Pay for Play....Ups vs FedEx dispute up for sale

[diesel96]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25072.html

Looks like our legislation dispute up to the highest bidder......somebody's palm has to be greased....dispicable...

[HEFFERNAN]

Mr. Fed-Ex saved so much money in the past by cheating the government, he should of had that change in the cup holder of his Bentley.

[trplnkl]

Kind of makes ya wonder if UPS got the service at a discount. I don't know if UPS hired this firm or not, but it's hard to believe that the ACU would support UPS for free.

[TheDick]

Originally Posted by trplnkl

Kind of makes ya wonder if UPS got the service at a discount. I don't know if UPS hired this firm or not, but it's hard to believe that the ACU would support UPS for free.

Free?! Never. You pay you play.
No tickie-no laundry.
Pretty slimy if you ask me

[trouble maker]

I wonder what the percentage of fedex employees along with fedex ground would actually vote a union in?

[dannyboy]

per that article, they already have a union

FedEx currently has one U.S. union contract for its entire express business. Under a change passed by the House and awaiting action in the Senate, FedEx — like UPS — would have to negotiate union contracts for individual locations, which FedEx claims would make it much more difficult to promise worldwide regularity for deliveries.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25072.html#ixzz0LWsdOoRG

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[JonFrum]

Originally Posted by diesel96

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25072.html

Looks like our legislation dispute up to the highest bidder......somebody's palm has to be greased....dispicable...

Diesel, I think you are misinterpreting the letter. It is not a shakedown attempt like The Rev. Jesse and his Rainbow/Push Coalition routinely runs against corporations. Jackson wants money, and if you don't pay, he and his organization will badmouth you. That's extortion.

The ACU or the other hand is offering an advertizing and mobilizing campaign. Mailings and radio ads cost a lot of money. Keene is offering to do the work, using his extensive list of contacts, if Fedex will foot the bill for postage and labor. That's just not sinister. It's a business proposition. Fedex would choose the extent of the campaign it wanted, and pay the quoted cost.

As to switching sides, I think anyone who supports Fedex in principle can still oppose its BrownBailout website, as the site inaccurately accuses UPS of seeking a "bailout."

[diesel96]

Originally Posted by JonFrum

Diesel, I think you are misinterpreting the letter. It is not a shakedown attempt like The Rev. Jesse and his Rainbow/Push Coalition routinely runs against corporations. Jackson wants money, and if you don't pay, he and his organization will badmouth you. That's extortion.

The ACU or the other hand is offering an advertizing and mobilizing campaign. Mailings and radio ads cost a lot of money. Keene is offering to do the work, using his extensive list of contacts, if Fedex will foot the bill for postage and labor. That's just not sinister. It's a business proposition. Fedex would choose the extent of the campaign it wanted, and pay the quoted cost.

As to switching sides, I think anyone who supports Fedex in principle can still oppose its BrownBailout website, as the site inaccurately accuses UPS of seeking a "bailout."

The palms being greased in this scenario are the special interest groups...
“pay for play” exposes the practice by some political interest groups of taking stands not for reasons of pure principle, as their members and supporters might assume, but because a sponsor is paying big money. Take a shot at Rev Jackson if you will, but I bet he takes a stand on principles more than special interest groups such as the American Conservative Union displays it's availibility to be swayed with greenbacks....I'm sure this behavior goes on with many political special interest and lobbiest groups on both sides, but the legislation feud between UPS and FedEx intensifies the exposure of this practise. The ACU has done a complete 180, from backing FedEx Chairman Fred Smith, a champion of capitalism who in the past has been a favorite of conservatives, to UPS for a price tag of $2 million.....that kind of chump change can be found between the seats of Fred Smith's Bentley....

[MrFedEx]

Originally Posted by FedEX 4 Life

way to go Fred!Give em hell!Our ideals cant be bought.UPS on the other hand......

You act like Smith and FedEx are both the epitome of ethics and morality, which they most certainly or not. As long as Fred has articulate defenders like you he has nothing to worry about. In other words, he should be extremely concerned.

[big_arrow_up]

Good article about the dispute.

http://www.teamster.org/content/hoff...major-loophole

[upsgrunt]

Originally Posted by FedEX 4 Life

Go get a job at UPS and stop bothering me.

Go do your job at FedEx and stop bothering us!

