Life isn't, hasn't been, and will never be fair.

I'm not sure how this is even relevant. Just because life isn't fair doesn't mean that we shouldn't approach it with a goal for equality. Did we tell black people, "Quit your crying; bail some hay; life isn't fair!" No, we (very slowly) began giving them rights and freedoms. We didn't tell women it was okay for us to not allow them to vote because "Life isn't fair."

Granted these are more drastic examples, but I think it carries the same spirit of trying to achieve some sort of state of equity. No one can expect for everything to be equal and fair all the time -- but they should expect that fairness and equity was in mind when the decisions were made.

[Re-Raise]

Originally Posted by Livin the Dream?

Like I said, fairness is not a valid answer. Life isn't, hasn't been, and will never be fair.

I am glad the founding fathers weren't chicken ****z with this attitude or we would still be paying taxes to the British.

[MD Dan]

Fairness doesn't enter into it. This is all about competition. If FedEx has to work under the same labor laws as UPS, then FedEx labor costs will also tend to be similar to UPS. This is the level playing field that we (at UPS) find desirable.

[Re-Raise]

Anything that raises the cost for FedEx to deliver a package is good for UPS, obviously.

[Livin the Dream?]

A level playing field, fair, would be UPS having the ability to use the same model as FedEx.

We can't, because we are hobbled by the union. So we are pulling a Tonya Harding on FedEx.

That's not fairness, that is not making the playing field level - that is breaking your competitors kneecaps with a pipe.

All the fluff that people spew about fairness, level playing field - I call baloney.

Let's use the Freeing of the slaves example above - to use what UPS is doing with FedEx would be the same as helping those that were slaves by making everyone slaves - that levels the playing field.

It would be like taking the women who couldn't vote & telling them "no problem - we'll make it so both men AND women can't vote".

Of course the above two examples make no sense and are stupid - and exactly what UPS is doing.


If everyone at UPS said "hey, we're screwed due to the Union, and we can make FedExes expenses just as high as ours by using legislative warfare, forcing them to use higher wages & benefits", I would at least be able to respect that. But all this total BS about "fair" is a lie. UPS can't adapt with pay, so we force others to pay as much as we are forced to. At least that is honest.

[Buffaloaf]

You obviously have comprehension and psychological issues that are far beyond the help anyone could offer over a message board. We gave you legitimately good reasons for why people are concerned over this issue, you simply choose to reject them. Good day.

[Johney]

I think what a lot of posters are missing here is the fact that if the laws are changed it really shouldn't mean anything unless the employees at Fed Ex vote/decide to go union. Their wages are not going to change by this bill(or whatever)passing right? The Fed Ex express guy I talked to today(25years with them) had no idea what was going on.He told me there was no way they were going to unionize. So really a level playing field is if they unionize like us and they fight for more $$$. If not how do things change?

[Johney]

I'm just getting a little lost trying to keep up,please help me stay intact

[Mike23]

Lets also look at it this way.

1. Our contract is up soon
2. That means we need to negotiate
3. Fedex does the same stuff we do
(I use numbers like management too MD Dan )

What does this add up to? UPS will be sitting at the tables going, 'well, feeeedex doesn't get paid that much! We pay our employees well enough I think'.

Fedex has lower wages so therefore it's VERY likely we'll have lower wages.

[Livin the Dream?]

You gave me legitimate reasons why FEDEX employees would care. And the vast majority of FedEx employees don't care about this issue.

I already KNOW that raising the expenses at FedEx has the potential to help UPS by hurting FedEx. That is an obvious. I also believe that is the only reason this is being done.

I guess if FedEx employees were rallying for this, I would be all for it. They are not. It is UPS pushing it, which is distasteful at best.

Sorry for bothering all with the thread.

[Livin the Dream?]

Originally Posted by Mike23

Lets also look at it this way.

1. Our contract is up soon
2. That means we need to negotiate
3. Fedex does the same stuff we do
(I use numbers like management too MD Dan )

What does this add up to? UPS will be sitting at the tables going, 'well, feeeedex doesn't get paid that much! We pay our employees well enough I think'.

Fedex has lower wages so therefore it's VERY likely we'll have lower wages.

See, that is at least honest - I respect that. No "helping our brother drivers to be paid fair" total BS.

[bluehdmc]

Originally Posted by Livin the Dream?

You gave me legitimate reasons why FEDEX employees would care. And the vast majority of FedEx employees don't care about this issue.

I already KNOW that raising the expenses at FedEx has the potential to help UPS by hurting FedEx. That is an obvious. I also believe that is the only reason this is being done.

I guess if FedEx employees were rallying for this, I would be all for it. They are not. It is UPS pushing it, which is distasteful at best.

Sorry for bothering all with the thread.

How do you know the "vast majority of FedEx empoyees don't care about this issue"?

What I find distasteful is a company, (not just fedex), that starts out telling their employees, "you don't need a union, we'll pay you a comparable wage and benefit package, after all we're just one big happy family."

Then a few years down the road, "Dad" starts saying things like, "business is tough, benefit costs have skyrocketed."
"We're all gonna have to pitch in, so family, you're gonna have to take a pension cut, forego your raises, and help contribute to the cost of your benefits, (kind like a double pay cut)."
"We'll weather this storm and come out on the other side a stronger company."
"After all we're just on big happy family"

Meanwhile, "Dad" takes a token pay cut, (hey when you make say $15million a year, is even a $5 million pay cut a lot? When is there enough millions).

Also "Dad" always wanted a sports team, lets go buy one. (But that's separate, that's "Dad" using his own money to buy the team. Company money is in "Dad's" right pants pocket, "personal" monies in the left. That's when it goes out, it all gets stuffed in the pockets from the same source)

Plus "Dad" or any big business, (and quite a few small ones), pay accountants all kinds of money to figure ways to "enrich" themselves and lower their "tax burden".

So maybe they're making "less money" but the hidden "executive" perks, such as private jets, chauffered cars, etc are still there.

It's like an old joke about two business men having lunch together, "Joe" asks "Bill", "How's business?"
Bill replies, "Not bad."
Joe replies, "Great, now I can write this off as a business lunch."
Of course they've limited the # of martinis they can write off.

[upssalesguy]

fairness.

[mungrin]

Originally Posted by Livin the Dream?

That's not fairness, that is not making the playing field level - that is breaking your competitors kneecaps with a pipe.

I completly agree with you.Its not fair.But who said life is fair.
We are going to put Fedex out of business.Its ugly but thats what business is.If you cant stand the heat,stay out of the kitchen.

I enjoy hurting Fedex and I hope Obama,the Teamsters and UPS continue hurting Fedex.It helps me sleep better at night.

[soberups]

Originally Posted by Livin the Dream?

A level playing field, fair, would be UPS having the ability to use the same model as FedEx.

We can't, because we are hobbled by the union. So we are pulling a Tonya Harding on FedEx.
.

If we are "hobbled" by the union, how did we become the largest and most profitable delivery company on earth?

If we take your "logic" to its ultimate, ridiculous conclusion...we in the United States should just eliminate all child labor laws, enviormental laws, and safety laws so that we will have a "level" playing field and can use the same model as, say, China.

You are proposing a race to the bottom. I would prefer a race to the top.