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brownrodster · 07-02-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by upsguy72

If you don't like starting out PT and making hardly anything GO FIND ANOTHER JOB. There are plenty of people out there that will take your place and put in ther time as a PT for the oportunity to be a driver down the road

I know bums who would rather panhandle on the corner than work for 8.50$ an hour.

I think it's bodes poorly for the future of the company when your only criteria for hiring new people, who will someday be supervisors and drivers, is that they were willing to show up. If you cared about the future of the company maybe you would like to select the best candidates from an application pool, not hire those who cannot do any better than a lousy 8.50 an hour pt job and simply showed up to an interview.

mungrin · 07-02-2009, 09:53 PM

isnt that close to Fast Food pay?

brownrodster · 07-02-2009, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mungrin

isnt that close to Fast Food pay?

Maybe where you are from but fast food pays atleat 10$ an hour here.

mungrin · 07-02-2009, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by brownrodster

Maybe where you are from but fast food pays atleat 10$ an hour here.

Really?Some cashier at Mc'Dees is making more than a UPS guy?

upser_J · 07-03-2009, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by brownrodster

I know bums who would rather panhandle on the corner than work for 8.50$ an hour.

I think it's bodes poorly for the future of the company when your only criteria for hiring new people, who will someday be supervisors and drivers, is that they were willing to show up. If you cared about the future of the company maybe you would like to select the best candidates from an application pool, not hire those who cannot do any better than a lousy 8.50 an hour pt job and simply showed up to an interview.

less workers mean more ot for everyone

Hoaxster · 07-03-2009, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by softshoe

Too bad the the greedy supervisors/managers are not willing to give up a little to help their hard working ,under paid, part timers.

Yeah, I guess all us full-timers are guilty but I guess some must ask, "Am I my brother's keeper?"

Just Numbers · 07-03-2009, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mungrin

I dont get your Math.You are factoring benefits into your hourly wage?

Dude,huge fail.

Stop thinking like a rookie...with the yrs you have in you should understand and appreciate your compensation pkg.

mungrin · 07-03-2009, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Numbers

Stop thinking like a rookie...with the yrs you have in you should understand and appreciate your compensation pkg.

Huh? I do appreciate my compensation but i dont go around telling people i make $68 an hour because i dont.Im not thinking like a rookie,im thinking like a normal person.I get an hrly wage+benefits.

If you wanna go around and tell people you make some fake number go right ahead.People might see you as a weirdo.

Just Numbers · 07-03-2009, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mungrin

Huh? I do appreciate my compensation but i dont go around telling people i make $68 an hour because i dont.Im not thinking like a rookie,im thinking like a normal person.I get an hrly wage+benefits.

If you wanna go around and tell people you make some fake number go right ahead.People might see you as a weirdo.

Are you ashamed of the fact you actually make that much an hour when you factor in all the benefits? Of course not. My point is many f/t employees do not understand how much they are really paid per hour when the cost of all benefits are added into it. Then they have the gall to complain about p/t wages.

mungrin · 07-03-2009, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Numbers

Are you ashamed of the fact you actually make that much an hour when you factor in all the benefits? Of course not. My point is many f/t employees do not understand how much they are really paid per hour when the cost of all benefits are added into it. Then they have the gall to complain about p/t wages.

I dont make that much an hour because I dont factor my benefits into my hourly wage.

Just Numbers · 07-03-2009, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by mungrin

I dont make that much an hour because I dont factor my benefits into my hourly wage.

I used to think exactly like you do until UPS would send out those compensation pamphlets as to additional benefit cost. At that point I realized how much it was costing to employ my butt. By the way, do you have a R/O or option day today?

feederdriver06 · 07-03-2009, 11:58 AM

Hey MUNGRIN .....is that your middle finger that I see in your avitar pic?

labels_up · 07-03-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bubsdad

It is the nature of the beast. Take from the bottom and give to the top. Why do you think drivers are making as much as we do? It isn't because UPS is generous. It is because the people who actually show up to vote are the people that benefit from the wage increases. They couldn't care less about the people who are not gaining from new contracts as long as they get their raises. That's why p/t wages and benefits are a joke and why the progression for f/t keeps expanding in length. I tried to point out some of the bad deals in this contract but all I got was, "Oh well, That doesn't affect me".