[Sleeve_meet_Heart]

Originally Posted by big_arrow_up

Good article about the dispute.

http://www.teamster.org/content/hoff...major-loophole

That is a very good article and I had not seen the "actual" numbers for FedEx employment classification.

7,700 Fix or fly planes.
90,000 non-management do the driving, loading, and misc work.

I think that is the bottom line right there.

[tieguy]

Another phase in an ugly campaign by fdx as they disintegrate into the gutter.

Fdx started the brown.bailout campaign. They've been getting some heat in the press for misrepresenting the RLA bill as a bailout and today I saw a letter from a senator to fred smith admonishing him for misrepresenting the bill as a bail out.

This new leak is yet another misrepresentation. The ACU offered a specific marketing service. Fred again is misrepresenting it as if it were some type of shake down for support.

Fred had a chance to utilize this service and do some marketing that would have certainly been much more positive then the brownbailout egg he laid.

I'm enjoying these events since they can only help ups in the long run.

[FHD-P&Dmanager]

Hardly a good article, more like a biased bash by Hoffa looking to expand his reach and power by adding more suckers(union members) to line his pockets.

Originally Posted by big_arrow_up

Good article about the dispute.

http://www.teamster.org/content/hoff...major-loophole

[scratch]

Originally Posted by FHD-P&Dmanager

Hardly a good article, more like a biased bash by Fred Smith looking to expand his reach and power by adding more suckers(non union members) to line his pockets.

There, I fixed it for you. And you are a Fedex Home Delivery manager? Enough said.

[MrFedEx]

Originally Posted by FedEX 4 Life

Go get a job at UPS and stop bothering me.

Your Fearless Leader just said in an interview that "FedEx drivers make more than UPS drivers" among other huge lies. If I were 21 years old again I'd stay away from this industry completely, but if I had to throw boxes, I would do it for UPS, not FedEx.

What "bothers" you is that we know you don't even work for FedEx and that I (and others) have repeatedly called you out. Come on out of the troll closet and tell us your true orientation. Sorry, but nobody who really worked for FedEx could be as clueless as you are about so many aspects of the company.

[MrFedEx]

Originally Posted by tieguy

Another phase in an ugly campaign by fdx as they disintegrate into the gutter.

Fdx started the brown.bailout campaign. They've been getting some heat in the press for misrepresenting the RLA bill as a bailout and today I saw a letter from a senator to fred smith admonishing him for misrepresenting the bill as a bail out.

This new leak is yet another misrepresentation. The ACU offered a specific marketing service. Fred again is misrepresenting it as if it were some type of shake down for support.

Fred had a chance to utilize this service and do some marketing that would have certainly been much more positive then the brownbailout egg he laid.

I'm enjoying these events since they can only help ups in the long run.

Well stated. Smith is an expert at twisting the truth to meet his needs. I'm enjoying these events as well, not because it helps UPS, but because it helps expose Fred for the unethical crybaby he really is.

The Wallop letter is especially damaging, because even Conservatives are starting to become angry at the way Smith has mis-represented the facts.

[FedEx courier]

Originally Posted by FedEX 4 Life

way to go Fred!Give em hell!Our ideals cant be bought.UPS on the other hand......

What exactly are the "ideals" that you are referring to? It seems that Mr. Smith has bought every loophole that the company has. Hasn't it been proven over and over again that you aren't really a Fedex courier? I used to think that you may be an operations manager, but you don't really know enough about operations for that to be true. So now I think that you are probably a sales rep or a low level PR person for Fedex. If you have any ideals you should be honest about what you are and not pose as someone in a different position than you hold.

[BLACKBOX]

Whoa...slings and arrows by fellow FDX employees on a BC website...weird!

[Sleeve_meet_Heart]

Originally Posted by FedEx courier

What exactly are the "ideals" that you are referring to? It seems that Mr. Smith has bought every loophole that the company has. Hasn't it been proven over and over again that you aren't really a Fedex courier? I used to think that you may be an operations manager, but you don't really know enough about operations for that to be true. So now I think that you are probably a sales rep or a low level PR person for Fedex. If you have any ideals you should be honest about what you are and not pose as someone in a different position than you hold.

FedEx 4 life = plant set forth by FedEx.

