must ask permission to go to the restroom

[fethrs]

Sorry to hear about your wife's loss Steve.

[stevetheupsguy]

Originally Posted by City Driver

i thought it was illegal to even drive a car with headphones on

It is, but driving a commercial vehicle is by far the greater of the 2 evils, or is it? I'm almost positive that there are laws against public urination, but that doesn't stop some people.

[stevetheupsguy]

Originally Posted by fethrs

Sorry to hear about your wife's loss Steve.

Thanks fethrs, he also lived quite a long life. 92 years young.

[MonavieLeaker]

Originally Posted by stevetheupsguy

It is, but driving a commercial vehicle is by far the greater of the 2 evils, or is it? I'm almost positive that there are laws against public urination, but that doesn't stop some people.

LMAO

[City Driver]

Originally Posted by stevetheupsguy

It is, but driving a commercial vehicle is by far the greater of the 2 evils, or is it? I'm almost positive that there are laws against public urination, but that doesn't stop some people.

our bathrooms look like this



and our yard looks like this



take your pic


by the way i wish i could get one of those new volvos

[dilligaf]

If I had to choose between that bathroom and the yard.................... sorry, I would have to choose the yard.

[City Driver]

our bathroom really is disgusting

[brownnblue]

Originally Posted by KidUPS

If Supervisor is present at all times during the operation...and he directs the work group numerous times to inform him before leaving to the restroom (And has this PCM documented or even done in front of a steward)...and you walk right past him one night while his back is turned burdening all the problems of his employees, operation, customers and bosses...Well, you better believe if this supervisor is worth his salt, you will have some documentation headed your way. It maybe be progressive discipline. Or maybe something along the lines of failing to work as directed...Either or, I doubt UPS would be worried much about you suing the company.

Management cannot tell you yes or no in regards to using the bathroom. I believe that has already been established. And you would of known that had you took the time to read. Management, however, can monitor the length of time and amount of time used for restroom breaks. And in that case, the employee better be prepared to retrieve a doctors note.

Like Tie Guy mention, its pretty clear to me that the supervisor is trying to prevent certain employees from taking advantage of the entire work group. Unfortunately for the supervisor, having the courage to try and make things fair for everyone (Company/Union Employees), he is probably being targeted and labeled a overzealous supervisor by his work group (And I am sure he is probably being called worse things then that.)

Apologies for not coming in or commenting sooner.....

For starters, is it really that clear that the supervisor is responding to being taken advantage of? I had the unfortunate dilemma of having to urinate after a PCM at the same time a former CM had the same urge. Eight minutes later, the Steward came up to me to inform me that the CM had told him that I had to "pee on my time, not the company's." This had nothing to do with fairness or courage, it had everything to do with power & disrespecting a worker. It might also be worth mentioning that this was the first time the CM had spoken to the steward about my "performance" during his tenure. So perhaps he most certainly did wake up and feel the need to gig me at this opportunity.

Secondly, exactly what is considered "appropriate total duration" of time in the restroom? (Given my knowledge of anatomy and physiology, I have a real difficult time calling it a "privilege") And does this time take into account the individuals circumstances. I get up early in the morning and exercise to keep my body in shape to deal with supervisors like Tie who give competent, industrious employees more work. These workouts require that I drink plenty of water early in the morning. I also have a particular diet which forces me to urinate more frequently. PCMs frequently revolve around health and hydration; you can't have it both ways.

Thirdly, exactly what, when, and why does an employee need a doctor's note for bathroom use? Many factors come into play here, such as age, weather, diet, stress, and fitness. And if an employee came in with a doctor's note for a medical condition that caused frequent restroom usage, like say for an enlarged prostate, does that employee run the risk of being "put on the radar"?

Fourth, if there is a problem in this area with one or a small percentage of workers in the group, what on earth is wrong with addressing only them? I would find a PCM on the subject of basic human functions disrespectful and degrading, not to mention a waste of my time. Sorry, I don't share your opinion that the supervisor is the "heroic victim" trying to make a fair workplace here.

[Sleeve_meet_Heart]

Originally Posted by dilligaf

If I had to choose between that bathroom and the yard.................... sorry, I would have to choose the yard.

look at all the puddles of pee in that yard though...

[dilligaf]

Originally Posted by Sleeve_meet_Heart

look at all the puddles of pee in that yard though...

LOL Kinda looks that way, but looks can be deceiving.

[UpstateNYUPSer]

City--I have to apologize--given the choice whether to use that restroom or go outside I would have to go outside.

[dilligaf]

Originally Posted by UpstateNYUPSer

City--I have to apologize--given the choice whether to use that restroom or go outside I would have to go outside.

[over9five]

I somehow doubt the restrooms are that bad.

[dilligaf]

Originally Posted by over9five

I somehow doubt the restrooms are that bad.

Well there is at least one that is that bad. And that one is disgusting.

[over9five]

I still don't believe it. Just cold water at the sinks? You guys can't possibly believe he snapped that picture at his barn. He googled "dirty restroom" so he'd have an excuse for his uncleanliness.