The problem is as a PT-er one gets the impression the union doesn't really give a damn except when it comes to taking money out of my check every month (they decided to take out an extra dollar this time??) and when it's time for an election/contract. It's not like we have a steward that works anywhere near/around where I am (primary sort) that we even see on a regular basis. Not to mention union meetings are 2 hours round trip away from where I live (that's about 1/2 a tank of gas for me, gas money is an issue when you work pt) and take place Sat. mornings when I work the night shift.

Oh, it was nice they killed the 22.3 jobs too, for those of us who were hoping to get one of those eventually...

upsguy72 · 07-03-2009, 07:40 PM

We all make choices on where we want to work. I don't think any stuck a gun to your head and said that you had to work for UPS.

Before I work at UPS I worked in a paper mill making almost $20.00 hr and working 48 hrs a week but getting paid for 60. However the mill closed and I had to get two jobs.

One was working PT for UPS on the preload shift 5-9 for $9.50.
The other was working at a converting company 3:30pm-2:00 am for $11.00. Both of those jobs still didn't add up to what I was making at the mill but the UPS job gave me full benefits after 4 months and the opportunity to get a full time driver job.

Now I'm a full time driver and I'm not ashamed of making the money that I do.

I guess what pisses me off the most about people these days is that they want to make good money but don't want to put in the time or effort.

If you don't want to put in your time or effort than go get a job at Mc Donald's what I hear the starting pay is a little higher. But they probably don't give raises like UPS, there no chance of advancement and I'm sure they don't have anything close to the benefits that UPS gives us.

Sleeve_meet_Heart · 07-03-2009, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by labels_up

The problem is as a PT-er one gets the impression the union doesn't really give a damn except when it comes to taking money out of my check every month (they decided to take out an extra dollar this time??) and when it's time for an election/contract. It's not like we have a steward that works anywhere near/around where I am (primary sort) that we even see on a regular basis. Not to mention union meetings are 2 hours round trip away from where I live (that's about 1/2 a tank of gas for me, gas money is an issue when you work pt) and take place Sat. mornings when I work the night shift.

Oh, it was nice they killed the 22.3 jobs too, for those of us who were hoping to get one of those eventually...

You can not blame the union for "killing" 22.3 jobs. UPS technically would have never created them if the union did not care, even though the contract said they must. The fact is there is no language to maintain the specific jobs location, so UPS is using this loophole. Can not blame the union for that.

bubsdad · 07-03-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by labels_up

The problem is as a PT-er one gets the impression the union doesn't really give a damn except when it comes to taking money out of my check every month (they decided to take out an extra dollar this time??) and when it's time for an election/contract. It's not like we have a steward that works anywhere near/around where I am (primary sort) that we even see on a regular basis. Not to mention union meetings are 2 hours round trip away from where I live (that's about 1/2 a tank of gas for me, gas money is an issue when you work pt) and take place Sat. mornings when I work the night shift.

Oh, it was nice they killed the 22.3 jobs too, for those of us who were hoping to get one of those eventually...

And the union sees it as p/ters not giving a damn. Most of the p/t loaders and unloaders have no idea why the money is being taken out of their check for dues. Fact is they don't care as long as they can do their thing and go home. Most of them have no desire to learn what the union is about. And don't blame the union for the loss of the combo jobs. I've heard that argument and it has no merit.

Hoaxster · 07-03-2009, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bubsdad

And the union sees it as p/ters not giving a damn. Most of the p/t loaders and unloaders have no idea why the money is being taken out of their check for dues. Fact is they don't care as long as they can do their thing and go home. Most of them have no desire to learn what the union is about. And don't blame the union for the loss of the combo jobs. I've heard that argument and it has no merit.

