must ask permission to go to the restroom - Page 3 - Brown Cafe

Sleeve_meet_Heart · 07-02-2009, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tieguy

we sometimes forget that an important part of taking care of the customer is controlling cost.

You could also make the argument that the sort may not be making its service committments to get everything moved and processed on time if they have people constantly in the bathroom or break room instead of doing thier jobs.

With all of the supervisors sneaking around (and not-so sometimes) doing union work, it all evens out now doesn't it?

tieguy · 07-03-2009, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Sleeve_meet_Heart

With all of the supervisors sneaking around (and not-so sometimes) doing union work, it all evens out now doesn't it?

I'm not sure what it has to do with this issue. But to address your point if you could stop the clock when you see that supervisor working you could probably find someone standing around with thier thumb up their rear.

Back on topic. There is a reason this young supervisor is raising hell about bathroom and break room breaks. He didn't wake up that morning and decide everything else is perfect and its time to eliminate bathroom breaks.

On this site we can get all dramatic and act offended that the supervisor would even tackle such an issue. But again there is a reason for it and it sounds like some or all of the workers in that depot is doing a little too much screwing off.

City Driver · 07-03-2009, 08:26 AM

they should put a water cooler out on the dock, and if they are that concerned about the restroom then they should put a restroom out there too.....the restroom is on the other side of the building almost

Just Numbers · 07-03-2009, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by FedEX 4 Life

and u guys are union?

Don't feed the troll!

BLACKBOX · 07-03-2009, 05:54 PM

I would challenge him and use the bathroom when you needed to. If he wants to discipline you,let him. Grieve it, if you lose and get fired sue UPS. Do you think UPS would want a story like this to go public? They would get rid of that power happy greenhorn before they let you go.

SKAGITDRIVER · 07-03-2009, 08:11 PM

bottom line you can not deny someone the use of the bathroom if the supervisor is not present tell a co-worker and go use the bathroom, as far as a water break management is on us about staying hydrated shouldnt be a problem there either bring a water bottle and fill it on your break

orangputeh · 07-03-2009, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by City Driver

honestly if your on the dock or in the yard and you only have to piss, the best thing to do is just piss between 2 trailers that way u dont have to walk all the way to the bathroom

overnite didnt even care when we did that, its 10x quicker and your just pissing on concrete

you should go into management.

KidUPS · 07-03-2009, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by over9five

I agree with informing the sup you will be in the restroom.

But asking permission implies that the sup is able to deny the request. That's where there is a problem.

I have to believe that any problem of people abusing restroom use has to be very few and far between. Perhaps these employees need to be spoken to privately instead of beginning a ridiculous policy.

That has mess written all over if. If this employee is abusing his right to use the restroom, then more then likely he is not afraid to stir up trouble making accusations. Address the work group in PCM. Follow up again to include employees who were absent. Then if it occurs again, follow individually with witnesses.

City Driver · 07-03-2009, 11:29 PM

i honestly dont see the big deal about pissing between the trailers

its not like the concrete of the yard right underneath the dock gets alot of foot traffic, if any....why would somebody be walking there? i never do...open and close swing doors after you pull straight out past the trailers next to it.....and it dries its not like theres 50 years of overnite piss floating under our dock

and when im in the yard jockeying ill go in the grass in the corner of the yard

herbigharo32 · 07-03-2009, 11:34 PM

It is considered most considerate to let your coworker know that you will be away for a short time. When working with someone, I let them know that I will be away by saying "I'm taking a 5". As far as a supervisor denying use of restroom or water, inform the supervisor that doing so is in violation of both OSHA and UPS protocols. Bottom line, if a worker passes out due to heat exhaustion and requires medical attention, the entire facility will get dinged on injury resulting from safety violation.

KidUPS · 07-03-2009, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BLACKBOX

I would challenge him and use the bathroom when you needed to. If he wants to discipline you,let him. Grieve it, if you lose and get fired sue UPS. Do you think UPS would want a story like this to go public? They would get rid of that power happy greenhorn before they let you go.

If Supervisor is present at all times during the operation...and he directs the work group numerous times to inform him before leaving to the restroom (And has this PCM documented or even done in front of a steward)...and you walk right past him one night while his back is turned burdening all the problems of his employees, operation, customers and bosses...Well, you better believe if this supervisor is worth his salt, you will have some documentation headed your way. It maybe be progressive discipline. Or maybe something along the lines of failing to work as directed...Either or, I doubt UPS would be worried much about you suing the company.

Management cannot tell you yes or no in regards to using the bathroom. I believe that has already been established. And you would of known that had you took the time to read. Management, however, can monitor the length of time and amount of time used for restroom breaks. And in that case, the employee better be prepared to retrieve a doctors note.