[Solidarity413]

Originally Posted by brownnblue

Apologies for not coming in or commenting sooner.....

For starters, is it really that clear that the supervisor is responding to being taken advantage of? I had the unfortunate dilemma of having to urinate after a PCM at the same time a former CM had the same urge. Eight minutes later, the Steward came up to me to inform me that the CM had told him that I had to "pee on my time, not the company's." This had nothing to do with fairness or courage, it had everything to do with power & disrespecting a worker. It might also be worth mentioning that this was the first time the CM had spoken to the steward about my "performance" during his tenure. So perhaps he most certainly did wake up and feel the need to gig me at this opportunity.

Secondly, exactly what is considered "appropriate total duration" of time in the restroom? (Given my knowledge of anatomy and physiology, I have a real difficult time calling it a "privilege") And does this time take into account the individuals circumstances. I get up early in the morning and exercise to keep my body in shape to deal with supervisors like Tie who give competent, industrious employees more work. These workouts require that I drink plenty of water early in the morning. I also have a particular diet which forces me to urinate more frequently. PCMs frequently revolve around health and hydration; you can't have it both ways.

Thirdly, exactly what, when, and why does an employee need a doctor's note for bathroom use? Many factors come into play here, such as age, weather, diet, stress, and fitness. And if an employee came in with a doctor's note for a medical condition that caused frequent restroom usage, like say for an enlarged prostate, does that employee run the risk of being "put on the radar"?

Fourth, if there is a problem in this area with one or a small percentage of workers in the group, what on earth is wrong with addressing only them? I would find a PCM on the subject of basic human functions disrespectful and degrading, not to mention a waste of my time. Sorry, I don't share your opinion that the supervisor is the "heroic victim" trying to make a fair workplace here.

Wow, nice post!

[pickup]

Originally Posted by dilligaf

I must say, that is my reaction as well, dilli. When I saw that apology, this ran through my mind:

Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

And the driver of the city and the inhabitor of the highlands of the new state of York shall break bread together.
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Okay! I added the last sentence(it sounds like out of nostradamus' writings)

[dilligaf]

Originally Posted by pickup

I must say, that is my reaction as well, dilli. When I saw that apology, this ran through my mind:

Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

And the driver of the city and the inhabitor of the highlands of the new state of York shall break bread together.
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Okay! I added the last sentence(it sounds like out of nostradamus' writings)

Upstate isn't a bad guy. IMPO It just takes time to get to know him.

[Sleeve_meet_Heart]

Originally Posted by over9five

I still don't believe it. Just cold water at the sinks? You guys can't possibly believe he snapped that picture at his barn. He googled "dirty restroom" so he'd have an excuse for his uncleanliness.

Interestingly, as you probably know, our restrooms only have cold water after 2am. They turn off hot water probably to save costs? All I know is when I leave at 3:30am there is no hot water to wash hands with, ever.

[pickup]

Originally Posted by dilligaf

Upstate isn't a bad guy. IMPO It just takes time to get to know him.

Oh, ,no, I never said he was. I always like his posts. Still laughing over "google work ethic." I can usually anticipate what his posts will be like. I didn't see that one coming.

[dilligaf]

Originally Posted by over9five

I still don't believe it. Just cold water at the sinks? You guys can't possibly believe he snapped that picture at his barn. He googled "dirty restroom" so he'd have an excuse for his uncleanliness.

Dear Over (you big lovable galoot),

City never claimed that the photo was of his bathroom. He just said that the pic was like his bathroom. If I had to choose between using the bathroom in the pic or going outside in the yard, I would go outside. If he did google with the intention of deceiving shame on him for doing so but we will probably never know.

[dilligaf]

Originally Posted by pickup

Oh, ,no, I never said he was. I always like his posts. Still laughing over "google work ethic." I can usually anticipate what his posts will be like. I didn't see that one coming.

I know P/U. I was just making a statement. I've always (or almost always) thought Upstate has a great sense of humor. There are a few who don't agree with my opinion. Imagine that. I quit trying to anticipate what Upstate is going to say. LMAO He usually surprises me.

[stevetheupsguy]

Originally Posted by City Driver

our bathrooms look like this

We're not talking about your house. BTW, that's still no excuse. Get your supe to notice the mess and get it fixed. I can't believe all of those that replied that they would pee outside in that spectacular yard. What a shame.

Originally Posted by over9five

I still don't believe it. Just cold water at the sinks? You guys can't possibly believe he snapped that picture at his barn. He googled "dirty restroom" so he'd have an excuse for his uncleanliness.

+1

[jennie]

Originally Posted by stevetheupsguy

We're not talking about your house. BTW, that's still no excuse. Get your supe to notice the mess and get it fixed. I can't believe all of those that replied that they would pee outside in that spectacular yard. What a shame.

+1

Is this a real picture, I just can't believe UPS would allow this? This is just CRAZY!

[stevetheupsguy]

Originally Posted by jennie

Is this a real picture, I just can't believe UPS would allow this? This is just CRAZY!

It's a real picture alright, of the urinals at City Driver's house.