Let me interpret this for you in a concise, terse explanation:
It is what it is. {sigh}
[Pull back camera as Hoax walks away]

bubsdad · 07-03-2009, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoaxster

Let me interpret this for you in a concise, terse explanation:
It is what it is. {sigh}
[Pull back camera as Hoax walks away]

Hoax, come back! Yeah, sadly, it is what it is.

JonFrum · 07-03-2009, 10:22 PM

Regarding the Minimum Wage . . .

The Federal Minimum Wage is due to increase to $7.25 per hour in three weeks. About 19 States already have State Minimum Wages at $7.25 or higher. Maybe they will go even higher on or after July 24th.

The Federal Minimum Wage applies nationwide, but an employee will get the State Minimum Wage if the State Wage is higher.

Currently, Calif. Conn. Ill. and Mass. are at $8.00.

Vermont is $8.06, Oregon is $8.40 and Washington is $8.55!!!

Yet UPS and the Teamsters start part-timers at $8.50!!! And remember, those part-timers have dues and initiation fee deducted from their check so they are really making that much less. And only get 17.5 hours a week or so.

The $8.50 Part-time Starting Wage is due to stay the same until the Contract expires July 31, 2013. Imagine how much State and Federal Minimum Wage Laws will exceed $8.50 by then.

State by State details are here . . .
http://www.dol.gov/esa/minwage/america.htm

herbigharo32 · 07-03-2009, 11:56 PM

When comparing the choices of other PT work in the DFW area, UPS is quite good in my humble opinion. Try working thru a temp agency doing basically the same type of work and get NO BENEFITS, NO JOB SECURITY!! Years ago, I took a temp job at Home Interiors and Gifts in Carrolton, TX. The management treated me well. But, when my supplemental unemployment checks started running out, I quickly found another job. Basically, the work was very much the same as what I do at UPS now.

labels_up · 07-04-2009, 02:34 AM

Yeah, my wife used to work for a temp agency and no way in hell would I ever do that. She *hated* it.

Sorry if I came off as bitter in my earlier post...baaaaad week for me. But seriously, I;m not some n00b straight out of high school. I have a copy of contract, read it, I've been a sorter for almost 4 years, and will probably sign the driver list soon. Thing was I used to double shift a lot, I mean a LOT, and essentially it was practically a full time job. OF course, now no double shifts anymore.

Ahh well, I'm on my vacation now

UpstateNYUPSer · 07-04-2009, 03:48 AM

[QUOTE=upsguy72;557667]Before I work at UPS I worked in a paper mill making almost $20.00 hr and working 48 hrs a week but getting paid for 60. However the mill closed and I had to get two jobs. [ /QUOTE]

Was this mill owned by the UAW?

upsguy72 · 07-04-2009, 06:27 AM

[quote=UpstateNYUPSer;557787]

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Originally Posted by upsguy72

Before I work at UPS I worked in a paper mill making almost $20.00 hr and working 48 hrs a week but getting paid for 60. However the mill closed and I had to get two jobs. [ /QUOTE]

Was this mill owned by the UAW?

LOL no steel workers but when your in the Union Saturday is time and half and Sunday is double time

herbigharo32 · 07-05-2009, 12:45 AM

Last week, I offered to help on twilight and was told that we are only allowed to work extra shifts during Xmas time. I don't understand the silly rules. Working extra shifts would be in violation of contract only if you bump another employee with higher seniority. If the shift was short handed, risk of bumping another employee with seniority high or low was non existent.

labels_up · 07-05-2009, 02:10 AM

IIRC, the contract says "double shifters have seniority among themselves" a.k.a. if you are a double shifter your seniority is only relevant when compared to other double shifters, not people who actually work the shift on twilight. If they have another double shifter with less seniority working, or a supervisor working, (our local supplement to the contract says supervisors can only perform bargaining unit work if there are no double shifters and they have called everyone on the extra work bid list) then you could take issue.