Like Tie Guy mention, its pretty clear to me that the supervisor is trying to prevent certain employees from taking advantage of the entire work group. Unfortunately for the supervisor, having the courage to try and make things fair for everyone (Company/Union Employees), he is probably being targeted and labeled a overzealous supervisor by his work group (And I am sure he is probably being called worse things then that.)

UpstateNYUPSer · 07-04-2009, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by City Driver

i honestly dont see the big deal about pissing between the trailers

its not like the concrete of the yard right underneath the dock gets alot of foot traffic, if any....why would somebody be walking there? i never do...open and close swing doors after you pull straight out past the trailers next to it.....and it dries its not like theres 50 years of overnite piss floating under our dock

and when im in the yard jockeying ill go in the grass in the corner of the yard

I cannot believe that you are justifying public urination?! Even people without indoor plumbing have the decency to use the outhouse.

JimJimmyJames · 07-04-2009, 05:39 AM

If you urinate between trailers on the ground side of Big Brown, I can almost guarantee someone is going to walk in it.

That is, if that person is using proper coupling methods and walking the length of the trailer announcing to all concerned that they are about to hook up.

over9five · 07-04-2009, 07:29 AM

How 'bout the next guy or gal who uses the shifter? You just peed outside, didn't wash your hands, and now someone else has to touch that steering wheel.

Yuck!

City Driver · 07-04-2009, 10:05 AM

i always wear gloves

tourists24 · 07-04-2009, 10:45 AM

is there something wrong with the restrooms where you are? you cant be that lazy as to not walk to a bathroom to take a leak.

bluehdmc · 07-04-2009, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by tourists24

is there something wrong with the restrooms where you are? you cant be that lazy as to not walk to a bathroom to take a leak.

At some hubs towards the end of a shift you might not want to walk into the restrooms.

City Driver · 07-04-2009, 04:42 PM

yes actually our bathroom is disgusting, mainly trashed by disrespectful dockworkers and drivers....you dont even wanna know some of the things i seen in there

jennie · 07-05-2009, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by City Driver

yes actually our bathroom is disgusting, mainly trashed by disrespectful dockworkers and drivers....you dont even wanna know some of the things i seen in there

I know, so bad, all the money they have too and the women's bathroom is terrible.
"Always remember, before you sit, look to see if there is t-paper,

tieguy · 07-05-2009, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by City Driver

i always wear gloves

excuse me for being ignorant but your use gloves? you either have a seperate set of gloves for peeing or you run the risk of getting grease on your equipment if you use your normal gloves?

soberups · 07-05-2009, 09:30 AM

A warehouse I deliver to was having a similar problem with "excessive" time being taken by its employees for bathroom breaks. The restroom was on the other end of the building, several minutes away.

Someone in management for that company had the bright idea to rent a porta-potti and place it near where these employees worked. The small expense of the porta-potti was far outweighed by the huge decrease in lost time by the employees.

Sometimes the best solutions for every one are also the simplest ones.

soberups · 07-05-2009, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by over9five

How 'bout the next guy or gal who uses the shifter? You just peed outside, didn't wash your hands, and now someone else has to touch that steering wheel.

Yuck!

If you know what you are doing, you can pee without touching your junk or getting any on your hands. Thats what those holes in the front of mens underwear are for.

filthpig · 07-05-2009, 09:37 AM

I had a supe who tried this crap once. Once. He told me to "take my bathroom breaks on break." I told him there wasn't a man walking who could tell me when I can and cannot go to the bathroom. That ended quickly.

soberups · 07-05-2009, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

I cannot believe that you are justifying public urination?! Even people without indoor plumbing have the decency to use the outhouse.

"Public" urination means you are whipping it out in broad daylight in front of everyone, and I will agree that isnt a decent thing to do.

There is a big difference between that, and a feeder driver or shifter walking back behind a trailer in a corner of the yard at night to take a quick leak.

If no one sees it or steps in it , who cares?

stevetheupsguy · 07-05-2009, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by City Driver

yes actually our bathroom is disgusting, mainly trashed by disrespectful dockworkers and drivers....you dont even wanna know some of the things i seen in there

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Originally Posted by soberups

"Public" urination means you are whipping it out in broad daylight in front of everyone, and I will agree that isnt a decent thing to do.

There is a big difference between that, and a feeder driver or shifter walking back behind a trailer in a corner of the yard at night to take a quick leak.

If no one sees it or steps in it , who cares?

THAT'S IT!!! Just because no one see's/steps in it at that moment doesn't mean the urine magically disappears. Rain doesn't wash it away either, it just spreads it along a little more. Come on now people, what are we becoming if we can't take the (paid) time to walk to a restroom and pee?

Does the same thing happen at your house's? You're mowing the lawn and get the urge to go. Do you say, there's a good spot over there, near my wife's rear tire? No one will see me. It won't eventually start smelling bad in that area. I guarantee you that if you all tell your wive's what you've been doing, they'd take exception to it, and ask you to stop.