Much like the posts on brownfailout.com by "upsers" are not actually upsers, they are FedEx people posing as UPSers trying to make us look bad.

Much the same way as scam websites selling services that have fake forums or blogs on their products or services that only have positive responses to lure people into pulling their wallets out.

Sad, sad campaign.

[tieguy]

Originally Posted by Sleeve_meet_Heart

FedEx 4 life = plant set forth by FedEx.

Much like the posts on brownfailout.com by "upsers" are not actually upsers, they are FedEx people posing as UPSers trying to make us look bad.

Much the same way as scam websites selling services that have fake forums or blogs on their products or services that only have positive responses to lure people into pulling their wallets out.

Sad, sad campaign.

It is that. Its really odd for a major corporation to run such a grade school publicity campaign.

[dannyboy]

At 2 a.m. in Memphis, where FedEx is headquartered, the airport is humming as FedEx sorts and dispatches many of the 3.4 million packages -- 10 million pounds of freight -- it ships daily, mostly with its fleet of 654 aircraft. Eighty-five percent of FedEx packages go by air; 85 percent of UPS's go only by truck. This matters because:

In 1936, airlines were brought under the RLA. FedEx, which began as an air freight company and created the modern express business, is precisely the sort of integrated system for which the RLA was written. This matters: 53 percent of all U.S. exports by value travel by air, and virtually all priority and express U.S. mail is carried by FedEx.

In 1981, UPS began air services, and in the 1990s it tried, legislatively and judicially, to be put under the RLA. In 1993 UPS said all of its operations, "including ground operations," are properly subject to the RLA "because the ground operations are part of the air service." FedEx supportedUPS's efforts, even though the vast majority of UPS parcels never go on an airplane, whereas FedEx's trucking operations exist to feed its air fleet and distribute what it carries.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...071502498.html

The preceding excerpts are from the Smith public relations machine. And I am sure Mr Will got nothing in return for his support of this advertisement that is supposed to be passed off as an OP ED piece.

I do find it interesting that "This matters: 53 percent of all U.S. exports by value travel by air, and virtually all priority and express U.S. mail is carried by FedEx." and the "FedEx supportedUPS's efforts" to fall under the RLA.

Nothing like mouthpieces to write propaganda for you.

Smith is in the corner, and he knows it. And like the nice guy he is, he is willing to do anything to keep the situation like it is.

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[705red]

Originally Posted by dannyboy

At 2 a.m. in Memphis, where FedEx is headquartered, the airport is humming as FedEx sorts and dispatches many of the 3.4 million packages -- 10 million pounds of freight -- it ships daily, mostly with its fleet of 654 aircraft. Eighty-five percent of FedEx packages go by air; 85 percent of UPS's go only by truck. This matters because:

In 1936, airlines were brought under the RLA. FedEx, which began as an air freight company and created the modern express business, is precisely the sort of integrated system for which the RLA was written. This matters: 53 percent of all U.S. exports by value travel by air, and virtually all priority and express U.S. mail is carried by FedEx.

In 1981, UPS began air services, and in the 1990s it tried, legislatively and judicially, to be put under the RLA. In 1993 UPS said all of its operations, "including ground operations," are properly subject to the RLA "because the ground operations are part of the air service." FedEx supportedUPS's efforts, even though the vast majority of UPS parcels never go on an airplane, whereas FedEx's trucking operations exist to feed its air fleet and distribute what it carries.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...071502498.html

The preceding excerpts are from the Smith public relations machine. And I am sure Mr Will got nothing in return for his support of this advertisement that is supposed to be passed off as an OP ED piece.

I do find it interesting that "This matters: 53 percent of all U.S. exports by value travel by air, and virtually all priority and express U.S. mail is carried by FedEx." and the "FedEx supportedUPS's efforts" to fall under the RLA.

Nothing like mouthpieces to write propaganda for you.

Smith is in the corner, and he knows it. And like the nice guy he is, he is willing to do anything to keep the situation like it is.

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Everyone here should reply in an email to George Will who wrote this article and ask him to stick to the facts. I hace already responded myself.

Heres his email link.

georgewill@washpost.com

[tieguy]

I sent my email. Georges article looks likes he wrote a press release for Fred Smith.

[Sleeve_meet_Heart]

some real biting commentary on that comments page I have really nothing to add so no point of emailing.